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Martian,
Take heart from what Brother Mike is saying to you.His outlook is a correct way forward. I support his position.
Treat all opposition as a test of your understanding of the Scriptures, of who God is, of who Jesus is, of what belief in both means, 'this means everlasting life, them taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and the one you sent, Jesus Christ'
I have said,as Mike, has just said, 'if it weren't for the opposition, I would not have been compelled to delve so deeply into the Scriptures and discovered so much I did not know, praise Jah!
All revelation
Is for our edification
Suffer the harsh education
And accept the rectification.
When you find you in a situation
Them coming at'ya with delu-sion
Crying 'Abba, Father', provides inspiration
And he'll help recover your posi-tionQuote (JustAskin @ April 26 2010,04:00) 'this means everlasting life, them taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and the one you sent, Jesus Christ'
Hi JA,You took the words right out of my mouth. I was going to answer with the same exact Scripture after I finished my debate post to thinker.
I know Jesus also says that we shouldn't expect everlasting life just because we know the Scriptures, but what he says in the one you posted makes it clear that it is something we must do.
peace and love,
mikeHey Thinker,
I forgot you didn't answer my questions in your last post.
1. How do you get “persons in a single godhead” out of a word that means “gods”.
2. Kings traditionally used this plural form of speaking when referring to themselves. Do you think that they:
a. Thought themselves to be a “plurality of kings”, or
b. Thought themselves to be “very majestic”.Please answer both.
peace and love,
mikeHi Mike,
The Everlasting Life bit is what we should strive for through accurate (as possible!) knowledge of God, Jesus and the Scriptures, SUPPORTED by the comforter, the holy Spirit which Jesus will give us as we ask for it from his father.
What we should NOT expect is what the Disciples, Apostles, Saints and Elders are due by their inheritance, being the forerunners in Christ, that of a heavenly abode.
Hope for but don't expect – it is not a right but a privilege granted by God – Remember the Jesus and the Twins (I have been accused of not posting EVIDENCE – does anyone not know about this. Well, it goes like this … oh, look it up yourselves if you interested!! – Smile!!)Quote (JustAskin @ April 26 2010,04:00) Martian,
Take heart from what Brother Mike is saying to you.His outlook is a correct way forward. I support his position.
Treat all opposition as a test of your understanding of the Scriptures, of who God is, of who Jesus is, of what belief in both means, 'this means everlasting life, them taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and the one you sent, Jesus Christ'
I have said,as Mike, has just said, 'if it weren't for the opposition, I would not have been compelled to delve so deeply into the Scriptures and discovered so much I did not know, praise Jah!
All revelation
Is for our edification
Suffer the harsh education
And accept the rectification.
When you find you in a situation
Them coming at'ya with delu-sion
Crying 'Abba, Father', provides inspiration
And he'll help recover your posi-tion
Just and Mike,
If you will remember my original post I mentioned the Merry-go-round. I have seen nothing from WJ, Thinker or Isa that I have not dealt with a dozen times. It has got to the point that sometimes I do not even bother to write original posts. I just go back in my personal archives and repost the answers. How much of that repetition should a person endure without getting tired of it. There is little or no chance of relationship in this venue. I include both relationship with God and man. Consequintly this is a head knowledge venue. To me it boils down to entertainment. Because I am housebound I use it for that purpose. When it just becomes frustration it loses even the entertainment value.
However I do thank you for your appreciation of my posts. If I were dealing with folks like you that are actually open and willing to seek truth it might be a different end. I wish there were an area where idiots were not allowed and debate was forbidden where we could actually discuss the subjects.Martian,
That would be too easy.
It is like Jesus saying “Father, if there was a way this cup could be removed from me…but not my will but yours!”
or like we say it I.T.: They system would work perfectly – if it weren't for those d&mn users!
Martian, all that we do in this forum is the learning, and while all good spiritual learning is godly, and this godly learning is contributable to Faith, and by Faith in God and Christ we attain the offer of salvation, and through salvation we obtain life in God and Christ, there is a need also for Works.
