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Quote (Stu @ April 12 2008,09:49) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,09:39) The scriptures are both literal and symbolic, and through symbolism we can see God's plan for the redemption of His children from the consequence of sin.
How can you tell which bits are symbolic?
Was the flood symbolic or did it actually happen?Stuart
Hi Stu:It is both literal and symbolic. The Ark through which Noah and his family, eight people, were saved is symbolic of the body of Christ through which those in the body of Christ will be saved. The number eight is also symbolic of a new beginning. It is through Noah and his family that the world was repopulated after the flood, and thus a new beginning.
When a Christian is born again, he also has a new beginning.
Quote 1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,11:33) Quote (Stu @ April 12 2008,09:49) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,09:39) The scriptures are both literal and symbolic, and through symbolism we can see God's plan for the redemption of His children from the consequence of sin.
How can you tell which bits are symbolic?
Was the flood symbolic or did it actually happen?Stuart
Hi Stu:It is both literal and symbolic. The Ark through which Noah and his family, eight people, were saved is symbolic of the body of Christ through which those in the body of Christ will be saved. The number eight is also symbolic of a new beginning. It is through Noah and his family that the world was repopulated after the flood, and thus a new beginning.
When a Christian is born again, he also has a new beginning.
Quote 1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
So given that there was no worldwide flood and no need for an ark, where does that leave the credibility of that interpretation?Stuart
Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,11:33) It is through Noah and his family that the world was repopulated after the flood, and thus a new beginning.
It's interesting that the brother's went different ways and different people were formed through them. Interesting how it seemed that when they arrived in these regions, there were people already there?Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,11:37) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,11:33) It is through Noah and his family that the world was repopulated after the flood, and thus a new beginning.
It's interesting that the brother's went different ways and different people were formed through them. Interesting how it seemed that when they arrived in these regions, there were people already there?
Including the Nephilium!Stuart
Quote (Stu @ April 12 2008,11:38) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,11:37) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,11:33) It is through Noah and his family that the world was repopulated after the flood, and thus a new beginning.
It's interesting that the brother's went different ways and different people were formed through them. Interesting how it seemed that when they arrived in these regions, there were people already there?
Including the Nephilium!Stuart
Actually, according to the story, the Neph's were one of the reason the flood came – so I'm pretty sure they got wiped out.Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,11:50) Quote (Stu @ April 12 2008,11:38) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,11:37) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,11:33) It is through Noah and his family that the world was repopulated after the flood, and thus a new beginning.
It's interesting that the brother's went different ways and different people were formed through them. Interesting how it seemed that when they arrived in these regions, there were people already there?
Including the Nephilium!Stuart
Actually, according to the story, the Neph's were one of the reason the flood came – so I'm pretty sure they got wiped out.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Revised standard edition uses “Nephilim”:
Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
Num.13:33 And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim); and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.
Maybe the Nephilim were tall enough to hold their heads above the floodwaters?!
Stuart
{David you might note the use of the word 'days'.}
Quote That's just it David. Until some point in history, the bible was NOT that widely distributed. You want to take its distribution today as a measuring stick, but I can come back and say that there has never been a time where the Koran or Book of Mormon has ever be more accessible. –kejonn
True, there were times when we didn't have the Bible.
“True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance, yet now he is telling mankind that they should all everywhere repent. 31 Because he has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead.”–Acts.
In acts 1:8, the discipels were told they would preach in all the earth.
Similarly mat 28:19,20, and mat 24:14.And yes, there has never been a time where the koran or whatever have been more accessable, because of modern printing, but how much of the world has the koran available compared to the bible?
Sorry, a bit rushed, must go.
Quote (Stu @ April 12 2008,11:56) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,11:50) Quote (Stu @ April 12 2008,11:38) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,11:37) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,11:33) It is through Noah and his family that the world was repopulated after the flood, and thus a new beginning.
It's interesting that the brother's went different ways and different people were formed through them. Interesting how it seemed that when they arrived in these regions, there were people already there?
Including the Nephilium!Stuart
Actually, according to the story, the Neph's were one of the reason the flood came – so I'm pretty sure they got wiped out.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Revised standard edition uses “Nephilim”:
Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.
Num.13:33 And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim); and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.
Maybe the Nephilim were tall enough to hold their heads above the floodwaters?!
Stuart
{David you might note the use of the word 'days'.}
Stu,
They died in the flood.The ref tying the Anakites to the Neph's giants who perished in the flood, is an exaggeration by the fearful spies.
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,12:08) Stu,
They died in the flood.The ref tying the Anakites to the Neph's giants who perished in the flood, is an exaggeration by the fearful spies.
Fair enough!We are discussing a mythological story, so I suppose it makes little difference!
Stuart
Quote (david @ April 11 2008,19:01) Quote That's just it David. Until some point in history, the bible was NOT that widely distributed. You want to take its distribution today as a measuring stick, but I can come back and say that there has never been a time where the Koran or Book of Mormon has ever be more accessible. –kejonn
True, there were times when we didn't have the Bible.
