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Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,13:05) Quote (seek and you will find @ April 14 2008,12:57) Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:32) Quote (seek and you will find @ April 14 2008,12:29) Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:20) This really gets me! When Christianity proclaims Christ as “looser”
Truth is.. its its own worst enemy
By what else should we go by if not by the word of God?
Ummm try shooting at the prophets that killed the prophets!its take skill!
Tell Me Charity How should I have responded to this reply that you made to my post. I found it sarcastic if you tell me to shoot the prophets. its take skill?
Symbolic, shoot at the words they left behind, and bound into a book called holy and pure.Thanks for allowing me to clear that up
Hi charity,
What sort of arrows would you use against the pure and eternal words of silver and gold?
clay?Hi charity,
Why do you hate what God calls holy?Luke 1:70
As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:Luke 1:72
To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;Acts 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.Romans 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.Romans 11:16
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.Quote (942767 @ April 13 2008,11:31) Suite yourself. End of converstion.
Were those questions a bit difficult? Shall we refer them to the Too Hard Basket?Stuart
Hi Samuel
Quote It's ok man, I don't expect you to just believe what someone says by now. I have learned from you that you are a person that needs to have all the facts…You most of the time look at “Face Value” Facts. In order for you to believe something you need to have it all laid out in a very descriptive fashion…as to explain the “Truth” that one might be trying to get you to believe.
Thank you for acknowledging my high standards of acceptance of truth claims. Any evidence for the truth of christianity would be a start. There is absolutely none. Not a scrap. It is not a matter of having all the facts laid out, it is a matter of there being no facts to lay out.Quote I can't do that for you. I just can't. I can't “Prove” anything for you. I do not have all the facts about GOD. I know what I think he wants me to know at this time. Most of which I have shared with you thus far.
Thank you for that honesty.Quote He can “Prove” himself to you though. And that might come sooner rather than later. Or, it might come later rather than sooner. But I can assure you just as sure as I'm breathing to type this reply …that day will come.
“He” is welcome to try. I, and billions of others, have heard nothing. It is another truth claim for which there is no evidence.Quote Now…I can also tell you some more “Gospel”…Or “Good News” as it were…
Please don’t tell me any more about the OT. That is all bad news! The stuff Saul of Tarsus wrote is obsessive and brutal too. It wold be interesting to know if Jesus actually did exist and what he really said. I don’t think anyone will ever know that, thanks to Paul and other pig-headed zealots.Quote So, long as you have not just come flat out to the conclusion that GOD does not exist …if you think there may just be the slight possibility in you mind that he does…there is still a whole lot of hope for you. There is actually still a whole lot of hope for you even if that is the case. So…don't get down in the pits Just keep searching for the TRUTH!
You know the answer to that!Stuart
Quote (seek and you will find @ April 13 2008,20:11) Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:20) This really gets me! When Christianity proclaims Christ as “looser”
Truth is.. its its own worst enemy
Charity Why is the truth its worst enemy? One day in the millenium all will know nothing but the truth, but right now not all have it all. All have some truth. When I can prove to myself that the trinity is wrong according to scripture I should just ignore it?
I think you hit a nail on the head, so to speak. In your mind, you've “proven” the trinity is not true. Yet all of your “proof” along with that of t8, Nick, martian, etc. have not “proven” it is false to WJ or Is1:18.It still comes down to what people accept as “truth” when it comes to religion.
Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,09:07) Quote (Cato @ April 14 2008,08:24) To be honest many of us consider it blasphemy to say the God condoned and ordered the death of infants, is capable of mistake, has regrets, is jealous. The Bible says these things, but my heart and mind both say they are false. How could a being with all the power and all the knowledge of creation, be jealous of anything or make mistakes? It is foolish in the exteme, yet you believe such, tell me who is truly being deceived?
Then you don't believe that the bible is the Word of God, and I happen to believe that it is, and though I value your opinion, it is what God thinks of me that ultimately matters.Have you been born again?
Yes, I suppose in the end it is what God thinks of all of us that counts.Now whether I have been born again; the usual litmus test for those of the true faith is it not? To separate the saved from the lost or doomed?
1. I can only atest and affirm with any certainty that I have been born once.
2. While I can speculate that we perhaps live many lives in many forms, and so would be born again that way, it is only an interesting hypothesis.
