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Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2010,18:10) Quote (JustAskin @ April 30 2010,08:00) “This is MY NAME from everlasting to everlasting” AND “It isn't important”!! This means that It is Jesus that we should be WORSHIPPING….
Hi JA,Now I understand! The words “it isn't important” are not in my Bible. Now that I know about those words, I'm converting to trinitarianism.
It is at least comforting to know that WJ doesn't think Jesus' name is also above…..I can't remember because I can't pronounce it right. Oh well, it isn't important. I'll call him “whats-his-name”. He is nothing now that Jesus is the Almighty God, right?
peace and love,
mike
MikeTell us Mike, what name is every knee in heaven and in earth and under the earth going to bow to?
Can you say it?
If the Tetragammation was so important then why didn't Jesus and the Apostles speak it!
Laugh on guys because the joke is on you!
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2010,18:10) Quote (JustAskin @ April 30 2010,08:00) “This is MY NAME from everlasting to everlasting” AND “It isn't important”!! This means that It is Jesus that we should be WORSHIPPING….
Hi JA,Now I understand! The words “it isn't important” are not in my Bible. Now that I know about those words, I'm converting to trinitarianism.
It is at least comforting to know that WJ doesn't think Jesus' name is also above…..I can't remember because I can't pronounce it right. Oh well, it isn't important. I'll call him “whats-his-name”. He is nothing now that Jesus is the Almighty God, right?
peace and love,
mike
BTW MikeWhat if I called you by the name “makeball64”, notice how I changed the vowels? Would you say that is your name? mikeboll
WJ
Nick,
What has happened to you recently.I see you as disaffected.
Are you hurting.
You latest posts have been one liners without substance. Not just to me but over the whole forum.
Do you not have anything useful to post except telling everyone that 'God is Spirit' and we shouldn't call each othet names.
'So the two hitherto eternal adversaries agreed to come together and thrash out their differences. But just as they were about to agree an amicable settlement, Authur Dent's words 'I rather fancy a cup if tea!' came drifting over the mediation table, and even more unfortunately, in the verblovian tongue, it translated as the worst insult you could make concerning his mother. Each thought it came from the other, and there ensued a withdrawal and thereupon, the bloodiest war ever waged in the heavenly realm.
However, after many years and devastation of both planets and millions of verblovians, it finally dawned on the few remaining that it had all been a terrible mistake and the insult had come from a very small blue-green planet situated on the outer rim the a distant spiral galaxy.
The verblovians gathered together their remaning force and traversed the galaxy, through the solar system and finally came screaming through the, tearing a hole in the admostphere and down onto to planet earth to destroy it for insulting the verblovian's mother.
Unfortunately, the whole million shipped fleet was completely wiped out when it was accidentally swallowed by a small dog that had yawned at the wrong moment'Hi JA,
No just stirring the pot in case anything useful can be gained from the mix.
Good things have emerged lately despite all the nonsense.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 30 2010,09:51) JA Quote (JustAskin @ April 29 2010,16:00)
The God of Heaven and all creation and the God and Father of Jesus Christ has NO NAME (according to WJ) because we don't know how to pronounce it and YHVH (Jehovah, YAHVEH, “I WILL BE WHO I WILL BE” (Thanks EDJ) is only a title. The title, oops!, Name, that God Himself said “This is MY NAME from everlasting to everlasting” AND “It isn't important”!! This means that It is Jesus that we should be WORSHIPPING….
You still evade the question and the point. Why didn’t Jesus speak his name or the Apostles for that matter? So you can like all others claim that his name is Yahveh, YHWH, Jehovah or whatever and it still doesn’t take away from the fact that we do not know the exact pronunciation of his name, does it?WJ
Hi WJ,Speak for yourself 'big boy', you don't qualify to speak for me; and me is part of “WE” 'you' speak of !
The FACT is: “many” people who know exactly to pronounce the name (יהוה) of “God The Father”=117.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgWJ, this is not the debate thread.
When you lose a chess match you can't go over it in the playback and change what has been done because you are embarassed.Just accept the defeat with grace. It won't make any difference to you anyway. You will just call out simeone else tomorrow and repeat the whole thing again. And have learnt nothing.
What was that story I told about the two old guys in the company who never moved up their posts while all freshmans and the like in, moved on, moved up and gainedin wealth and knowledge.
WJ, another 30 years and you will still have learnt nothing, what a waste. There are people who spend their whole lives searching for extraterrestial, for The Yetti, for Bigfoot, for The Lockness Monster.what do you say to them? How sad, do you not know those things are delusions.
