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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,12:29) Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,19:54) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,03:06) Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2010,04:27) People speaking fluent Hebrew know that in essence, [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă means: “YÄ is Savior”.
In essence?WJ
Hi WJ,This should help you understand better…
Essence: ultimate nature of a thing,
the properties or attributes by means of which something can be placed in it's proper class or identity.“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע].
“The Savior”=117 is “GOD The Father”=117, (117=”יהוה האלהים” YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL- ō-Hêêm)!
And He is Savior to all who walk the ground! “JEHOVAH GOD”; and there is ‘NO’ other! (Isaiah 43:11)Isaiah 43:11 I, even ;
and beside me there is no savior. (Eph.5:14)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Thanks!
Hi WJ,Your welcome, brother!
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (WorshippingJesus @ April 30 2010,18:00) Mike Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in “the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”: Matt 28:19
These are the words of Jesus.
Better than alluding to it, this verse has a singular name for three and all having the definite article.
Hi WJ,I wonder if that verse could mean, “in the name of the Father, and the name of the Son, and the name of the Holy Spirit.”
It is worded as such in Rev, where John says in New Jerusalem there will be the “throne of God, and of the Lamb.”
We could easily read this as only one throne, had we not previously been told there are two.
If I signed in for us at a busy restaurant, but thought we had a better chance to be called faster if I signed in under all of our names separately, would I be correct in saying I signed in under the name of WJ, and of Thinker, and of Mike? Would it mean we all had the same name?
One more thought: As you point out, Jesus is not recorded as using the divine name Jehovah in the NT, although it is in the LXX as the original Hebrew tetragrammaton. Yet Jesus more than once speaks to the Father about “making his name known”. Since he wasn't obviously talking about the proper name of his Father, he must have been talking about the qualities of his Father, right? Like having a “good name”. So could your Scripture maybe be talking about “name” in that sense?
peace and love,
mikeMike,
WJ has already agreed that 'in the name of' means 'in the power and authority of', so 'yes' for him.Joseph ruled 'in the name of Pharoah'…Joseph was never called 'Pharoah' for he was neither Egyptian nor and Egyptian god.
But Joseph ruled 'in the, with the, power and authority OF Pharoah' 'UNDER' the authority of Pharoah.Joseph held the highest authority in all Egypt, under Pharoah. Pharoah was still 'god' of Egypt, not Joseph.
There is one example for WJ, which is Pharoah/Joseph and another for 'the thinker', which is Aheseurus and Haman/Mordecai (Book of Esther)
WJ,
You suggested some time back something about God taking the form of man.
Since you are a 'Mighty God', why not demonstrate, yourself, a desire to take the form of 'a man' and become 'a man' and take your defeat with honour, since it is too much for you to take your defeat while you are in the form of a 'Mighty God'?
Quote (JustAskin @ May 01 2010,01:00) WJ, You suggested some time back something about God taking the form of man.
Since you are a 'Mighty God', why not demonstrate, yourself, a desire to take the form of 'a man' and become 'a man' and take your defeat with honour, since it is too much for you to take your defeat while you are in the form of a 'Mighty God'?
JAIt seems that you are the one that makes such claims…
Quote (JustAskin @ April 30 2010,03:12) Have you not known me all this time I have been with you. If you had known me, you would also have known He who is IN me for I am in Him, also. We are one, as the Scriptures say.
Those are your words aren't they?WJ
It seems to me that the name that means 'Jehovah Saves' would be a good name to include the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jehovah is the name of the Father and the Son in the OT and 'Jehovah Saves' is applicable to the Father and to the Son in the NT. They are all Jehovah Saves, the name above all names. The Son was given the Father's name.
WJ,
It appears your ability to misrepresent or misunderstand is your great strength.
What have I said in your quote that bothers you?
If you have the Holy Spirit, then God is in you and you are in Him.
You spit the quote out …for what reason… You just needed to bite back…how sad that you have falken so low off your lofty perch, eh?
Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2010,17:09) It seems to me that the name that means 'Jehovah Saves' would be a good name to include the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jehovah is the name of the Father and the Son in the OT and 'Jehovah Saves' is applicable to the Father and to the Son in the NT. They are all Jehovah Saves, the name above all names. The Son was given the Father's name.
Hi Kathi,Then why does Jesus say in Rev,
and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.?
peace and love,
mikeLU,
Have you also considered what the Scriptures also says: “Any man who leads another from the ways of sin 'Saves' his (the sinner) life covers a multitude of his own sins”(slight paraphrase)Only asking: Does the Holy Spirit 'save' or is it a 'means' by which we may be saved. Is there a verse that claims that the Holy Spirit 'saves'
What IS the Holy Spirit?
Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2010,17:09) It seems to me that the name that means 'Jehovah Saves' would be a good name to include the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jehovah is the name of the Father and the Son in the OT and 'Jehovah Saves' is applicable to the Father and to the Son in the NT. They are all Jehovah Saves, the name above all names. The Son was given the Father's name.
Hi LU,
Many the names of God's servants describe His abilities.
But God is not His own servant is He?To all,
Has anyone else noticed an unravelling of trinitarian falsity here in this forum?
TT is speaking Truth against his trinitarian belief.
WJ, has fallen from his lofty throne, but refuses to fall on his sword, as is traditional for fallen kings.
Others who have wierd ideology have been exposed as naive blunderings, couched in a single extracted and then falsely extrapolated verse.
For instance, one person believes we will all be saved irrespective of what we do. How can this be? Does that then not give licence to be as 'badass' as we like?
Another believes that Jesus is God with the Father and should be worshipped.
Where in the Scriptures does it say, 'worship Jesus'? Does it not say, 'Give glory to Christ' and in another place, 'Worship God'
Does it say, 'Worship Jesus, who is God.'?
Does it not say, 'Jesus is the ['begotten'] Son of God', does it not say that there are many 'sons of God', does it not say,'we [the elect] shall become 'Sons of God'? And if 'we' are Sons of God, and Jesus is Son of God and we should worship Jesus, who is the Son of God, as 'we' will be, then are we to worship ourselves?
Surely, out of all that, there is ONE that shall be worshipped: God the Father, and to Him, alone, do sacred service.
Phil 3:3 '…worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus…'And yet revelations comes from truly 'random'(slang: Confused) sources such as connections between words and numbers, yet to receive a credible methodology.
For instance: 2 Peter 3: 5-7. These numbers are sequential mathematical Prime Numbers!
What does … say: God created the heavens(note plural) and the earth by the power of His Word (…power of his word) which we all agree is 'he who became known as' Jesus Christ.
And by that same word is preserved.Now, who disputes that God created the heavens and the earth, and obviously all within? Is it not God, God Almighty, through His Mighty Word?
Is that Mighty Word a God, or rather, the expression of God's thought? The act upon which the thought is based?Now, does anyone dispute that the Word of God, that came from God and was With God, hence doing the Will of God, create the heavens and the earth, and obviously everything within?
And now, does anyone dispute that it is claimed that 'All things are to him, for him and sustained by him (him, being Jesus Christ), all things preserved by the Word of God?
Does that mean that the Word of God IS God?
It can certainly mean that 'the …Words…spoken by God are 'All powerful, above all other words, King, immuttable,etc' and in those terms, Yes. But that is not the question. Is the one perfectly carrying out that word (those words) himself God?
If it were so, how does a God stop being a God and become, ugh, flesh and blood, die and then be raised back to a God and more, raised to a position 'above' that which he left to become man?A God above All Gods, placed there by God Amighty himself, who is, himself, the God above all Gods …hmm… two Gods who are above each other…?Does Prime Number here reveal a Truth? Yes, most certainly.
But that truth could be arrived at by a common, everyday method of readingm understanding, remembering at the required time and, vocallising to refute or bolster a point from another.
How best can this be achieved?
