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Kathy,
First I forgot to comment you on your process of first taking what you conceived as a sin to your brother you believed committed it and attempting to handle it is private communications before bringing it to the group.
If I were to guess Ed J. feels you are falsely accusing him and has not gotten past that hurt feeling. This is fairly common in humans as we allow Satan to blind us to many things. Getting past that stage is extremely difficult and perhaps not worth the effort. Sometimes it is probably best to put it behind you and go on. If a sin is repeated to the point where it brings harm to your reputation then you will need to address it in one way or another. I cannot tell you what is best to do in that situation as I myself have trouble addressing it and try a variety of different solutions.
I can do as you do and advise Ed J. that due to the fact that we are instructed to live at peace with others as much as we can us as Christians should seek to find remedies when we offend our siblings, unless to do so would be a sin. In his case it appears wisest to take you at your word and ask you what you feel was left out and then include it even though it may be extraneous to his eyes.
The accusation of slander is common on this sight and understandable considering that we are discussing issues we deeply believe in. I find it hard to believe that many here will judge you by such an accusation because it simply means the person disagrees with your interpretation which should be self evident anyways. If you feel the remarks are defamatory and have evidence it harms your reputation then you should take that matter up with T8 if all else fails.
I disagree that he needs to be held accountable as God does not do that when he forgives. What I will say is if he sins against you and refuses to change his ways then he needs to be held accountable. This is true of each and every one of us.
The freedom of Speech of Christians is based on godly principles and not the principles of the world. We, as a servant of God, do not have the freedom to misrepresent the views of others or to make defamatory statements about them. Some personal attacks can be considered opinions versus defamatory statements.
Ed J.,
Please read my post to Kathy. Thank you.
According to scripture it is possible to sin when one has the Spirit of Christ dwelling in you. You instructed not to deny that you have sinned but instead to confess that sin. This instruction comes with a promise and that promise is that God will cleanse you of unrighteousness.
I am not saying that you sin but letting you know there is a remedy if you do sin.
Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2010,18:38) Kathy, If I were to guess Ed J. feels you are falsely accusing him and has not gotten past that hurt feeling.
Quote What I will say is if he sins against you and refuses to change his ways then he needs to be held accountable.
Hi Kerwin,Not quoting an entire quote hardly constitutes as a sin; you do know that, don't you?
There has been a change, did you not read the entirety of this 'thread of slander'!Feelings has nothing to do with this issue.
I know you're trying to help between me and Kathi,
but (you know me) I have to get to 'the root of the problem'.With Kathi, she thinks she can 'control' others, but I have
demonstrated to all that, that is NOT going to happen with me!As I said (to her) in the first in a series marked: PM #1, posted on her 'thread of slander'…
You remind me of a 'little sister' saying: 'Eddie won't listen to me, Mommy
make Eddie listen to me.' Your choice is not to control me, but to try to get along!
Were you abused in your childhood to cause you to Post such resentment toward me?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2010,18:42) Ed J., Please read my post to Kathy. Thank you.
According to scripture it is possible to sin when one has the Spirit of Christ dwelling in you. You instructed not to deny that you have sinned but instead to confess that sin. This instruction comes with a promise and that promise is that God will cleanse you of unrighteousness.
I am not saying that you sin but letting you know there is a remedy if you do sin.
Hi Kerwin,I have been very well versed in what Scripture teaches,
as I've studied God's word for many years.
Thanks for the info though!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2010,18:38) Kathy, First I forgot to comment you on your process of first taking what you conceived as a sin to your brother you believed committed it and attempting to handle it is private communications before bringing it to the group.
Hi Kerwin,This is addressed in a PM marked #3…
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Hi Kathi, (PM#3)You really should “Pray” about what your motivation is!
Isn't Posting someones PM's in a Forum against the rules?
Ironic No? You'll break “real rules” to try to enforce 'fake rules'!Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2010,18:38) Kathy, This is fairly common in humans as we allow Satan to blind us to many things.
Hi Kerwin,Eph.5:11,13 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness,
but rather reprove them. But all things that are reproved are made
manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Kerwin,
Enduring this 'thread of slander' is the kind of suffering written about in God's word!
2Tm.3:12: Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
Rom.8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;
if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.Ezek.3:27 But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth,
and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; He that heareth,
let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear: for they are a rebellious house.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2010,18:42) Ed J., Please read my post to Kathy. Thank you.