Faith first, then works.
You have the faith and salvation is on offer to you. Now while you await the life through the offer of Salvation by the grace of God and Christ, could you consolidating that offer by seeking also to do works?
You want to ask a question here? I await that question!
Quote (JustAskin @ April 26 2010,07:17) Martian, That would be too easy.
It is like Jesus saying “Father, if there was a way this cup could be removed from me…but not my will but yours!”
or like we say it I.T.: They system would work perfectly – if it weren't for those d&mn users!
Martian, all that we do in this forum is the learning, and while all good spiritual learning is godly, and this godly learning is contributable to Faith, and by Faith in God and Christ we attain the offer of salvation, and through salvation we obtain life in God and Christ, there is a need also for Works.
Faith first, then works.
You have the faith and salvation is on offer to you. Now while you await the life through the offer of Salvation by the grace of God and Christ, could you consolidating that offer by seeking also to do works?
You want to ask a question here? I await that question!
Believe me Just. This type of forum is far from an example of God's will.As to the rest of your post my response is “Huh?”
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2010,06:50) Hi M,
Are your views the touchstone for identifying truthseekers?
I can give a hoot what others think. Over the past 2 years I havwe seen you as frustrated as me. Your posts have become more confrontational and sad. Is this the fruit of forums? Perhaps you do not notice it because it is happening gradually but as I step away for a while and come back it is very clear.Hi M,
False teachers abound.
Scriptural reliance is promoted here.
How can you get frustrated when the work is not ours?Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2010,21:44) Already answered. I showed you that peace, grace and mercy can come from others besides God and Jesus.
MikeThis is really grasping for straws! Can those examples you show us give grace, mercy and peace to believers all over the world at the same time?
Can they dwell in believers all over the world and give them the peace of God that passes all understanding (Phil 4:7)?
Grace also means “the divine influence upon the heart and its reflection in the life”, (Eph 2:7-9), can your models give inner life and power to live?
Can your models give rest to souls all over the world to those that come to them at the same time?
Jesus gives rest to all those who come to him from all over the world, many at the same time. Jesus hears the prayers of men and woman all over the world at the same time and makes himself present wherever two or three are gathered all at the same time. Matt 11:27-30 – Matt 29:20 – Matt 18:20 -John 14:23
Why, only God could do that, oh thats right Jesus is God!
Jesus possesses all things (John 15:16 – John 3:35 – John 13:3) and has all authority and power (Math 28:18 – Eph 1:21 – Col 2:10 – 1 Pet 3:22) and all things come to us from him, for he is our source, and in fact all things are upheld by the word of his power and by him all things consist. Heb 1:3 – Col 1:17
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2010,17:50) Why, only God could do that, oh thats right Jesus is God!
Hi WJ,No, Jesus is a servant of his God still, as explained in Acts 4. And he is a mediator between mankind and God, and therefore can't also be God. And he is a priest between mankind and God, and therefore cannot be God's priest and God at the same time.
I'm learning lots!
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ April 26 2010,05:30) Hey Thinker, I forgot you didn't answer my questions in your last post.
1. How do you get “persons in a single godhead” out of a word that means “gods”.
2. Kings traditionally used this plural form of speaking when referring to themselves. Do you think that they:
a. Thought themselves to be a “plurality of kings”, or
b. Thought themselves to be “very majestic”.Please answer both.
peace and love,
mike
Refresh for Thinker.Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 27 2010,01:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2010,17:50) Why, only God could do that, oh thats right Jesus is God!
Hi WJ,No, Jesus is a servant of his God still, as explained in Acts 4. And he is a mediator between mankind and God, and therefore can't also be God. And he is a priest between mankind and God, and therefore cannot be God's priest and God at the same time.
I'm learning lots!
peace and love,
mike
MikeActs 4 is inconclusive as it has been shown to you. Does Acts 4 invalidate all the scripture I have given you?
You keep claiming Jesus has no authority and power of his own when it all is his.
