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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,09:18) Hi 94,
It seems there are now crowds jostling to walk out of the safety of faith into blasphemy.
Will there be faith on earth when Jesus returns?
Hi Nick:Thank God, yes there will be in spite of everything.
Quote Rev 7:9 ¶ After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, [be] unto our God for ever and ever. AmenQuote (942767 @ April 14 2008,05:53) Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.This is how I define wicked:
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, BECAUSE HE HATH NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
Jhn 3:19 AND THIS IS THE CONDEMNATION, THAT LIGHT IS COME INTO THE WORLD, AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS RATHER THAN LIGHT, BECAUSE THEIR DEED WERE EVIL.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; BECAUSE HE BELIEVETH NOT THE RECORD THAT GOD GAVE HIS SON.
And blaspheming God and then making jokes about it, and destroying the faith of those who are not grounded in the faith by teaching them contrary to what the Lord Jesus has taught them.
94, ONLY BEGOTTON SOn…Unique to one gospal onlyObserve this arm wrestle!
I’m telling you the Godspill of John, dose no support John the Baptist eg (Elijah returned) or there would be Gods begotten sonS, the whole Godspill is to confuse the cotton soaks while chasing a tail sheding more innocent blood upon blood.
second hand words , only saying… HE saidQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,11:34) Hi charity,
He said ..better than… you said?
every time.
My quote, Ok, I’m afraid if incorruptible was were permitted…?
You would still be here in 2000 yrs time, trying to make the “he said” happen Nick
Sounds like hellWhy dose…truth have to become as the problem I don’t know
Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,11:15) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,05:53) Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.This is how I define wicked:
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, BECAUSE HE HATH NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
Jhn 3:19 AND THIS IS THE CONDEMNATION, THAT LIGHT IS COME INTO THE WORLD, AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS RATHER THAN LIGHT, BECAUSE THEIR DEED WERE EVIL.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT GOD HATH MADE HIM A LIAR; BECAUSE HE BELIEVETH NOT THE RECORD THAT GOD GAVE HIS SON.
And blaspheming God and then making jokes about it, and destroying the faith of those who are not grounded in the faith by teaching them contrary to what the Lord Jesus has taught them.
94, ONLY BEGOTTON SOn…Unique to one gospal onlyObserve this arm wrestle!
I’m telling you the Godspill of John, dose no support John the Baptist eg (Elijah returned) or there would be Gods begotten sonS, the whole Godspill is to confuse the cotton soaks while chasing a tail sheding more innocent blood upon blood.
second hand words , only saying… HE said
Hi Charity:Quote Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. John the Baptist was a prophet and he was filled with the Holy Ghost from the womb (the bible states), but he was not begotten of God. He had not been born again because the blood of Jesus which is the propitiation for our sins had not been shed.
There is ONE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, JESUS THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD AND HIS CHRIST, and THERE NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN WHEREBY MAN CAN BE SAVED.
Quote 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself(I have this witness. Do you?): he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. You MAY Have missed the symbolic fallen stars?
Due to the rejecting off, words catapult them off into the universe future for another coming, and replace the system with the unique comforterLeast at this time of Day, its all chatter
Charity! According to prophecy that is not going to happen. Do you know why you can depend on the Word of God in the Bible is because some of that Prophecy has already come true. Now we are waiting for the rest to happen, and my believe is that it will. So all the truth will cover the earth like water covers the sea. Right now God only chooses a few that will understand, and the rest of Mankind is in total confusion, with many different religion all over the world. God has confused their language at one time for a reason, but in the end times knowledge will increase and some will understand. Then the end will come and all will have a chance to know the truth nothing but the truth.
My Husband has a really good article on some of that. Let me hunt it up and I will post it next.
Love IreneHi! It is also rather long, but worth reading it.
What is wrong here?
If you ever had to ask this question it would have been because you realized something was wrong but you didn’t know what; and you would have investigated to find the problem and fixed it. So shouldn’t we all wonder why it is that in spite of all the preaching from the pulpits, that in spite of all the churches that are being built, which should indicate that more people are going to church, that in spite of 80% Americans professing to be Christians; we are loosing ground?