3. As for a basic spiritual transformation, yes I have had one, and I have felt the touch of what I view the divine spirit.My eyes were opened, but my reason was left intact and I still felt that much of scripture is myth and some downright mistake and distortion. The force I felt from God is far beyond the petty human attributes given to him by the OT. Can any say that a being having all power and knowledge could be jealous? Of what? Perfection does not make mistakes or have regrets, so the Bible, at least as far as the OT is therefore wrong.
Quote (Stu @ April 14 2008,21:17) Hi Samuel Quote It's ok man, I don't expect you to just believe what someone says by now. I have learned from you that you are a person that needs to have all the facts…You most of the time look at “Face Value” Facts. In order for you to believe something you need to have it all laid out in a very descriptive fashion…as to explain the “Truth” that one might be trying to get you to believe.
Thank you for acknowledging my high standards of acceptance of truth claims. Any evidence for the truth of christianity would be a start. There is absolutely none. Not a scrap. It is not a matter of having all the facts laid out, it is a matter of there being no facts to lay out.Quote I can't do that for you. I just can't. I can't “Prove” anything for you. I do not have all the facts about GOD. I know what I think he wants me to know at this time. Most of which I have shared with you thus far.
Thank you for that honesty.Quote He can “Prove” himself to you though. And that might come sooner rather than later. Or, it might come later rather than sooner. But I can assure you just as sure as I'm breathing to type this reply …that day will come.
“He” is welcome to try. I, and billions of others, have heard nothing. It is another truth claim for which there is no evidence.Quote Now…I can also tell you some more “Gospel”…Or “Good News” as it were…
Please don’t tell me any more about the OT. That is all bad news! The stuff Saul of Tarsus wrote is obsessive and brutal too. It wold be interesting to know if Jesus actually did exist and what he really said. I don’t think anyone will ever know that, thanks to Paul and other pig-headed zealots.Quote So, long as you have not just come flat out to the conclusion that GOD does not exist …if you think there may just be the slight possibility in you mind that he does…there is still a whole lot of hope for you. There is actually still a whole lot of hope for you even if that is the case. So…don't get down in the pits Just keep searching for the TRUTH!
You know the answer to that!Stuart
Greetings Stu….Iam not sure you comprehend the concept of God Is….Let me start by saying, this is the creator of all that is….I don't know about you,but,it took me along time to realize or comprehend the power of God….His ways are higher than ours…to put it in the venacular he forget every thing we think we know…He doesn't have to prove anything,if we humble ourselves and seek his wisdom we will be shown the way to peace which will lead to untold knowledge of all things….and the irony of it all is it doesn't matter whether you believe or not…..Quote (Stu @ April 14 2008,21:05) Quote (942767 @ April 13 2008,11:31) Suite yourself. End of converstion.
Were those questions a bit difficult? Shall we refer them to the Too Hard Basket?Stuart
No, the questions are not too difficult, although I may not immediately have an answer to all of them, but I said what I did because you blaspheme God and then go about making jokes about it, and if you are going to do that, then I don't want to have a conversation with you about any of this.You may legitimate questions, and frankly, I learn when I have to study and ask God for understanding to your questions, and so if are willing to show some respect for my God then go ahead and ask, and I will give you an answer to the best of my ability, but if you will not show respect for Him, then I don't want to hold a conversation with you.
Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,19:23) Quote (Stu @ April 14 2008,21:05) Quote (942767 @ April 13 2008,11:31) Suite yourself. End of converstion.
Were those questions a bit difficult? Shall we refer them to the Too Hard Basket?Stuart
No, the questions are not too difficult, although I may not immediately have an answer to all of them, but I said what I did because you blaspheme God and then go about making jokes about it, and if you are going to do that, then I don't want to have a conversation with you about any of this.You may legitimate questions, and frankly, I learn when I have to study and ask God for understanding to your questions, and so if are willing to show some respect for my God then go ahead and ask, and I will give you an answer to the best of my ability, but if you will not show respect for Him, then I don't want to hold a conversation with you.
People still don't understand atheism. How can Stu blaspheme something he does not believe in?Quote (kejonn @ April 14 2008,23:05) Quote (seek and you will find @ April 13 2008,20:11) Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:20) This really gets me! When Christianity proclaims Christ as “looser”
Truth is.. its its own worst enemy
Charity Why is the truth its worst enemy? One day in the millenium all will know nothing but the truth, but right now not all have it all. All have some truth. When I can prove to myself that the trinity is wrong according to scripture I should just ignore it?