By having the Holy Spirit of God, from God, through Christ. For did not Jesus say,'Ask in my name and I will send the spirit, who is the Comforter (That is the Reminder, the Strengthener, the understanderer, the teacher…) for [it],of itself, will not speak but take of what is mine and give it to you'(my paraphrase)So, what do we have:
Truth being unveiled;
Falsity exposed;
Qualification by 'greek' proof; Edjucation through numbers;
Belief through Faith and the power of God, through Christ, in the Holy Spirit…and these three agree as ONE in purpose, just as we agree with them in purpose and are ONE with and in them in purpose and them in us.Here endeth this mornings sermon…
Quote (JustAskin @ May 01 2010,01:37) LU,
Have you also considered what the Scriptures also says: “Any man who leads another from the ways of sin 'Saves' his (the sinner) life covers a multitude of his own sins”(slight paraphrase)Only asking: Does the Holy Spirit 'save' or is it a 'means' by which we may be saved. Is there a verse that claims that the Holy Spirit 'saves'
What IS the Holy Spirit?
JA,
See here and find my last post on this page to Gene.https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….;st=210
The name of the spirit within someone would be the name of the person that spirit is in. If someone is sensing the presence of Jehovah, they are referring to the Spirit of Jehovah and calling Him Jehovah.
You ask “does the Holy Spirit save?” The Holy Spirit definitely has a part in our salvation.
LU,
To echo what one man said elsewhere, [indirectly]”You have spoken well”
For, concerning the Name of the Holy Spirit, so I have responded to WJ in “JustAskin vrs WorshippingJesus”
However, please do not then consider the Holy Spirit as a person, as has been pointed out to you. I don't know if you did or did not but never the less.
The tree of the false Trinity doctrine has been felled, right here, in this very forum, (Praise Jah!)
And one of the fruits of this false tree is that the Holy Spirit is a Person – a God and yet not a God – a person and yet not a person – Personification but with no name!
Mighty God, WJ, claimed that it is 'Jesus' because “By what other name are we to be saved”.
My final response to you is as is written in the volumes of the Scriptures “Come out of her my children, lest you share in her iniquities” or, else,do not eat of the fruit of that fallen tree, its rotten fruit is indeed “Sweet in the mouth”: You will never be without a 'friend' when you feed them with a dish prepared with that fruit but do not think it is only you who feels worse for wares after – they will also but , leaning on their own 'doct-er-ine' will diagnose no problem and prepare a similar meal for you at another time and each time you all will be causing each other great harm, believing only in the “Sweetness in the mouth” and ignoring the “Sourness in the belly”
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2010,22:36) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 30 2010,18:00) Mike Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in “the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”: Matt 28:19
These are the words of Jesus.
Better than alluding to it, this verse has a singular name for three and all having the definite article.
Hi WJ,I wonder if that verse could mean, “in the name of the Father, and the name of the Son, and the name of the Holy Spirit.”
It is worded as such in Rev, where John says in New Jerusalem there will be the “throne of God, and of the Lamb.”
We could easily read this as only one throne, had we not previously been told there are two.
If I signed in for us at a busy restaurant, but thought we had a better chance to be called faster if I signed in under all of our names separately, would I be correct in saying I signed in under the name of WJ, and of Thinker, and of Mike? Would it mean we all had the same name?
The word “name” is singular” Mike. If the writer wanted to convey what you say then it would read as you say or read “In the Names” of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”, but it doesn't. Besides that would contradict what the Apostles did. They baptized in one name and there is only one name or authority that men can be saved. The key to Matt 28:19 is verse 18 when Jesus claims he has all authority The Apostles recognized that but apparently the ATs do not, or they just merely give lip service to that.Hebrew names also depicted the nature of the person.
At any rate my contention is that there is a Trinity spoken of by Jesus own words, but are they one or is there a difference in their respective nature or ontology? That is the question.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2010,22:36) One more thought: As you point out, Jesus is not recorded as using the divine name Jehovah in the NT, although it is in the LXX as the original Hebrew Tetragammation.