We are loosing to the A C L U,
We are loosing to the homosexuals,
We are loosing to the pornographers,
We are loosing to the criminals, not to mention to a secular government.
Does anyone have a clue? I mean, if 80% of the people of a nation are praying to God; would you not think that he would hear us? But the fact is, that instead of things getting better, they are getting worse; and instead of thinking well, there is nothing I can do about it, should we not rather ask the question: WHAT IS WRONG HERE?
Everybody knows, that when you build something and it does not work, you go “back to the drawing board”, you start again from the beginning. And that is exactly what we “Christians” have to do, go back to the bible and see where we went wrong. Most, if not all people know what a bible is; most people have a copy, fewer then most have read it. If you are a bible reader, what is the bible to you? Why do you read it? Why do we say the bible is the written word of God, and then don’t believe what it says? It is the only book that teaches us about God; after all, who but God could teach us about him. We have on our money printed “In God we trust”; but do we believe his word, the bible? What do I mean? Have you ever noticed that your bible teaches one thing and man another? Have you ever wondered why we have so many denominations? Do you thing that is good? Should not all churches be teaching the same doctrine? Listen what Paul says.
1 Cor. 14:33 “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”
1 Cor. 3:1 “And I, bretheren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto
carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.”
v. 2 “I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear
it, neither yet now are ye able.”
v. 3 “For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?”
v. 4 “For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?”
I am a Catholic; I am a Lutheran; I am a Protestant, Baptist, etc, etc. Do we not all serve the same Lord? People used to stay with whatever denomination they had grown up with, that is no longer true either. People not only change churches, they change denominations, why is that? I can only guess, and my guess is this. When you go to a restaurant and you don’t like the food there, you go to another, and you keep on looking till you find the one that has the best food. People are hungry for spiritual food; they are hungry for truth, for honest answers to their questions. As I have already mentioned in my foreword, religion has become a business, a very profitable one at that. Churchgoers are treaded like shoppers, give them what they want, and they become your customers. Which, I think, explains the increase of none denominational churches. How many churches did Jesus Christ start? Paul in his letters to the churches addressed them according to their geographical location, but they were all churches of God. God gave us one church and one bible. The Bible is our manual; God provided it for us, his creation, so that we can check it out when things go wrong to distinguish what needs fixing. It should be our warning light that something is wrong. If we ignore the light, the problem can only get worse; and that is where we are today. We have in fact ignored the light for decades and things have gone from bad to worse to where our problems now threaten to overtake us. There is just one problem with all that; in order to fix a problem, you first have to admit, there is a problem. You might even have to admit that you are part of the problem. This is not something someone else can fix for you.
YOU need to check your Manual.
YOU need to go back to the drawing board.
YOU need to ask questions like: why is God teaching one thing, and man another? And right there is where the problem lies! We are contradicting God! Impossible? Why is Jesus telling us?
Mat. 15:9 “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments
of men”
Why did Jesus say that? Do we even know what the commandments of men are? When you read your bible; do you even notice the contradiction? We seem to have no problem believing men, why is that? Could it be we don’t know the doctrines of God? If we don’t believe God’s Word do we not call God a lair? Do we begin to see where the problem lies? Jesus told us:
John 4:23 “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”
v. 24 “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
If you don’t believe the truth, you don’t have the truth, if you don’t have the truth you worship in vain. Making a show on Sunday is not what its all about. God was very precise in his instructions in the O.T., those that ignored them were severely punished, for instant.
Gen. 2:16 “And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat.”
v. 17 “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Whatever Adam was thinking, whether he understood the meaning of death or not, he did understand the command of God don’t eat of that tree.
Lev. 10:1 “And Nadab and Abi’hu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.”
v. 2 “And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.”
When God gives a command, we better listen.
Num. 20:7 “And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying.”
v. 8 “Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes;…”
v. 11 “And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice:…”
v. 12 “And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.”
Deut. 34:4 “And the LORD said unto him, this is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.”
v. 5 “So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.”
Just one more example to show how serious God is when he gives a command.
2 Sam. 6:6 “And when they came to Na’chon’s threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it.”
v. 7 “And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God.”
In each instant, God had given precise instructions, which were not followed, and death was the punishment. We are not left without instructions either, God has not left it up to the individual, or even a church how to worship him, if we ignore his command, we too will pay the
price.
