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Hmmm. Apologies, of course I meant the third and last books. Exodus is just myth. Leviticus is evil. Revelation is horror-funny farm.
Stuart
Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,22:31) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,15:15) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,21:56) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,14:36) 94, So you sanction the killing of over 2 million people (including infants and children and not including the flood) in the OT?
Hi KJ:Show me the scriptures in context, and I will discuss it with you.
Hi KJ:These scriptures are too numerous for me to look at each one in context in one sitting (but I will take a look at each one), but rather than the word “killed”, when it comes to God's actions, against the wicked, I believe that the word would be “that he rendered judgment upon the wicked”.
And I don't have to justify what God has done. He is God and can do whatever He chooses to do, and sometimes, we may not understand, and so, we have to ask God for understanding.
Hehe, now we put conditions on the same end result? Dead is dead.Of course you don't have to justify because you cannot. You just whistle a tune a pretend it isn't in there.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,22:33) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,15:15) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,21:56) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,14:36) 94, So you sanction the killing of over 2 million people (including infants and children and not including the flood) in the OT?
Hi KJ:Show me the scriptures in context, and I will discuss it with you.
Hi,Kj,
It is hard to imagine anyone could go in search of things that oppose the ways of God and try to spread that evil.I guess you are another day closer to the truth.
So you don't care to address the various killings?Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,22:31) These scriptures are too numerous for me to look at each one in context in one sitting (but I will take a look at each one), but rather than the word “killed”, when it comes to God's actions, against the wicked, I believe that the word would be “that he rendered judgment upon the wicked”.
Yes, we know children who tease a prophet about his bald head are wicked!- 2Ki 2:23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!”
2Ki 2:24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.Quote (seek and you will find @ April 14 2008,22:30) Satan weiche.:blues: 
Why is pointing out the destruction wrought by Yahweh in the bible about “satan”?Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,15:33) [/quote]
Hi,Kj,
It is hard to imagine anyone could go in search of things that oppose the ways of God and try to spread that evil.I guess you are another day closer to the truth.
Hi Nick,You just reconfirmed my point exactly.
Where do you think things are written that oppose the ways of God?
It is the bible that writes these things that oppose the ways of God.Why do you honor them so and claim them to be the truth?
Tim
I watched a history channel reinactment of the exodus just the other day.
Joshua was standing outside of one of the cities that his army had just dessimated.
In front of him was a young woman holding the hand of her little girl.For a few minutes the mother and her daughter looked sadly at Joshua and he
looked back at them. Then in one swoop Joshua lopped off the mother's head.
As the mother fell her hand was pulled from the little girls hand. The little girl
looked sideways and watched her mother fall to the ground and then with
her mouth open looked back in shock at Joshua.
Joshua looked calmly back at the little girl and then again swung his sword and severed the little girl's
head.There is no way to sanitize this kind of butchery by saying that God was bringing judgement
on the wicked. The dramatic effect of seeing the action graphically made it even more
loathesome if that is possible.If in fact the Hebrews were truly guilty of this kind of atrocity then they had to be
the most wicked, cold blooded, hard hearted animals to inhabit the earth at that time.And they blamed it on God.
Tim
Tim,
Yahweh was a war god. But that was just the way of the world back then. People killed each other because real estate agents hadn't come along. So the easiest way to obtain land was to kill those who lived on it. They still do in some parts of the world.Tim,
This scene with Joshua -is it biblical?
Oh, God, I hope not!
I can't take much more of this.
Does anyone know a good Buddism site?
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 16 2008,05:15) Tim, This scene with Joshua -is it biblical?
Oh, God, I hope not!
I can't take much more of this.
Does anyone know a good Buddism site?
Yes Mandy, unfortunately it is biblical.
All you have to do is read through exodus, Numbers and Judges to see many of the atrocities that were commited by the biblical heroes.
I still remember singing Joshua fit the battle of Jericho and thinking he was really cool.Yes, Joshua killed everyone. Men, women and small children, supposedly because this is what God commanded.
So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Jos 10:40
And why did God command Joshua to kill all of them you might ask. Because they did not surrender themselves to the Hebrews, that is why.
And why did they not surrender thus perhaps saving themselves?For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, [and] that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses. Jos.11:20
Because God hardened their hearts so that He could have them all destroyed.
Makes sense to me, ………not.
Tim
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 16 2008,08:50) Hi KJ,
History is history.
God is God.
Any more qvestions?
Oh!!!
Now I understand.Tim
History IS history.
Now can we establish that the bible is history?
No…God IS God.
But can we establish that Yahweh is the appropriate representation of God?
I certainly hope not…Quote (TimothyVI @ April 16 2008,06:44) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 16 2008,05:15) Tim, This scene with Joshua -is it biblical?
Oh, God, I hope not!
I can't take much more of this.
Does anyone know a good Buddism site?
Yes Mandy, unfortunately it is biblical.
All you have to do is read through exodus, Numbers and Judges to see many of the atrocities that were commited by the biblical heroes.
I still remember singing Joshua fit the battle of Jericho and thinking he was really cool.Yes, Joshua killed everyone. Men, women and small children, supposedly because this is what God commanded.
So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Jos 10:40
And why did God command Joshua to kill all of them you might ask. Because they did not surrender themselves to the Hebrews, that is why.
And why did they not surrender thus perhaps saving themselves?For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, [and] that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses. Jos.11:20
Because God hardened their hearts so that He could have them all destroyed.
Makes sense to me, ………not.
Tim
I'm starting to understand Stu better with every one of these types of posts. I can see why folks choose to not believe in God.Hi Not3,
Has greater human “understanding” given you more peace or robbed you of it?
The way of God is of trust and thence comes wisdom and peace.Good question!
I'll have to say it's given me more peace to know that those things could not possibly be true of my God.
The way of God is trust.The way of the bible can be misleading if you take every word as the gospel.
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 15 2008,16:44) Quote (TimothyVI @ April 16 2008,06:44) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 16 2008,05:15) Tim, This scene with Joshua -is it biblical?
Oh, God, I hope not!
I can't take much more of this.
Does anyone know a good Buddism site?
Yes Mandy, unfortunately it is biblical.
All you have to do is read through exodus, Numbers and Judges to see many of the atrocities that were commited by the biblical heroes.
I still remember singing Joshua fit the battle of Jericho and thinking he was really cool.Yes, Joshua killed everyone. Men, women and small children, supposedly because this is what God commanded.
So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. Jos 10:40
And why did God command Joshua to kill all of them you might ask. Because they did not surrender themselves to the Hebrews, that is why.
And why did they not surrender thus perhaps saving themselves?For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, [and] that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses. Jos.11:20
Because God hardened their hearts so that He could have them all destroyed.
Makes sense to me, ………not.
Tim
I'm starting to understand Stu better with every one of these types of posts. I can see why folks choose to not believe in God.
I know of another forum site that predominantly consists of atheists in its membership. If you read through their posts, you'd find that the majority of them were Christians who stopped believing in God when they read the OT with an open mind.
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