I think you hit a nail on the head, so to speak. In your mind, you've “proven” the trinity is not true. Yet all of your “proof” along with that of t8, Nick, martian, etc. have not “proven” it is false to WJ or Is1:18.It still comes down to what people accept as “truth” when it comes to religion.
Guilt motivates the heart to action,
For we all have our own Law of Right and wrong withinAnd from there external laws given sow heavy yokes, and standards that Which the average human was never designed to endure, yet then struggling to be perfect enough to escape the guilt sensation they are found drowning.
In their own pride.Health and joy unto all mankind,
give up the ghost!charity
Hi Charity,
The inner law of natural man is corrupted.
1 Timothy 4:2
Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.Quote (Cato @ April 14 2008,23:48) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,09:07) Quote (Cato @ April 14 2008,08:24) To be honest many of us consider it blasphemy to say the God condoned and ordered the death of infants, is capable of mistake, has regrets, is jealous. The Bible says these things, but my heart and mind both say they are false. How could a being with all the power and all the knowledge of creation, be jealous of anything or make mistakes? It is foolish in the exteme, yet you believe such, tell me who is truly being deceived?
Then you don't believe that the bible is the Word of God, and I happen to believe that it is, and though I value your opinion, it is what God thinks of me that ultimately matters.Have you been born again?
Yes, I suppose in the end it is what God thinks of all of us that counts.Now whether I have been born again; the usual litmus test for those of the true faith is it not? To separate the saved from the lost or doomed?
1. I can only atest and affirm with any certainty that I have been born once.
2. While I can speculate that we perhaps live many lives in many forms, and so would be born again that way, it is only an interesting hypothesis.
3. As for a basic spiritual transformation, yes I have had one, and I have felt the touch of what I view the divine spirit.My eyes were opened, but my reason was left intact and I still felt that much of scripture is myth and some downright mistake and distortion. The force I felt from God is far beyond the petty human attributes given to him by the OT. Can any say that a being having all power and knowledge could be jealous? Of what? Perfection does not make mistakes or have regrets, so the Bible, at least as far as the OT is therefore wrong.
Hi Cato:My eyes too are open, and I know that God is a reality and that His testimony regarding Jesus is true through His Spirit that dwells within.
I have had to ask God for understanding many times in both the OT and the NT, and especially, the OT, but no, I don't believe that it is wrong. I do believe that men made errors along the way through translation and in recording what God said, but I do not believe that it is wrong, because many scriptures in the OT relate to the coming of God's Christ.
Quote Isa 28:10 For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little: We learn about God's plan for the redemption mankind through both the OT and the NT.
94,
So you sanction the killing of over 2 million people (including infants and children and not including the flood) in the OT?
Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,14:36) 94, So you sanction the killing of over 2 million people (including infants and children and not including the flood) in the OT?
Hi KJ:Show me the scriptures in context, and I will discuss it with you.
Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,21:56) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,14:36) 94, So you sanction the killing of over 2 million people (including infants and children and not including the flood) in the OT?
Hi KJ:Show me the scriptures in context, and I will discuss it with you.
Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,15:15) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,21:56) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,14:36) 94, So you sanction the killing of over 2 million people (including infants and children and not including the flood) in the OT?
Hi KJ:Show me the scriptures in context, and I will discuss it with you.
Hi KJ:These scriptures are too numerous for me to look at each one in context in one sitting (but I will take a look at each one), but rather than the word “killed”, when it comes to God's actions, against the wicked, I believe that the word would be “that he rendered judgment upon the wicked”.
And I don't have to justify what God has done. He is God and can do whatever He chooses to do, and sometimes, we may not understand, and so, we have to ask God for understanding.
Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,15:15) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,21:56) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,14:36) 94, So you sanction the killing of over 2 million people (including infants and children and not including the flood) in the OT?
Hi KJ:Show me the scriptures in context, and I will discuss it with you.
Hi,Kj,
It is hard to imagine anyone could go in search of things that oppose the ways of God and try to spread that evil.I guess you are another day closer to the truth.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,15:33) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,15:15) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,21:56) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,14:36) 94, So you sanction the killing of over 2 million people (including infants and children and not including the flood) in the OT?
Hi KJ:Show me the scriptures in context, and I will discuss it with you.
Hi,Kj,
It is hard to imagine anyone could go in search of things that oppose the ways of God and try to spread that evil.I guess you are another day closer to the truth.
It is hard to imagine anyone needing to go to great lengths. All you have to do is read the second and last books to get the gist.Stuart
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