Is. 8:20 “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, it is
because there is no light (understanding) in them.”
Daniel was given much information for the end time, he wanted to know what it all meant and was told;
Dan. 12:4 “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time
of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.”
If nothing else could proof to us that we are in the end time, the increase in knowledge should do it. The computer alone is an incredible machine. But does this increase of knowledge also include understanding of the Word of God? If it did should not all ministers preach the same? If men of God all have the Holy Spirit, should they not all have the same understanding?
Is. 5:21 “Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own
sight.”
Where do you go to get understanding of the scripture? Do you go to a College or University? A Seminar? And who is teaching there? Scholars, Professors, Theologians, in other words, Men! And what do they teach there? the commandments of men. Where does wisdom and understanding come from?
1 Ki. 3:5 “In Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon in a dream by night: and God said, ask what I shall give thee.”
v. 9 “Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I
may discern between good and bad…”
1 Ki. 4:29 “And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much…”
Jesus told us there are three things we need to do for God to give us understanding and wisdom.
Luke 11:9 “And I say unto you, ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.”
v. 10 “For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.”
Our sincere prayer is the knock on God’s door; it will get His attention. We have the advice form James.
Ja. 1:5 “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally,
and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.”
And Jesus’ promise;
Luke 11:13 “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children:
how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask
him.”
It is only with the help of the Holy Spirit that you can expect to find what you’re seeking, understanding of the word of God. Look around, is this the answer to your prayer? We are too confident in those that teach us. Think about it, the Bereans checked out the Apostles.
Acts 17:10 “And the bretheren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto
Bere’a; who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.”
v. 11 “These were more noble than those in Thessaloni’ ca, in that they received the
word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether
those things were so.”
They received the word with readiness, but then searched the scriptures daily if those things were so. DO YOU? It is after all, your responsibility. Whatever needs correcting in our nation, can only be corrected with the help of the Holy Spirit. Paul lays it all out in 1 Cor. 2:1-16, please read it in your bible. Paul was an educated man, a Pharisee, yet he did not try to impress the people with fancy talk, showing off his smarts; instead he came to them in fear and trembling, not because he was scared of them, but rather because he was very much aware of his calling and his responsibility, of the burden he carried to be accurate and truthful in his teaching. That their faith would be in the wisdom of God, and not in the convincing words of his. God does tell us what he requires of us.
Micah 6:9 “He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?”
To do what God requires from us is not only good advise, but it is also a warning.
Zeph. 2:3 “Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness; it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD’s anger.”
God never breaks a promise, but he may relent from a threat; read the book of Jonah. What happened to the nation Israel long ago, don’t have to happen to us.
Hosea 4:6 “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because thou has rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee…”
God does not play games; he says what he means and he means what he says. He does not care to be politically correct; you can’t plea-bargain with him, neither does he listen to Lobbyists. He has given us his word, the bible, and stands by it. By not taking God serious we only show what fools we are.
These studies are easy to read and understand; you don’t have to be a Scholar,
I’m not, or a College graduate, neither am I. Consider what the bible says about the Apostles Peter and John.
Acts 4:13 “Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they
were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of
them , that they had been with Jesus.”
This is not to say that the Apostles were stupid, they had a trade, they were fishermen, but they had no schooling or training as the professional teachers of the law, like the Pharisees, the Sanhedrin or the Scribes. If you read with a desire for truth, and truth does not offend you, God will do the rest. Let me remind you what Paul said.
1 Cor. 1:19 “For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to
nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
v. 20 “Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world?
Hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?”
v. 25 “Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God
is stronger than men.”
v. 26 “For ye see your calling, bretheren, how that not many wise men after the flesh,
not many mighty, not many noble, are called.”
v. 27 “But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and
God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are
mighty.”
How serious do you take the bible? How serious do you take God?
Deut. 30:15 “See, I have set before thee this day life and good and death and evil.”
How will you choose?
The choice is yours the time is very short.Love Irene
This really gets me!
When Christianity proclaims Christ as “looser”
Truth is.. its its own worst enemy
charity,April wrote:This really gets me!
When Christianity proclaims Christ as “looser.
