Elohim; has two essences – male and female

[davidbfun]

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Quote (davidbfun @ July 06 2010,03:07) Eloh = goddess (noun, fem)(root) im = suffix (masc, plural) From this Hebrew word we can see that God (Elohim)   consists of two essences, male and female.  If God were only male the Hebrew word is El = God (noun, masc).   Gen 1:27 God (Elohim) created man in God's image; male and female….if God were not male AND female God could have created humans only male. Holy Spirit = Ruach HaKodesh (noun, fem) YHWH = LORD (noun, masc)(Title not a Name) Elohim = two together (One = yachid; 'Echad; united) Jesus is the “son of God” and Jesus talked about his Father but it appears that no one thinks about his Mother who begat him (Holy Spirit). We, humans, are only copies of the things of Heaven and were created in God's likeness and image and the Bible says that we are created in God's image male and female; therefore God must have these two essences also.   God walked among men in the Old Testament but also sends His Spirit  onto men showing that God has a body and spirit; just as we do.  Our bodies will die but our spirits will live on eternally. God's likeness = body, spirit God's image = male, female David : )   You need to understand what is meant by “image”. Speaking of Jesus. Col 1:15   Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:   What was the “image” Jesus was created in? “spirit”, invisible. Man was not created in that same image, man is not spirit. Besides “being” spirit, invisible; God has a spirit/mind, and so do we; that is the image God created us in, it enables us to communicate with God.

Hi Irene,

This is a quote from a wise sage concerning image:

I use to teach a computer course and on the last day we (me & the students) went to the pub. I got into a conversation about God with one of the students and he said that God didn't exist. Knowing that design speaks clearly of a designer I went into the fact that we can see that creation is full of mathematics and laws and we only need to ask who was responsible for that. We see DNA code, elements, atomic structures etc. All these can be expressed mathematically and this surely shows a creator or at least a brilliant coder if we want to understate this. I then used an example of cyberspace and how every part of cyberspace was created. Of course he was well aware of that because we created all kinds of stuff in cyberspace in the course. I said to him that we do not for example see web pages creating themselves or AIs evolving. No, every step of the way we see creation from creators. Even programs (viruses) that can write themselves or mutate still needed a creator originally and that mutation is written into the code by the creator.

I then explained to him that it seems more reasonable to think that cyberspace could create itself with no creator than real space creating itself. As real space is far more complex and the odds much greater if we blindly think that it all came about by chance and randomness. Even a simple web page is really just a bunch of code that appears as an image. But would we not be considered mad, if we beleived that cyberspace came about by itself?

I thought about this later and made some observations:

God made man in his 'image'.
Man makes things in his image (like AI). What man makes in his created space is called 'virtual'.
In other words God's virtual reality is our reality. He created us and the earth as image types of himself and heaven. Even water is an image of the water of life. When we make worlds using a computer it is said to be virtual. If you take an original and reflect it, you have an image. If you reflect the 'image' you have 'virtual' which is an image of the image. Or to put it another way a simulation of the simulation. Even what we call reality is created and is a simulation of the real, that is Heaven. The point about all this rambling I suppose is that just as virtual cannot create itself, images cannot create themselves either. Our whole universe including us were created/programmed. The design speaks so loudly that we cannot ignore that it was created.

[david]

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The information is clear: God's image = male and female We are created in God's image, male and female.

DBF, do you see how these are saying two very different things:

1. “God's image = male and female.”

2. “We are created in God's image, male and female.”

1 Implies that God's very image is “male and female.” It's as if you are picturing some 2 headed statue made up of those two things.

2 Implies that both male and female are created in God's image.

#2 is what the Bible actually says. #1 is what you seem to keep repeating. They convey different ideas, at least, for the way I'm reading #1.

[david]

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Now a different word; Elohim: (from the Kabbalah, Jewish Mysticism)

DBF, why is it that when I tried to find “Eloh” it basically didn't exist, except for several websites that all seemed to focus on the occult?

I just can't find any information on that word.

[davidbfun]

Quote (david @ Aug. 06 2010,01:55)

Quote Now a different word; Elohim: (from the Kabbalah, Jewish Mysticism) DBF, why is it that when I tried to find “Eloh” it basically didn't exist, except for several websites that all seemed to focus on the occult? I just can't find any information on that word.

