Doubt

[kejonn]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,20:11)

Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,18:53) Hi KJ, I love it and the reflective unity it shows with the NT. The OT Law applies to those to whom it was given. Rom3 19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Jesus came to his own. He even called a gentile woman a dog. Hi KJ, Quite so. And much of what he taught was to the Jews about the law. Then the door was opened to the gentiles.

How can you be sure? Since Paul never met Jesus, how can we be sure he didn't encounter “satan” on the Damascus road? Paul didn't seem to know anything about the actual life of Jesus…

[NickHassan]

Hi Kj,
Indeed he met him on the way to Damascus.
By their fruit you will know them and few have shown equal quality fruit

[942767]

Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,13:27)

Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,20:03) Did Jesus have an evil grin on his face as he suffered all that he did in our behalf?  I am striving to walk in his footsteps, and like him I expect to suffer persecution as I strive to obey God, but nevertheless, how can I deny the truth?  And, I can only share the truth as I know it whether or not you believe me. Hmmm, are you expecting to die a martyr's death?

Maybe and maybe not.  I may be still alive when Jesus comes for the church.  If I die, God has not revealed to me how I will die, but I am not afraid to die the death of a martyr.  If I someone would threaten to kill me because I am proclaiming the gospel, then I would have to say go ahead an kill me.  How can I deny the truth.

Similarly, the church has been teaching the doctrine “trinity” and they expect me to sign a form indicating that I agree with their doctrines in order to become a member.  I cannot do this either otherwise I would be lying.

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,10:56)

Quote (942767 @ April 15 2008,10:25) Quote (Cato @ April 15 2008,02:55) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,12:30) No, Cato: Sin is not inherited.  Sin is the transgression of God eternal law.  The Children of parents who are not in a relationship with God are unclean because of the sin of their parents. If one of the parents is saved, then that parent will teach his children the Word of God. Ok sin is not inherited, but if I have bad parents I am unclean because of their sins?  So what is the difference? Hi Cato: If a child of the bad parents should die as a child before that child can exercise a decision whether of not to believe the gospel, the child will die physically. But if the parents die in their sins, they will both physically and spiritually.  Their body and their soul will be destroyed. Hi 94, Do you make no room for the mercy of God?

Hi Nick:

Quote

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

It is all about mercy, and so, why do you ask?

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
Mercy goes beyond covenants.

[942767]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,14:13)

Hi 94, Mercy goes beyond covenants.

What does the scripture that I quoted say?

[kejonn]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,20:46)

Hi Kj, Indeed he met him on the way to Damascus. By their fruit you will know them and few have shown equal quality fruit

That was no answer. What fruit did Paul bear?

[kejonn]

Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,20:52)

Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,13:27) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,20:03) Did Jesus have an evil grin on his face as he suffered all that he did in our behalf? I am striving to walk in his footsteps, and like him I expect to suffer persecution as I strive to obey God, but nevertheless, how can I deny the truth? And, I can only share the truth as I know it whether or not you believe me. Hmmm, are you expecting to die a martyr's death? Maybe and maybe not. I may be still alive when Jesus comes for the church. If I die, God has not revealed to me how I will die, but I am not afraid to die the death of a martyr. If I someone would threaten to kill me because I am proclaiming the gospel, then I would have to say go ahead an kill me. How can I deny the truth.

How do you know it is the truth? How do you know that Koran is not the real truth?

Quote

Similarly, the church has been teaching the doctrine “trinity” and they expect me to sign a form indicating that I agree with their doctrines in order to become a member. I cannot do this either otherwise I would be lying.

Membership is just another means to control people.

[NickHassan]

Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,14:39)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,20:46) Hi Kj, Indeed he met him on the way to Damascus. By their fruit you will know them and few have shown equal quality fruit That was no answer. What fruit did Paul bear?