Hi Kerwin, read my Posts to you. Your welcome.Every one of us shall give account of himself to God. (Rom. 14:12)
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That
man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Mathew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man
shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that
proceedeth out of “The Mouth of God” (YHVH).Isaiah 54:15,17 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me(YHVH):
whosoever shall gather together against thee(Ed J) shall fall for thy sake. No
weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that
shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage
of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.Jer.15:20 And I will make thee unto this people a fenced brasen wall:
and they shall fight against thee, but they shall not prevail against thee:
for I with thee to save thee and to deliver thee, saith the LORD. And I will deliver
thee out of the hand of the wicked, and I will redeem thee out of the hand of the terrible.
Acts 5:39 If it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.2Peter 3:17-18 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before,
beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked,
fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the
knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be
glory both now and for ever. Amen.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgKerwin,
Edj said early on that he would not open my PM's to him so therefore discussing it privately was impossible. Thanks for your thoughts, as you can see, our words have fallen on deaf ears and I have tried to bring understanding. I have done my part, no one can change another man's heart.Hi Kerwin,
What she is presenting is false information.
She did not contact me by PM to privately discuss
her grievance, instead she made a big showing on the
thread. Declaring to everyone that she believed that I have
(according to her) wronged her in some way. I have seen many
others only post only part of a quote, and have even read the rules
of the forum to make sure my Postings were in compliance with the rules.
So then I posted: “if you want me to treat you like you don't exist just say so.”
Instead of her addressing my question to her, she has continued make a big show.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org.
Matt.12:20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax
shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
..
Psalm 56:2: Mine enemies would daily swallow me up:
for they be many that fight against me, O thou most High.
Jer.1:19 They shall fight against thee(Ed J); but they shall not
prevail against thee; for I with thee, saith the LORD, to deliver thee..
Quote (francis @ Dec. 31 2010,15:18) Mike… And one of the things I've learned is to not take things personally when someone disagrees with me
or even when someone is able to “stump” me with an observation or a point I had not considered before.God Bless
Respectfully, Francis
Hi Francis,Words to the wise, my friend, words to the wise!
Psalm 37:30-33 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom,
and his tongue talketh of judgment. The law of his God is in his heart;
none of his steps shall slide. The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh
to slay him. The LORD will not leave him in his hand, nor condemn him when he is judged.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Ps.45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 26 2010,18:21) Well Edj, At least you came to the topic but you are addressing others when you need to work this out with me. I find that strange.
Also, as I have explained to you before, I don't have a problem with anyone quoting part of a post especially when the rest of the quote is referenced, I have a problem with quoting only part of a whole thought or list and not representing the complete thought or complete list and changing the numbers or words. That can lead to 'distortion of truth' down the road in the thread. Also, I have a problem when you change the quote of mine that was within someone's post that they are referring to. I can't even do that with my editing rights on my own words and they are my words because that can lead to further 'distortion of truth.' I have explained all that to you before and 'your friend' t8 gave you a warning which you did not respect and other witnesses made like claims against you as you can see if you revisit the original thread where this happened.
This thread is not meant to defame your character but to give you an opportunity to settle your grievances with me. If you feel defamed it maybe because I am quoting you and your own words are defaming your character. For instance, you quoted Kerwin who said that you showed maturity by how you address him and others. Well, here is a couple of pm's that you sent to me right after you were given the warning by t8:
Quote Posted: May 28 2010,02:15
Hi Kathi,Are you on the forum to deceive? Are you one of the many spoken of in Mark 13:6?
Mark 13:6: For many shall come in my name, saying, i am; and shall deceive many.‘i am’=23 (mark 13:6)
John 16: 2-3 …whosoever killeth you (Ed J) will think that he (or she)
doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you (Ed J),
because they have not known the Father(יהוה), nor me(יהשוע).Since you don’t like how I respond to your Posts, here’s what I’m going to do…
1) Ignore ‘all’ your Posts on the forum to me.
2) Only respond to your Posts (to me) via PM (to you).
3) Anything you have against any of my beliefs Post it on one of the threads I started, because…
4) I will NOT open any PM by you to me (or anyone else prompted by you to me either).Ed J
PS> You complaining will NOT change ANYTHING!
And stay out of my business, meaning my Posts to others.
(something you were not able to do in the past!)That “Posts to others” you mentioned was the one where they were quoting me and you deleted part of my quote that they were quoting me about. You seem to think that was not my business yet it was my quote so that makes it my business. When you do that and then others quote your whole post which includes my partial quote because you deleted half of it, that can lead to all sorts of 'distortion of truth.'