Hello David,

It is unfortunate that I don't know how to put Hebrew letters here and it could possibly show better.

The root word for God is 'L the ' is the first letter of the alphabet Aleph and has no sound.  We write the word as “El”. The 3rd letter is “H” which is a feminine ending to God making this word 'LH or Eloh.  That is why you won't find it because it would be listed under the basic root of 'L (El).  

If you want to look it up in the Hebrew dictionary you would have to add the Y after the H to make Elohi and then you should get goddess.  The “m” is the suffix meaning masculine plural.

Some people write Elohim as Elohiym…transliterating it would be 'LHYM.

There is another word that is similar in appearance in English but adds a letter W  and you might see it at times written Eloah or Elowah and is used for false gods. Please don't get mixed up with that one….lol  for if you do you might end up in the occult.

Hope this helps.

The Professor

[davidbfun]

Quote (david @ Aug. 06 2010,01:53)

Quote The information is clear: God's image = male and female We are created in God's image, male and female.   DBF, do you see how these are saying two very different things: 1. “God's image = male and female.” 2. “We are created in God's image, male and female.” 1 Implies that God's very image is “male and female.”  It's as if you are picturing some 2 headed statue made up of those two things. 2 Implies that both male and female are created in God's image. #2 is what the Bible actually says.  #1 is what you seem to keep repeating.  They convey different ideas, at least, for the way I'm reading #1.

Hello David,

I will leave the Bible quote by itself as you appear to want to argue needlessly. Apparently you didn't read what my post was in response to: “image”. I didn't want to engage arguing about the “meaning” of “image”; physical, spiritual or whatever……

So here it is, argue with the Bible:

Gen 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

The Professor

[davidbfun]

Quote (david @ Aug. 06 2010,01:53)

Quote The information is clear: God's image = male and female We are created in God's image, male and female.   DBF, do you see how these are saying two very different things: 1. “God's image = male and female.” 2. “We are created in God's image, male and female.” 1 Implies that God's very image is “male and female.”  It's as if you are picturing some 2 headed statue made up of those two things. 2 Implies that both male and female are created in God's image. #2 is what the Bible actually says.  #1 is what you seem to keep repeating.  They convey different ideas, at least, for the way I'm reading #1.

Hello David

Gen 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Questions from this one verse:

Did God create man?  Yes or no?
Is man created in God's image?  Yes or no?
Is God's image, male and female?  Yes or no?
Is man, male and female? Yes or no?
Is man referred to as “them”?  Yes or no?

Which God did the creating?  Elohim, YHVH or Holy Spirit?

Did you read the context for my reply?  If so, why wouldn't those statements be clear?

The Professor

[RokkaMan]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 06 2010,11:12)

Quote (david @ Aug. 06 2010,01:53) Quote The information is clear: God's image = male and female We are created in God's image, male and female.   DBF, do you see how these are saying two very different things: 1. “God's image = male and female.” 2. “We are created in God's image, male and female.” 1 Implies that God's very image is “male and female.”  It's as if you are picturing some 2 headed statue made up of those two things. 2 Implies that both male and female are created in God's image. #2 is what the Bible actually says.  #1 is what you seem to keep repeating.  They convey different ideas, at least, for the way I'm reading #1. Hello David Gen 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Questions from this one verse: Did God create man?  Yes or no? Is man created in God's image?  Yes or no? Is God's image, male and female?  Yes or no? Is man, male and female? Yes or no? Is man referred to as “them”?  Yes or no? Which God did the creating?  Elohim, YHVH or Holy Spirit? Did you read the context for my reply?  If so, why wouldn't those statements be clear? The Professor

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Which God did the creating? Elohim, YHVH or Holy Spirit

That's a silly question.

There's only 1 God…one being…with 7 discernable spirits.

Truth, love, life ect…?

Each spirit doesn't take on it's own soul or anything…it's still God.

It's like listening to a recording of your voice.

When you playback the recording…is it someone else speaking? no, it's still you…even though the voice isn't coming directly from the source.

God created everything, whether it was him taking on the role of The Son or whatever…it's still God.