Yes it was translated as “kyrios” which is translated in English as “Lord”. Here is something to think about Mike, the word 'kyrios' Lord is found in the NT about 748 times and almost invariably it is in reference to Jesus. Including scriptures like this…But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the “Lord, (YHWH)” every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. Rom 14:10, 11
Paul here is ascribing the Tetragammation YHWH to Jesus by quoting Isa 45:23…
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 30 2010,22:36) Yet Jesus more than once speaks to the Father about “making his name known”. Since he wasn't obviously talking about the proper name of his Father, he must have been talking about the qualities of his Father, right? Like having a “good name”. So could your Scripture maybe be talking about “name” in that sense? peace and love,
mike
I have no problem with the quality of the Father being part of the name. The question, is the quality that is depicted less than who God is? If Jesus has the Fathers name then that would mean that every quality that the Father possesses would be the same qualities that Jesus and the Holy Spirit possess also.That’s equality, “E-quality” Mike.
WJ
Hi WJ,
YAHshua has his own name.
He came and worked in the name and authority of his God.
You claim to work in the name of Jesus do you not, yet you are not him are you?WJ,
Even a fish stops wriggling after it is caught on a hook and is held out of water.
But none the less.
Ascribing Old Testament saying to Christ in the manner that you present is truly digging deep into the barrel and still coming up with nothing.
For instance, When did Jesus Christ Swear by Himself.
God swears by Himself for there is no higher authority by which he could swear – and let us be clear – By Swear, it means make a proclamation that cannot be revoked.
God, indeed, will have every knee bow to him and every tongue confess:– Does Christ BOW HIS KNEE to God?
– Does Christ CONFESS God?– Does God confess Christ?
– Does God Bow his Knee to Christ?So, if God does not Bow his knee to Christ nor Confess Christ, then how do you say “Every Knee and Tongue” for Christ, as clearly God does not so Every does not mean Every where God is above like ALL does not include God where God is above.
For Christ, this means, every knee and Tongue of MANKIND and the Angels. – Praise, Honor, Glory (Wealth and Power)
– ha, WJ, why is Christ given Wealth and Power – and from whom?
For God, this Means, Jesus, The angels and Mankind – WORSHIPIn the name (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…The Bible tells us that the Father gave the Son His name and the Holy Spirit is the inner person of the Father and is referred to by the name of the Father. So, there is one name for the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, that doesn't make them equal or three individuals…they just have a common name.
Take for example the story of how John the Baptist was named:
Luke 1:57-63
57 Now the time had come for Elizabeth to give birth, and she gave birth to a son.
58 Her neighbors and her relatives heard that the Lord had displayed His great mercy toward her; and they were rejoicing with her.
59 And it happened that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child, and they were going to call him Zacharias, after his father.
60 But his mother answered and said, “No indeed; but he shall be called John.”
61 And they said to her, “There is no one among your relatives who is called by that name.”
62 And they made signs to his father, as to what he wanted him called.
63 And he asked for a tablet and wrote as follows, “His name is John.” And they were all astonished.
NASUIt was customary for a child to be named after their father. If John was call Zacharias, after his father, then the name (singular) of the father and of the son would be Zacharias, their common name. That didn't make the son equal to the father in every way, i.e. the son wasn't a priest or as old as his father, but they were both equally the same human nature.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 01 2010,01:28) Quote (Lightenup @ May 01 2010,17:09) It seems to me that the name that means 'Jehovah Saves' would be a good name to include the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jehovah is the name of the Father and the Son in the OT and 'Jehovah Saves' is applicable to the Father and to the Son in the NT. They are all Jehovah Saves, the name above all names. The Son was given the Father's name.
Hi Kathi,Then why does Jesus say in Rev,
and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.?
peace and love,
mike
Hi Mike,
Jesus got a new name when He came as a man. He went from Jehovah, as the Son, to Jehovah Saves, as the Messiah. We aren't told what His new name will be. The Father is called many names. We shall see what is written on us someday and we will be identified with those names.
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