Elohim; has two essences – male and female

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YHVH and Spirit cannot be the Personal Name of God (Elohim)

““I am Jehovah. That is my name;”–Is 42:8

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Hi David, Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (In The AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever. Isaiah 28:11: For with stammering lips and another tongue(That is English) will he speak to this people. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

Maybe this might make it easier to understand if I put the two words in this order:

RuachElohim
YHVHElohim

Translated they are:

Elohim's Ruach
Elohim's YHVH

With no theology or explanations.  

Linguistically Ruach and YHVH are not names.
Linguistically Ruach and YHVH are objects.
Linguistically Elohim is the owner (of YHVH and Ruach).

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Quote YHVH and Spirit cannot be the Personal Name of God (Elohim) ““I am Jehovah. That is my name;”–Is 42:8

Super,

I am David, that is my name! David 1:1

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I posted '”TWO WORDS” from Gen 1:2 and Gen 2:4 and no one has taken notice or understood. Gen 1:2 RuachElohim Gen 2:4 YHVHElohim I ask that you please talk only about these two words in Gen 1:2 and Gen 2:4 and not about concepts elsewhere: We know that “Elohim” above….is “God”. “Ruach” is not Elohim; but is a part of Elohim “YHVH” is not Elohim; but is a part of Elohim Thus the translators translated Gen 1:2 as Spirit of God. If we were to translate consistently Gen 2:4 should be YHVH of God.

21 times in Genesis, we find “Jehovah God” or “YHVH Elohim.” (11 of those times are in Genesis 2)

The Bible makes clear that “Jehovah is God” (Psalm 100:3)
It's also true that “God is a spirit” (John) Let's not confuse that with the fact that God is a spirit and he also has a force that he uses, and possesses which is also referred to as his spirit or “God's holy spirit.”

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Quote (david @ July 30 2010,23:29) Quote YHVH and Spirit cannot be the Personal Name of God (Elohim) ““I am Jehovah. That is my name;”–Is 42:8 Super, I am David, that is my name!  David 1:1

If that is true, would it be logical for me to say that David cannot be the personal name of you.

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Gen 1:27 God (Elohim) created man in God's image; male and female….if God were not male AND female God could have created humans only male.

I consider this scripture to be one of the most misunderstood on here.

Is it possible, that what is meant is that, unlike the animals, God created us in his image, we being able to reflect godly attributes, love, mercy, kindness, goodness, patience, etc.

Why does God choose be called “Father”?

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Maybe this might make it easier to understand if I put the two words in this order: RuachElohim YHVHElohim Translated they are: Elohim's Ruach Elohim's YHVH

Why does it have to be translated “God Jehovah” Could it not be “Jehovah God” (YHVHElohim)

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Linguistically Ruach and YHVH are not names.

““I am [YHVH]. That is my name;”–Is 42:8

[david]

On a lighter note, it is EloHIM, not EloHER.

Case closed.:)

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Gen 1:2 says ורוח אלהים Spirit Elohim; but is translated God's Spirit Gen 2:4 says יהוה אלהים YHVH Elohim; and is translated LORD God. Why not translate in like manner and say God's YHVH?

Hi David,
Maybe you have things backwards. Why not ask the opposite question: “Why not translate in like manner and say “the spirit, God” ?

If you don't like that “of” being in there, as in the spirit of God, why not translate it as it is: “and the spirit, God, was moving…”

“God is a spirit” after all, as the Bible says.

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If you put together Spirit Elohim and translate it as God's Spirit you'll see that Spirit is a part of Elohim. Then put together YHVH Elohim and translate it as God's YHVH you will see that YHVH is NOT a name, but a part of Elohim, just like Spirit.

The problem is, the rest of the scriptures.
We do have many cases where Jehovah's spirit is used possesively…it is his finger, his arm, it is something he possesses and something he uses. There are many scriptures that say “his spirit” or “God's holy spirit” or things like that. And there are many scriptures that say “YHVH Elohim” or “Jehovah God.”
There are also scriptures that indicate that YHVH is God's name, as as “Jehovah is my name.”

I think that just because in one case many translations translate “spirit Elohim” as “God's spirit” or “spirit [of] God” that this justifies inserting an “of” between Jehovah God, since other evidence points to the contrary. You perhaps should be arguing that “spirit God” should not have an “of” in between it.

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However Spirit and YHVH are objects “of” Elohim….and cannot be names.

And yet, YHVH appears to be God's name.

“I am Jehovah. That is my name;” (Is 42:8)
“Jehovah of armies being his name…” (Is 54:5)
“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” (Ps 83:18, King James)

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Quote Gen 1:27 God (Elohim) created man in God's image; male and female….if God were not male AND female God could have created humans only male. I consider this scripture to be one of the most misunderstood on here. Is it possible, that what is meant is that, unlike the animals, God created us in his image, we being able to reflect godly attributes, love, mercy, kindness, goodness, patience, etc. Why does God choose be called “Father”?

Hi David,

Great name!

Gen 1:26  Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

The attributes that you point out are probably referring to the “likeness” aspect of v.26 whereas the “image” is specifically pointing to Elohim's attribute of being male and female. Notice how the word “image” is repeated twice, in order that you don't try to apply God's likeness as God's image.

As someone else pointed out in another thread that in order for man to rule God had to give Him abilities to show wisdom, knowledge and understanding, compassion, love, etc, which is in God's likeness.