If he created us in his image, it doesn't matter if it was a specific spirit in which he did it in, or in the image of his totality….at the end of the day, we know it to be male and female, then later seperated after being created in his image.

So God in essence would be male and female….or maybe neither?

Gender is only relevant to reproduction…God may actually just be a spirit without a gender…

man i'm tired, i'm going to stop posting…

[davidbfun]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Aug. 08 2010,00:31)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 06 2010,11:12) Quote (david @ Aug. 06 2010,01:53) Quote The information is clear: God's image = male and female We are created in God's image, male and female.   DBF, do you see how these are saying two very different things: 1. “God's image = male and female.” 2. “We are created in God's image, male and female.” 1 Implies that God's very image is “male and female.”  It's as if you are picturing some 2 headed statue made up of those two things. 2 Implies that both male and female are created in God's image. #2 is what the Bible actually says.  #1 is what you seem to keep repeating.  They convey different ideas, at least, for the way I'm reading #1. Hello David Gen 1:27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Questions from this one verse: Did God create man?  Yes or no? Is man created in God's image?  Yes or no? Is God's image, male and female?  Yes or no? Is man, male and female? Yes or no? Is man referred to as “them”?  Yes or no? Which God did the creating?  Elohim, YHVH or Holy Spirit? Did you read the context for my reply?  If so, why wouldn't those statements be clear? The Professor Quote Which God did the creating?  Elohim, YHVH or Holy Spirit That's a silly question. There's only 1 God…one being…with 7 discernable spirits. Truth, love, life ect…? Each spirit doesn't take on it's own soul or anything…it's still God. It's like listening to a recording of your voice. When you playback the recording…is it someone else speaking? no, it's still you…even though the voice isn't coming directly from the source. God created everything, whether it was him taking on the role of The Son or whatever…it's still God. If he created us in his image, it doesn't matter if it was a specific spirit in which he did it in, or in the image of his totality….at the end of the day, we know it to be male and female, then later seperated after being created in his image. So God in essence would be male and female….or maybe neither? Gender is only relevant to reproduction…God may actually just be a spirit without a gender… man i'm tired, i'm going to stop posting…

Hello RM,

Or should it be “Rocket Man”? Because this is the wildest, furtherest out response I've seen.  lol

I hear you, when I am tired some things just don't come out right so, I'll say why things seem to be “way out there”:

YOU: That's a silly question. ME: Actually it isn't, maybe the response is…..In Gen 1:27 there is a specific “God” doing the talking.

YOU:  There's only 1 God…one being…with 7 discernable spirits. ME: Maybe true, maybe NOT….just don't see it here in this verse.  There were only three (3) choices given and “God” wasn't one of them or 7 discernable spirits….I asked which “God” referring to the Hebrew word that was translated “God” in this verse.

YOU:Truth, love, life ect…? ME: Many abstracts and distractions, why place them here? Rocket spiralling out of control……..

YOU:  Each spirit doesn't take on it's own soul or anything…it's still God. ME: Spirit = soul;  Spirit = “it”;  Spirit = God

YOU:  It's like listening to a recording of your voice. ME:  What “it” are you referring to here?  Spirit, Soul, God?

When you playback the recording…is it someone else speaking? no, it's still you…even though the voice isn't coming directly from the source.

YOU:  God created everything, whether it was him taking on the role of The Son or whatever…it's still God. ME:  Again, what “it” are you talking about?  The SON is GOD? Here in verse 27?

YOU:  If he created us in his image, it doesn't matter if it was a specific spirit in which he did it in, or in the image of his totality….at the end of the day, we know it to be male and female, then later seperated after being created in his image. ME:  Tiredness showing thru…..what do you mean “If”?  Should be “Since He created us in His image…..”, it is a stated fact that He did this act.  The only “truth/fact” is, “We know it to be male and female,”….

Later separated into what after being created?  7 Spirits or is “separated” here meaning He “split or took off”?

YOU:  So God in essence would be male and female….or maybe neither? ME:  You were on the right track for a second and then doubt (maybe neither)set in,,,,,too bad.