You also keep denying that he is “YET” to subject the Kingdom and himself to the Father, 1 Cor 15.
So how is he still the servant Messiah if he has not yet subjected himself or the Kingdom to the Father.
The real Jesus is equal to the Father in authority and power because he has it all!
WJ
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 27 2010,01:33) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2010,17:50) Why, only God could do that, oh thats right Jesus is God!
Hi WJ,No, Jesus is a servant of his God still, as explained in Acts 4. And he is a mediator between mankind and God, and therefore can't also be God. And he is a priest between mankind and God, and therefore cannot be God's priest and God at the same time.
I'm learning lots!
peace and love,
mike
MikeIs the Preist, Mediator and God One?
Carefull how you answer!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 26 2010,18:14) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 26 2010,01:55) Hi WJ,
The Lord is the Spirit.
NHWhich Lord?
WJ
Hi WJ,
Your response confirms your situation.
You neither know your Lord nor your God.
So why do you waste so many words teaching ?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2010,03:05) Mike 1. Acts 4 is inconclusive as it has been shown to you.
2. Does Acts 4 invalidate all the scripture I have given you?
3. You keep claiming Jesus has no authority and power of his own when it all is his.
4. You also keep denying that he is “YET” to subject the Kingdom and himself to the Father, 1 Cor 15.
5. So how is he still the servant Messiah if he has not yet subjected himself or the Kingdom to the Father.
6. The real Jesus is equal to the Father in authority and power because he has it all!
WJ
Hi WJ,I've numbered your points.
1. How is Acts 4 “inconclusive”? It says, 29Now, Lord, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness. 30Stretch out your hand to heal and perform miraculous signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”
They're asking for miraculous signs through the name of the already raised and still servant, Jesus. But maybe this one will lend some support. Acts 3 says,
26When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.”
Sent whom? Now Jack is way better at grammar than I, but I think the pronoun “him” refers back to the noun “servant”, doesn't it? Face it Keith, Jesus is still God's servant.
2. It only invalidates what you interpret those Scriptures to mean.
3. Not true. I've never claimed that Jesus has no power and authority of his own. What I've said is that ALL power and authority ultimately come from God, and that Jesus is the most powerful being in existence – next to his God.
4. If Pharaoh gave Joseph the signet ring and said, “I'll be traveling for two years, you're in charge of everything while I'm gone.”, Joseph is STILL under Pharaoh even while he is away. And it could easily be worded to say, “When Pharaoh returns, Joseph will subject himself to him, so Pharaoh can rule directly again.” This type of wording does not mean that Joseph is exactly equal to the Pharaoh (or actually IS the Pharaoh) until he subjects himself.
5. See above. Just because Jesus rules FOR his God for a while, doesn't mean he IS his God, or even equal to Him.
6. Yes, Jehovah has given Jesus “acting power and authority” for a time. And from this fact, you think that Jesus is now not only equal to his God in every aspect, but that he actually IS his own God.
I can't get on board with that, Keith. Sorry.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2010,03:09) Mike Is the Preist, Mediator and God One?
Carefull how you answer!
WJ
Is this a trick question because God will judge (or mediate) between his people personally in New Jerusalem?This is from Dictionary.com,
Word Origin & History
mediator
c.1300, from L.L. mediatorem (nom. mediator) “one who mediates,” from mediatus, pp. of mediari “to intervene, mediate,” also “to be or divide in the middle,” from L. medius “middle” (see medial). Originally applied to Christ, who in Christian theology “mediates” BETWEEN God and man. Meaning “one who intervenes between two disputing parties” is first attested late 14c.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas HarperI capped the word “between” to make it stand out.
This is also from Dictionary.com,
WikiAnswers – What is the role of a priest? A priest fulfills the role of mediator between God and man.
So no games about Jesus being one with the Father, for the hope is that we will be too. Just answer the questions:
How can a priest OF God, actually be God?
How can a mediator BETWEEN man and God actually be God?
peace and love,
mike
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