“True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance, yet now he is telling mankind that they should all everywhere repent. 31 Because he has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead.”–Acts.
In acts 1:8, the discipels were told they would preach in all the earth.
Similarly mat 28:19,20, and mat 24:14.
How were a handful of disciples with no modern means of travel supposed to spread the gospel to the whole world? Just another example of ancient men believing that their little corner of the world is ALL of the world.Quote And yes, there has never been a time where the koran or whatever have been more accessable, because of modern printing, but how much of the world has the koran available compared to the bible? Sorry, a bit rushed, must go.
Glad to see your sense that your reasoning is not valid.Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,11:37) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,11:33) It is through Noah and his family that the world was repopulated after the flood, and thus a new beginning.
It's interesting that the brother's went different ways and different people were formed through them. Interesting how it seemed that when they arrived in these regions, there were people already there?
Hi Mandy:I wasn't aware that there were already people there. Please show me by the scriptures what you mean by this. Perhaps, I have missed something.
Hi KJ,
It has happened.
Did you not hear the good news?
Rom10
18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,14:44) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,11:37) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,11:33) It is through Noah and his family that the world was repopulated after the flood, and thus a new beginning.
It's interesting that the brother's went different ways and different people were formed through them. Interesting how it seemed that when they arrived in these regions, there were people already there?
Hi Mandy:I wasn't aware that there were already people there. Please show me by the scriptures what you mean by this. Perhaps, I have missed something.
There has been an Aboriginal population in Australia for at least 40,000 years. There still is. You won't find that in scripture.Stuart
Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,14:44) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,11:37) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,11:33) It is through Noah and his family that the world was repopulated after the flood, and thus a new beginning.
It's interesting that the brother's went different ways and different people were formed through them. Interesting how it seemed that when they arrived in these regions, there were people already there?
Hi Mandy:I wasn't aware that there were already people there. Please show me by the scriptures what you mean by this. Perhaps, I have missed something.
Hi bro,I have a huge timline/map that is currently in storage due to our construction. I'll go look for it this weekend. But it shows how the brothers stemmed off and went to different parts of the world and peoples were formed through them. Make note that Asians, Blacks and all nations came from the same boys according to the creation story….interesting isn't it? How do you think that happened? If you start out with one nationality of people you will breed the same race (take Korea for example they are, for the most part, a pure race). You see where I am going with this?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2008,23:12) Hi KJ,
It has happened.
Did you not hear the good news?
Rom10
18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
I heard it. I even thought at once it was “good news”. But then I started seeing what kind of dad Jesus supposedly had…then the news didn't seem as good anymore.Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,17:49) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,14:44) Quote (Not3in1 @ April 12 2008,11:37) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,11:33) It is through Noah and his family that the world was repopulated after the flood, and thus a new beginning.
It's interesting that the brother's went different ways and different people were formed through them. Interesting how it seemed that when they arrived in these regions, there were people already there?
Hi Mandy:I wasn't aware that there were already people there. Please show me by the scriptures what you mean by this. Perhaps, I have missed something.
Hi bro,I have a huge timline/map that is currently in storage due to our construction. I'll go look for it this weekend. But it shows how the brothers stemmed off and went to different parts of the world and peoples were formed through them. Make note that Asians, Blacks and all nations came from the same boys according to the creation story….interesting isn't it? How do you think that happened? If you start out with one nationality of people you will breed the same race (take Korea for example they are, for the most part, a pure race). You see where I am going with this?
Thanks Mandy:I'm interested in hearing from you regarding this subject. I wasn't aware that the Korean people were a pure race of people.
God Bless
Quote (Stu @ April 12 2008,11:36) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,11:33) Quote (Stu @ April 12 2008,09:49) Quote (942767 @ April 12 2008,09:39) The scriptures are both literal and symbolic, and through symbolism we can see God's plan for the redemption of His children from the consequence of sin.
How can you tell which bits are symbolic?
Was the flood symbolic or did it actually happen?Stuart
Hi Stu:It is both literal and symbolic. The Ark through which Noah and his family, eight people, were saved is symbolic of the body of Christ through which those in the body of Christ will be saved. The number eight is also symbolic of a new beginning. It is through Noah and his family that the world was repopulated after the flood, and thus a new beginning.
When a Christian is born again, he also has a new beginning.
Quote 1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
So given that there was no worldwide flood and no need for an ark, where does that leave the credibility of that interpretation?Stuart
Hi Stu:The fact that there is symbolism which relates to a person being “born again” in the biblical account of the flood and also the exodus leads me to believe that these were literal events.
I cannot deny my born again experience and the fact that God has completely changed my character for the better since that experience.
These events were recorded prior to the NT which also speaks of the born again experience, and so, you may say the NT was made to coincide with what the OT symbolically states about the born again experience, and I guess that would be a possibility except it has also been written in my heart.
The changed life of a born again believer is the best testimony that God is a reality and that the testimony regarding His Son and His Christ is true.
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