Found here:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=740And then, after I did not respond to your pm…you sent this one next:
Quote Posted: June 03 2010,01:59
Hi Kathi,If you genuinely seek unity with me as your Post suggests,
then all you have to do is “exactly” what you asked me to do! (Matt.7:2)
Otherwise things will remain axactly as I pointed out to you in my last PM to you.God bless
Ed J (Eccl.9:14-16)
PS> You have my permission to PM Karmarie about me; OK? (Prob.11:13)
Also count six Posts up from yours and you will find this…Quote (Ed J @ June 03 2010,16:27)
Hi LU… (except here it says WJ),Yea, it's because I seek agreement and continuity in the body of Christ, while others don't; (Philip.1:15)
thinking instead they can get people to 'submit' to their (satanic) demands!As you can plainly see I haven't submitted to your LUcifer demands! Nor will I!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
I suppose that what you refer to as my 'satanic demands' was that you stop hacking my posts and quotes of my posts and apologize for slinging the derogatory insults.
So you admit that you will not apologize or stop with the offensive remarks but insist that I am the one that needs to apologize. I have asked you to form a statement of what you think I should say in my apology and I will take it to the Holy Spirit to see if He agrees. You haven't done that, have you. I do not feel like I owe you an apology, in fact, I don't enable someone that did wrong with an apology just to make him feel better. If you think I was wrong then bring your two witnesses that agree with you so we can all discuss this.
Edj,
After I told you what you did and that I didn't like it you did not admit it. Maybe I should have told you that privately but it didn't seem like that big of a deal. I thought you would EASILY see the problem and that would be the end of it but then you tried to twist the situation and blame me for taking away your freedom of speech. After that, I thought that witnesses were wise to have instead of speaking privately because you were already not receiving the correction.But it is true that you told me that you would not open my PM's early on in this mess. See the bolded part in the above PM that you sent to me.
It it typical for members here to try to correct someone on the threads out in the open because that is where it happens and easy to reference. You do it all the time and that can all be easily verified.
Hi Fellow members,
I see Kathi’s type of behavior while driving;
people getting upset because they were not in front of you.
Then, because their expectations aren’t met, make accusations of wrong doing.
But do they feel any remorse for making accusations? No, because they believe their decrees are absolute.So rightly saith the Scriptures… Rom.2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them
which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHeaven (t8) says:
Quote Editing rights is for correcting grammar and spelling. It is not for rewriting a post or changing the content for whatever reason. Common sense would tell you that you can't edit anothers post either…that means rewrite them or change the content for whatever reason. Most people wouldn't have to be told that.
from here, 4th post down:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….31;st=0The Day of The LORD, (Amos 5:18)
Eccl.9:12-16 For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net,
and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time,
when it falleth suddenly upon them. This wisdom have I seen also under the sun, and it seemed
great unto me: There was a little city, and few men within it; and there came a great king against it,
and besieged it, and built great bulwarks against it: Now there was found in it a poor wise man, and
he by his wisdom delivered the city; yet no man remembered that same poor man. Then said I, Wisdom
is better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom is despised, and his words are not heard.
Is.49:16 Behold, I(יהשוע) have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee;
and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet;
and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16).
Daniel 11:18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many:
but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to
cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.Psalm 15:1 LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle?
who shall dwell in thy holy hill? He that walketh uprightly,
and worketh righteousness, and speaketh “The Truth” in his
heart. He that backbiteth not with his tongue, nor doeth evil to
his neighbor, nor taketh up a reproach against his neighbor. In
whose eyes a vile person is contemned; but he honoreth them
that fear the LORD. He that sweareth to his own hurt, and changeth not.
He that putteth not out his money to usury, nor taketh reward against
the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.Isaiah 33:14-17 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who
among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that
shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth
his eyes from seeing evil; He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks:
bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure. Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty:
they shall behold the land that is very far off.
.Quote (Lightenup @ Jan. 01 2011,03:28)
I thought you would EASILY see the problem and that would be the end of it but then you tried to twist the situation and blame me…
Go here:It makes it much more readable and easier to follow, when you quote relevant parts only
Left click on the link in the first post down and your eyes will be opened
.Hi Everyone,
I have never said anyone on this forum was 'a liar',
seems that false accusations run deep with some here!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
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