Father is the male essence of EloHim.  Mother is the female essence of EloHer.  Loved that by the way……

Gen 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2010,19:36) Hi David, Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (In The AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever. Isaiah 28:11: For with stammering lips and another tongue(That is English) will he speak to this people. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, Maybe this might make it easier to understand if I put the two words in this order: RuachElohim YHVHElohim Translated they are: Elohim's Ruach Elohim's YHVH With no theology or explanations.   Linguistically Ruach and YHVH are not names. Linguistically Ruach and YHVH are objects. Linguistically Elohim is the owner (of YHVH and Ruach).

Hi David,

Using “Theomatics” also called Gematria clearly shows their connection.

Ruach Eloheem in English is: “Spirit of God”=117
YHVH HaEloheem in Hebrew is: 117=”יהוה האלהים“

God bless
Ed J

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Quote (david @ July 30 2010,15:36)

Quote I posted '”TWO WORDS” from Gen 1:2 and Gen 2:4 and no one has taken notice or understood. Gen 1:2  RuachElohim Gen 2:4 YHVHElohim I ask that you please talk only about these two words in Gen 1:2 and Gen 2:4 and not about concepts elsewhere: We know that “Elohim” above….is “God”. “Ruach” is not Elohim; but is a part of Elohim “YHVH” is not Elohim; but is a part of Elohim Thus the translators translated Gen 1:2 as Spirit of God. If we were to translate consistently Gen 2:4 should be YHVH of God. 21 times in Genesis, we find “Jehovah God” or “YHVH Elohim.”  (11 of those times are in Genesis 2) The Bible makes clear that “Jehovah is God” (Psalm 100:3) It's also true that “God is a spirit” (John)  Let's not confuse that with the fact that God is a spirit and he also has a force that he uses, and possesses which is also referred to as his spirit or “God's holy spirit.”

Hi David,

                   Yes indeed: “YHVH is God”=117!

                            “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], and
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote (davidbfun @ July 30 2010,15:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2010,19:36) Hi David, Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (In The AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever. Isaiah 28:11: For with stammering lips and another tongue(That is English) will he speak to this people. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, Maybe this might make it easier to understand if I put the two words in this order: RuachElohim YHVHElohim Translated they are: Elohim's Ruach Elohim's YHVH With no theology or explanations.   Linguistically Ruach and YHVH are not names. Linguistically Ruach and YHVH are objects. Linguistically Elohim is the owner (of YHVH and Ruach). Hi David, Using “Theomatics” also called Gematria clearly shows their connection. Ruach Eloheem in English is: “Spirit of God”=117 YHVH HaEloheem in Hebrew is: 117=”יהוה האלהים“ God bless Ed J

Hi Ed,

It is interesting that you spell things differently like YHVH HaEloheem (double ee instead of i; and added Ha in front). I would like to see the verse where this comes from to see the context….This verse might be saying YHVH of Elohim.

Gen 2:4 was only YHVHElohim.

I thought David's EloHim and EloHer was quite clever,,,didn't you?

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Quote However Spirit and YHVH are objects “of” Elohim….and cannot be names. And yet, YHVH appears to be God's name. “I am Jehovah. That is my name;” (Is 42:8) “Jehovah of armies being his name…” (Is 54:5) “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” (Ps 83:18, King James)

Is 54:5 “For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts;

Who is the wife?

As usual you ask to stay in two verses and we get buck shot all over the place.

My comment was referring to the words in Gen 1:2 and 2:4 and the structure of those words…..not looking for a debate on who YHVH is.

[Ed J]

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Quote (Ed J @ July 31 2010,00:43) Quote (davidbfun @ July 30 2010,15:33) Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2010,19:36) Hi David, Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them (In The AKJV Bible) from this generation for ever. Isaiah 28:11: For with stammering lips and another tongue(That is English) will he speak to this people. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, Maybe this might make it easier to understand if I put the two words in this order: RuachElohim YHVHElohim Translated they are: Elohim's Ruach Elohim's YHVH With no theology or explanations.   Linguistically Ruach and YHVH are not names. Linguistically Ruach and YHVH are objects. Linguistically Elohim is the owner (of YHVH and Ruach). Hi David, Using “Theomatics” also called Gematria clearly shows their connection. Ruach Eloheem in English is: “Spirit of God”=117 YHVH HaEloheem in Hebrew is: 117=”יהוה האלהים“ God bless Ed J Hi Ed, It is interesting that you spell things differently like YHVH HaEloheem (double ee instead of i; and added Ha in front).  I would like to see the verse where this comes from to see the context….This verse might be saying YHVH of Elohim. Gen 2:4 was only YHVHElohim. I thought David's EloHim and EloHer was quite clever,,,didn't you?

Hi David,

ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 and “YHVH”=63 Click Here

In Hebrew it's: (יהוה ה אלהים) YHVH The Eloheem,
which is translated into English as JEHOVAH GOD!

Also there is no word for “OF” in neither The Hebrew nor The Greek.
That is why it usually isn't usually counted in English=74 Gematria=74.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

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Is 54:5 “For your husband is your Maker, Whose name is the LORD of hosts;

Hi David,

The family of God…
YHVH GOD is One=151 (Deut.6:4 / Eph.4:6)

The LORD JEHOVAH=151 (Isaiah 12:2, 26:4)
LORD of Hosts=151 (AKJV Bible)
Jesus Christ=151 (New Testament)
Holy Spirit=151 (Old & New Testament)

And even… Jesus is Lord=151 (On Church Billboards)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Quote However Spirit and YHVH are objects “of” Elohim….and cannot be names. And yet, YHVH appears to be God's name. “I am Jehovah. That is my name;” (Is 42:8) “Jehovah of armies being his name…” (Is 54:5) “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” (Ps 83:18, King James)

You are wrong….his name is “Jealous”.

Ex 34:14 —for you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God—

Can't make up His mind.

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God's image = male, female

What does it mean to you that Jesus is the image of the invisible God?

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