I am with Jesus Christ my Savior and He will not loose me that is His promise.
Peace Irene
Quote (seek and you will find @ April 14 2008,12:29) Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:20) This really gets me! When Christianity proclaims Christ as “looser”
Truth is.. its its own worst enemy
By what else should we go by if not by the word of God?
Ummm try shooting at the prophets that killed the prophets!its take skill!
Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:04) You MAY Have missed the symbolic fallen stars?
Due to the rejecting off, words catapult them off into the universe future for another coming, and replace the system with the unique comforterLeast at this time of Day, its all chatter
Hi charity,
You mean these angelic stars?
Jude
6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.Hi charity,
Christ died before the eyes of creation but the Son was raised as conqueror of those
who believed death would allow them to inherit the Vineyard owner's estate.Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:32) Quote (seek and you will find @ April 14 2008,12:29) Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:20) This really gets me! When Christianity proclaims Christ as “looser”
Truth is.. its its own worst enemy
By what else should we go by if not by the word of God?
Ummm try shooting at the prophets that killed the prophets!its take skill!
Being sarcastic is not the answer Charity, why are you so angry, at Christians I asked that on the other tread. What do you believe in, if not the Bible? In the New Age Religion? Love and let Love.
Peace to you and may God Bless you Charity.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,12:36) Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:04) You MAY Have missed the symbolic fallen stars?
Due to the rejecting off, words catapult them off into the universe future for another coming, and replace the system with the unique comforterLeast at this time of Day, its all chatter
Hi charity,
You mean these angelic stars?
Jude
6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Yes if you did not receive Elijah, there is no way you shall consider the wicked in his deliberate way that sit himself beside you at church, here afterLet me remind you I am reading the hearts of the writers at this time, this may not be what I myself chose believe
Quote (seek and you will find @ April 14 2008,12:39) Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:32) Quote (seek and you will find @ April 14 2008,12:29) Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:20) This really gets me! When Christianity proclaims Christ as “looser”
Truth is.. its its own worst enemy
By what else should we go by if not by the word of God?
Ummm try shooting at the prophets that killed the prophets!its take skill!
Being sarcastic is not the answer Charity, why are you so angry, at Christians I asked that on the other tread. What do you believe in, if not the Bible? In the New Age Religion? Love and let Love.
Peace to you and may God Bless you Charity.
That just it mrs,Some are passed off as sarcastic, for just undoing the damage of the destructive tongue
Here by it costs you friends, and you appear disruptive and rude and disrespectful
twisted Love and hatred
Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:32) Quote (seek and you will find @ April 14 2008,12:29) Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:20) This really gets me! When Christianity proclaims Christ as “looser”
Truth is.. its its own worst enemy
By what else should we go by if not by the word of God?
Ummm try shooting at the prophets that killed the prophets!its take skill!
Tell Me Charity How should I have responded to this reply that you made to my post. I found it sarcastic if you tell me to shoot the prophets. its take skill?Quote (seek and you will find @ April 14 2008,12:57) Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:32) Quote (seek and you will find @ April 14 2008,12:29) Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:20) This really gets me! When Christianity proclaims Christ as “looser”
Truth is.. its its own worst enemy
By what else should we go by if not by the word of God?
Ummm try shooting at the prophets that killed the prophets!its take skill!
Tell Me Charity How should I have responded to this reply that you made to my post. I found it sarcastic if you tell me to shoot the prophets. its take skill?
Symbolic, shoot at the words they left behind, and bound into a book called holy and pure.Thanks for allowing me to clear that up
Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:04) You MAY Have missed the symbolic fallen stars?
Due to the rejecting off, words catapult them off into the universe future for another coming, and replace the system with the unique comforterLeast at this time of Day, its all chatter
Hi Charity:If you would stop speaking in riddles and state what you mean so that someone can understand what you are saying, maybe we can have a conversation.
Quote (charity @ April 14 2008,12:20) This really gets me! When Christianity proclaims Christ as “looser”
Truth is.. its its own worst enemy
Charity Why is the truth its worst enemy? One day in the millenium all will know nothing but the truth, but right now not all have it all. All have some truth. When I can prove to myself that the trinity is wrong according to scripture I should just ignore it?
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