Hi KJ,

gentleness.
wisdom.
patience.
longsuffering.
love.
joy.
goodness

and more

[942767]

Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,14:41)

Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,20:52) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,13:27) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,20:03) Did Jesus have an evil grin on his face as he suffered all that he did in our behalf?  I am striving to walk in his footsteps, and like him I expect to suffer persecution as I strive to obey God, but nevertheless, how can I deny the truth?  And, I can only share the truth as I know it whether or not you believe me. Hmmm, are you expecting to die a martyr's death? Maybe and maybe not.  I may be still alive when Jesus comes for the church.  If I die, God has not revealed to me how I will die, but I am not afraid to die the death of a martyr.  If I someone would threaten to kill me because I am proclaiming the gospel, then I would have to say go ahead an kill me.  How can I deny the truth. How do you know it is the truth? How do you know that Koran is not the real truth? Quote Similarly, the church has been teaching the doctrine “trinity” and they expect me to sign a form indicating that I agree with their doctrines in order to become a member.  I cannot do this either otherwise I would be lying. Membership is just another means to control people.

Hi KJ:

I know that the gospel is the truth, by virtue that the Spirit of God dwells within me testifying that it is the truth. Also, I have had many personal experiences in addition to receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit which leaves no doubt. Also, I know because God answers my prayers.

Yes, membership is a way of controlling people. God did not intend for there to be all of these various denominations.

[charity]

What did Paul mean here?

About when will this happen? where prophecies Failed, in a wake up call?

1Cr 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Love is going to prevail over stories, and knowledge?

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
There must come an end to prophecy when time ends.
Tongues are to help us communicate with God but we will see Him.
What we can know now is pitiful compared with what will be known then.
1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.

[942767]

Hi Charity:

The word “fail” does not there mean “will not come true”.

Quote

Greek for G2673 καταργέω Transliteration katargeō Pronunciation kä-tär-ge'-ō (Key) Part of Speech verb Root Word (Etymology) from G2596 and G691 TDNT Reference 1:452,76 Vines View Entry Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative a) to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency b) to deprive of force, influence, power 2) to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish a) to cease, to pass away, be done away b) to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one c) to terminate all intercourse with one

[Not3in1]

Quote (TimothyVI @ April 15 2008,10:51)

Quote (Not3in1 @ April 15 2008,10:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,06:46) 2 Timothy 4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. I wonder if the writer of Timothy ever imagined that myths would make more sense than what Christianity has evolved to? For instance, some myths make a heck of a lot more sense than the Trinity. Hi Mandy, The trinity was a myth. It was found in numerous pagan religions before Christianity. Tim

Tell that to a Trinitarian!

[Stu]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,11:40)

Hi KJ, truth is eternal and we can learn from it all. But the OT was given to the Jews, not gentiles Did you think the OT prescriptions apply to all of us? You are misled.

Would you have gay Jews stoned, nick?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,14:45)

Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,14:39) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,20:46) Hi Kj, Indeed he met him on the way to Damascus. By their fruit you will know them and few have shown equal quality fruit That was no answer. What fruit did Paul bear? Hi KJ, gentleness. wisdom. patience. longsuffering. love. joy. goodness   and more

You forgot pig-headed zealotry and burying Jesus in irrelevant dogma.

Stuart

[NickHassan]

Hi Stu,
Nothing about that in the New Covenant is there?

[Stu]

Quote (942767 @ April 15 2008,14:52)

I know that the gospel is the truth, by virtue that the Spirit of God dwells within me testifying that it is the truth.  Also, I have had many personal experiences in addition to receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit which leaves no doubt.  Also, I know because God answers my prayers.

You know nothing more than anyone else does. Why do you pretend? Are you managing to keep up the fragile delusion by self-affirmation? It doesn't work on the rest of us.

Stuart

[NickHassan]

Hi Stu,
The old self doubt sucker punch eh?
Are you jealous of those who have faith ?
Why would you do this sort of negative evangelising?

[Stu]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,21:44)

Hi Stu, Nothing about that in the New Covenant is there?

No, I should think the corporate image of ChristianityTM might be a little tarnished by the truth of its origins, in the eyes of the ignorant who tithe so generously.

Stuart

[Author]

Posts