Well, WJ, so is the Trinity.Quote (JustAskin @ April 30 2010,06:03) And you see TT now? He knows his time is short and but he is a diferent kettle of fish because he has no concsience but Mikeboll64 is dealing with him very nicely. When TT surfaces again from where he is hiding I will be waiting for Him.
JA,Your pompous dude! I have fallen way behind in my home improvement projects because of the debate with Mike. I go to Bible study and prayer meeting. I have a life outside this board you know.
I will be going on a trip soon. Should I check in with you before I leave? Should I make an announcement so everyone knows I am not “hiding?”
You make me sick JA. I was studying the Bible when you were hanging out with Maggie Simpson
And you're going to say I am “hiding?”The fact is that I have decided to manage my time better here. This means that I won't be giving much attention to answering uneducated people such as you. You seem to have forgotten that you are just a fisherman.
Most of you anti-trinitarians are without a spiritual life of any kind. All you have is this board because it is the only way you can cause mischief without getting into serious trouble.
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2010,11:19) Ding ding,
Was that the bell for round 15?
Hey Nick,So you do have a sense of humor? Glad to see it.
thinker
Wj,
Why are you hiding your shame behind attempts at disaster recovery.
EVERYONE can see these posts. You are exposed, man, just leave off. Lick your wounds in private.
Why you out in the open? Don't you know you need to dress your wounds else infection will set in. Whatcha doing out going saying 'Look what JA has done to me!', He has hurt me, see, and i was only saying that because we can't know the 'exact' pronunciation of God's, we shouldn't speak it un any way, shape or form, but instead, use the name of Jesus ad our head of heads. Yeh, use Jesus' name for the head of heads, God Amighty, Himself.'
Ah , WJ, so then, the name of the Holy Spirit? So simple, man, why you got trouble answering me: What is the name of the Holy Spirit? Of course, it's 'Jesus'. Tuh! So easy……not!
No, WJ, God the Father's name is, in our English interpretation, Jehovah, Yehovah or Yahveh, and is still a name above Jesus' name.
WJ, in all things PUT GOD FIRST, and here ALL MEANS ALL, Complete, the Lot, unsurpassed, insurmountable. Jesus' name is above all names and all things except his father's.
WJ said to JA:
Quote Are you having a nervous breakdown? The debate is over because you are quiting!
The observation has proven to be true in the case of JA:“You can always tell who the loser is in an argument. The loser gets angry.”
JA powers his key board with snake venom.
thinker
Tt, have you stepped on your partner's head again. Have you read WJ's post? Yes, he is LIVID!
Did you wait till I was leaving to crawl out of your hiding place?
Post your own post. WJ has been wounded enough without you rubbing salt into his wound.
Yes, of course he is angry, why not, I feel pity for him because he just doesn't know how to admit the truth and not lose face.
I say, just bite the bullet, there's no other way: You can't make your stained garment white unless you wash it.
And when you wash it the dirt will be exposed but should you care that others see it? No, because those who possess the white garments are pleased to receive you.
You are jealous because WJ has a chance to wash his stained garment and that will leave you on your own.
Well, you needn't be. We will receive you also,…if you are prepared to get your hands dirty and wash your stained garment. Will you?
'Your response is important to us'
TT,
Can you never speak the truth in any form.It's Snake Oil, TT. SNAKE OIL, not Snake Venom. Snake Venon is the cheap, nasty stuff that you use. Snake oil is refined.
And further. It's a keyboard that is smooth as glass, and is in front of my throne, my position of power and authority in my home. It is a virtual keyboard, kept clean with tiny droplets of enriched and refined, Snake Oil.
It helps with the slithering of the pointer stick, allowing me to make loads of spelling typo's!
Ding Ding!
Did the bell ring?
It's sounding voice said
'It's time for your bed!'
JA pulls down the awning,
And, with a stretch and much yawning,
Says, 'See you in the morning.'Hi Thinker,
You said:
Quote Did the Hebrew son still serve his father after he took full possession of the inheritance? I think most of them moved out an started a family of their own at that time.
You said:
Quote God is not my own Father but Christ's. You just killed the trinity doctrine with one sentence, Jack. God is indeed the direct Father of His Son, Jesus. In the same sense that I am the father to my son.
You said:
Quote After Christ took full possession of His inheritance it became rightfully His and He is therefore no longer His Father's servant. He inherited a Kingdom. But is it his own Kingdom? Does he have one and God has a different one? Which one will you live in?
You said:
Quote He may do with His inheritance whatsoever He pleases. Anything he wants? Hmmm. He inherited “all power and authority”. Can he keep it forever if he wants?
You said:
Quote You have lost the “right hand” issue. Jesus indeed reigns. Save it for the debate. And the issue isn't whether Jesus reigns or not, it is “Does being at someone's right hand mean that you are equal to that person?”