YOU:  Gender is only relevant to reproduction…God may actually just be a spirit without a gender…ME:  Then God is a liar, because, “He said”…..Gen 1:26 – 27……  

This is why I was asking for “Yes or No” responses.

YOU:  man i'm tired, i'm going to stop posting… ME:  Hallelujah, hope you sleep well.  

Maybe David will come back all rested and give a response??

The Professor

[Ed J]

Hi Everyone,

Here is someone who agrees with DavidBeFun…

Enjoy!

[davidbfun]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 10 2010,18:27)

Hi Everyone, Here is someone who agrees with DavidBeFun… Enjoy!

Hey Ed,

Thanks.

I need to make my own video as there is so much more.

It took her too long to really make the points needed to be made.

I only watched the first one because the second one wouldn't play correctly.

The Professor

[Ed J]

Hi David,

Sometimes all you have to do is press Play and pause it for
a few seconds, that way it won't keep skitzing out on you; OK?

God bless
Ed J

[davidbfun]

Quote (david @ Aug. 03 2010,12:45)

Quote If you allow yourself to see the possibility of Elohim being God Most High as an umbrella and under Him being “YHVH and Spirit” then you will be able to think on your own concerning the Bible and not need any church to do your thinking for you.  Nor will you argue their philosophy but have your own; based only on the Bible. –DBF It's just that this is nowhere taught in scripture.  Yes, you have that one scripture in Genesis where it says “spirit God” and most translators translate as “spirit of God” or “God's spirit.” I have a question:  When translating Hebrew into Greek, does Hebrew already have the word “of” and secondly, does “of” sometimes have to be inserted at the discretion of the translator?  (I really don't know the answer.  I thought it would be quicker to ask you.) Because if “of” sometimes has to be added when translating it into Greek, then you have no argument.  If “of” already exists in Hebrew, and it isn't in that Genesis Scripture, then we have an anomoly. But that still wouldn't cancel out everything else that has been written. No scripture says: “Jehovah is part of God.”  There are scriptures that clearly say that “Jehovah is God” however. People will always accept the clear scriptures over one possible anomoly.

Hello David,

I don't translate from Hebrew to Greek. I don't translate at all….do you? I read some English.

God's Spirit (Ruach Elohim) is listed 89 times.

Holy Spirit is listed 101 times.

YHWH Elohim (LORD God) 434 times.

YHWH; LORD (& Lord) 7886 times.

Spirit = Ruach (noun, feminine)
YHWH = LORD (noun, masculine)

The Professor

[JustAskin]

DBF,

Still strutting the Male female stuff, I see… Why do you seem to think that a human given status of Male and Female words pertain to God?

Why you want to divide God when God said “I am ONE”? What's you hang up wanting to call God female

– I'm really suspicious about you!!!

[davidbfun]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,17:05)

DBF, Still strutting the Male female stuff, I see… Why do you seem to think that a human given status of Male and Female words pertain to God? Why you want to divide God when God said “I am ONE”? What's you hang up wanting to call God female – I'm really suspicious about you!!!

Hello JA,

I show Scriptures. Where are yours?

You show me yours and I'll show you mine.  

Actually I say that God's image is male and female, not just female.

Ever think of WHY God would have to say that He is one?

His name “Elohim” is a “majestic plural” and shows that He has two essences Elohi (goddess) + m (plural, masc).  Ignore the information and be “ignorant”.

The first book of the Bible explains Elohim.

God speaks and says He is male and female….again, ignore the information and be “ignorant”.

I have difficulty following the next verse by letting a person be (I keep trying to “help”):

1Cr 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

JA, you are a leader (Mod) and should be directing others to the truth.  What I write aren't my words.  I didn't create Hebrew and for sure I didn't create the Bible.

I guess you're right, ….still strutting the Male Female stuff.  I cannot deny the Truth.

Actually, my view of Elohim goes with what you said concerning God, “I am ONE”.  He needs to explain it because He also said that He was Male and Female.  Not TWO beings but ONE being with two essences.

JA you have TWO essences, body and spirit like the Bible says, no?  How many entitites? ONE.

Does God have a body and spirit?  How many Gods?  ONE.

Does Elohim have two essences, male and female?  How many Gods?  ONE.