You said:
Quote Look at Isaiah carefully. The lion and the lamb prophecy is connected with Christ's first coming. (see chap 11). The lion and the lamb prophecy was metaphorical for salvation. If you just read chapter 11, it sounds that way. But look at chapter 65:
17 “For here I am creating new heavens and a new earth; and the former things will not be called to mind,”
Then it goes on to talk about many things that haven't come to pass yet. And then it says:
24 And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear. 25 “The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull;
You said:
Quote The scripture does not say that everyone shall be born with the knowledge of God. Where do you get this idea? You are right, it doesn't say “born”. I mentally inserted that when I read Jer 31:
33 “For this is the covenant that I shall conclude with the house of Israel after those days,” is the utterance of Jehovah. “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I shall write it. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people.” 34 “And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, ‘KNOW Jehovah!’ for they will all of them know me, from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them,” is the utterance of Jehovah.
In my mind, children will then be born with the knowledge of God in their hearts and minds. So I (what's the word?) transposed it into the actual Scripture. My bad.
My point was that certain things will have happened before Jesus and Jehovah start ruling on earth as Kings. Jesus does not now rule the earth. It is not the appointed time yet.
You said:
Quote Paul said that the gospel had been preached to every creature (all mankind) under heaven. You have said that this is “exaggeration.” But you weren't there so how do you know? And if it is exaggeration then so is Isaiah's prophecy regarding the whole land being filled with the knowledge of the lord. You can't have it both ways. If the one is exaggeration then they all are exaggeration. So because one thing that happened in the Bible is literal, say the exodus, then everything has to be literal, say Daniel's statue of gold and bronze, etc.?
You said:
Quote Paul told the saints at Rome that God would crush satan under THEIR feet SHORTLY: What exactly does “shortly” mean to God? A day? A week? A million years? And do you think that he meant “their” feet literally? Or could he have meant that Satan would eventually be crushed under the feet of the elect?
You said:
Quote Satan was cast into the lake of fire in ad7O. What? So Satan is gone? Who is ruling this world right now? Show me Scripturally that Satan is out of the picture.
You said:
Quote Christ is both the mediator and the one who mmade the covenant. You need to bone up on Hebrews chaps 7-9 and revisit the “testator” thread I started. I know it inside and out, brother. You think that Jesus had to die to enforce the new covenant. But you have never answered about what man or god died to enforce the old one?
Add it to our debate list, if it isn't already there. You said:
Quote I have already explained that mediation had to occur by the kin of both parties. Jesus is both God's “kin” and our “kin.” And I have asked a million times (that is an exaggeration, so now I won't ever be able to say anything literal again
) if a mediator can be one of the parties being mediated between. Add it to our debate list, if it isn't already there.You said:
Quote Jesus is no longer a human being. He is no longer flesh and blood. Do you agree?
You said:
Quote Paul said that the mediator is not from one clearly implying that the mediator must be from two parties. The only person who could fit the bill would be the Theanthropos, that is, the God-Man. Is that how mediation works? The mediator has to be a member of BOTH parties he is mediating between? I went to mediation once, the mediator was neither me nor the person I was disputing.
And who is “God-Man”? Is he related to “He-Man, Master of the Universe”? I don't think I ever read about him in the Scriptures.
You said:
Quote HOW CAN JESUS BE A MEDIATOR AT ALL IF HE IS NO LONGER A MAN? PAUL SAID THAT THE “MAN” CHRIST JESUS IS THE MEDIATOR? I didn't know that an actual man was required to mediate between mankind and God. I think God could have also appointed an angel that task if he chose to. Jesus is of course a man as the Scriptures teach. He is in a heavenly body now, so therefore not a human. He is spirit, just like his Father and God, Jehovah.
You didn't answer. When will you stop being God's servant? There are only two types of beings in existence, those who serve Jehovah, and those who choose not to. I don't ever want to be counted in that second group, do you?
And you didn't answer this either. How can one be both a priest OF God, and God at the same time?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2010,10:15) Hi MB,
More apparent respect for God would seem appropriate if you fear Him.
Hi Nick,Is it not God himself who created us with a sense of humor, anger and sarcasm? Lighten up, man. God knows I was using sarcasm to make a point IN His favor. He used it himself toward Job:
19 “What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!Laugh a little, Nick. Life shouldn't be so serious, IMO.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (thethinker @ April 30 2010,11:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 30 2010,11:19) Ding ding,
Was that the bell for round 15?
Hey Nick,So you do have a sense of humor? Glad to see it.
thinker
Hi TT,
Fooling around with the sacred words to make them fit man's trinity speculation is risky for you and no laughing matter.
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