HOW He does it?  I can't say.  I can only point out the Bible that is saying it.  Not only that it is in the Bible but GOD is directly saying it:

Let US create Man in OUR image….and He did….male and female.

JA, out of curiosity, where in your theology is this “female” essence of God?

Making fun of me won't change what is written.

And as a teacher you will be held accountable for what you teach.

The Professor

[Ed J]

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,08:44)

Hello David, Holy Spirit is listed 101 times. The Professor

Hi David,

Excellent Job!
The FACTS always corroborate “Bible Truth”=117! (Isaiah 44:26)

        HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ! (Click Here)
      God is seen clearly through the use of Prime Numbers

God is also seen clearly through the use of Prime Number Counterparts.
“GOD”=26 raised Jesus back to life because God is the “Tree of Life”=101;
101 is the 26th prime number in a long list of prime numbers starting with two.

            “Christian” equals 101 as well!

The Theomatic formula of [63+54=117] helps to conclusively prove “YHVH is GOD”=117.

“YHVH”=63 as the “Spirit [of] God” (God Spirit=117) indwells in mankind starting after
a 54-day period which began at the crucifixion and ended at Pentecost. On day four,
Jesus is living again, “GOD the Father”=117 raised Him back to life (Gal.1:1).
Pentecost in Greek means fifty; which started fifty days after the resurrection.
Pentecost brings a close to the fifty-four day period that began at Jesus’ death.
“Pentecost”=117 therefore began 54 days after the crucifixion.

“YHVH”=63 plus the 54 days it took prior to “Pentecost”=117 starting,
can therefore be mathematically (Theomatically) stated as (63+54=117).
This formula lends strong support to the claim of English Gematria
in general and stronger evidence that “YHVH is GOD”=117.
The evidence of God’s existence is beginning to shine.

                             “YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[davidbfun]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 18 2010,17:43)

Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 18 2010,08:44) Hello David, Holy Spirit is listed 101 times. The Professor Hi David, Excellent Job! The FACTS always corroborate “Bible Truth”=117! (Isaiah 44:26)         HolySpirit is “GOD: The Father” of Jesus Christ! (Click Here)       God is seen clearly through the use of Prime Numbers God is also seen clearly through the use of Prime Number Counterparts. “GOD”=26 raised Jesus back to life because God is the “Tree of Life”=101; 101 is the 26th prime number in a long list of prime numbers starting with two.             “Christian” equals 101 as well! The Theomatic formula of [63+54=117] helps to conclusively prove “YHVH is GOD”=117. “YHVH”=63 as the “Spirit [of] God” (God Spirit=117) indwells in mankind starting after a 54-day period which began at the crucifixion and ended at Pentecost. On day four, Jesus is living again, “GOD the Father”=117 raised Him back to life (Gal.1:1). Pentecost in Greek means fifty; which started fifty days after the resurrection. Pentecost brings a close to the fifty-four day period that began at Jesus’ death. “Pentecost”=117 therefore began 54 days after the crucifixion. “YHVH”=63 plus the 54 days it took prior to “Pentecost”=117 starting, can therefore be mathematically (Theomatically) stated as (63+54=117). This formula lends strong support to the claim of English Gematria in general and stronger evidence that “YHVH is GOD”=117. The evidence of God’s existence is beginning to shine.                              “YHVH is GOD”=117 PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter], the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]! Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17) 117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

Can you tell me why JA doesn't ever address any of the Scripture that is put in a post?

The Professor

[JustAskin]

DBF,
making fun of you — its in your NAME…..

[JustAskin]

DBF… David (BF) you are FUN…!

[JustAskin]

DBF… You are hilarious….

I urge you to drop this nonesense… before your name become a byword for something you won't like –

[davidbfun]

Quote (JustAskin @ Aug. 18 2010,18:11)

DBF… You are hilarious…. I urge you to drop this nonesense… before your name become a byword for something you won't like –

Hi JA,

Wow, what could I do with J— and A–?

Why don't you ever answer or rebutt what is written?  You only do this,,,make fun or degrade a person.

Avoidance was Bod's MO, too.  

How did you get to be a Moderator?

If I said something wrong give me Scripture.

If not, apply the information.

Where is your Female essence of Elohim?

The Professor

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