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Quote (Not3in1 @ April 15 2008,10:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 15 2008,06:46) 2 Timothy 4:4
and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
I wonder if the writer of Timothy ever imagined that myths would make more sense than what Christianity has evolved to?For instance, some myths make a heck of a lot more sense than the Trinity.
Hi Mandy,
The trinity was a myth. It was found in numerous pagan religions before Christianity.Tim
Quote (942767 @ April 15 2008,10:25) Quote (Cato @ April 15 2008,02:55) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,12:30) No, Cato: Sin is not inherited. Sin is the transgression of God eternal law. The Children of parents who are not in a relationship with God are unclean because of the sin of their parents. If one of the parents is saved, then that parent will teach his children the Word of God.
Ok sin is not inherited, but if I have bad parents I am unclean because of their sins? So what is the difference?
Hi Cato:If a child of the bad parents should die as a child before that child can exercise a decision whether of not to believe the gospel, the child will die physically.
But if the parents die in their sins, they will both physically and spiritually. Their body and their soul will be destroyed.
Hi 94,
Do you make no room for the mercy of God?Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,13:46) Quote (Cato @ April 15 2008,03:02) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,18:31) Hi cato,
Mankind is imbued with sin inherited from Adam, the first human servant of Satan.
According to the myth Adam was deceived and made a mistake, how do you then extrapolate that this made him a servant of Satan? I can see how you can infer that his mistake led to sin, but I think you are pushing it with the servant of Satan bit or I am taking issue with just a literary device for flair.
Hi cato,
The Bible is not a book of myths.
The favourite myth here is that men can find their own way by reason.
1 Timothy 1:4
nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.2 Timothy 4:4
and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.Titus 1:14
not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth.
How can you be certain that these verses weren't speaking of the OT?Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,17:07) Quote (kejonn @ April 14 2008,16:18) So what if the parents are Saudis, both Muslim? Should the child be slaughtered?
Hi KJ:I don't want to see anyone destroyed including children, and so, I am doing every thing in my power to reach every one with the truth which I know (not just believe) to be the truth so that people will not have to be destroyed.
God does not want to destroy anyone, but there is a day of judgment coming. When the rapture occurs, that which is not part of the body of Christ will be destroyed.
A child will die physically, but the parents will both die physically and spiritually. If the parents heard the truth of the gospel, and they did not believe or they believed and persisted in sin, they will be judged according to their works.
Quote Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Quote Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.The severity of the judgment will be according to the circumstances.
If they will be judged by their works, then you ARE saying that belief in Jesus is not necessary, right?Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,11:26) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,13:46) Quote (Cato @ April 15 2008,03:02) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,18:31) Hi cato,
Mankind is imbued with sin inherited from Adam, the first human servant of Satan.
According to the myth Adam was deceived and made a mistake, how do you then extrapolate that this made him a servant of Satan? I can see how you can infer that his mistake led to sin, but I think you are pushing it with the servant of Satan bit or I am taking issue with just a literary device for flair.
Hi cato,
The Bible is not a book of myths.
The favourite myth here is that men can find their own way by reason.
1 Timothy 1:4
nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.2 Timothy 4:4
and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.Titus 1:14
not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth.
How can you be certain that these verses weren't speaking of the OT?
Hi KJ,
truth is eternal.Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,17:25) Quote (Cato @ April 15 2008,02:55) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,12:30) No, Cato: Sin is not inherited. Sin is the transgression of God eternal law. The Children of parents who are not in a relationship with God are unclean because of the sin of their parents. If one of the parents is saved, then that parent will teach his children the Word of God.
Ok sin is not inherited, but if I have bad parents I am unclean because of their sins? So what is the difference?
Hi Cato:If a child of the bad parents should die as a child before that child can exercise a decision whether of not to believe the gospel, the child will die physically.
But if the parents die in their sins, they will both physically and spiritually. Their body and their soul will be destroyed.
Did you have an evil grin on your face as you typed this?Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,18:30) Hi KJ,
truth is eternal.
Then why don't you stone an adulterer this week?Hi KJ,
truth is eternal and we can learn from it all.
But the OT was given to the Jews, not gentiles
Did you think the OT prescriptions apply to all of us?You are misled.
Then why even bother with the OT? After all, Jesus was Jewish and he NEVER said the Law was invalid.
Hi KJ,
I love it and the reflective unity it shows with the NT.
The OT Law applies to those to whom it was given.Rom3
19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,11:27) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,17:07) Quote (kejonn @ April 14 2008,16:18) So what if the parents are Saudis, both Muslim? Should the child be slaughtered?
Hi KJ:I don't want to see anyone destroyed including children, and so, I am doing every thing in my power to reach every one with the truth which I know (not just believe) to be the truth so that people will not have to be destroyed.
God does not want to destroy anyone, but there is a day of judgment coming. When the rapture occurs, that which is not part of the body of Christ will be destroyed.
A child will die physically, but the parents will both die physically and spiritually. If the parents heard the truth of the gospel, and they did not believe or they believed and persisted in sin, they will be judged according to their works.
Quote Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Quote Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.The severity of the judgment will be according to the circumstances.
If they will be judged by their works, then you ARE saying that belief in Jesus is not necessary, right?
Hi KJ:For salvation? Wrong, the blood of Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, but either way, we will be judged according to our works.
Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,11:33) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,17:25) Quote (Cato @ April 15 2008,02:55) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,12:30) No, Cato: Sin is not inherited. Sin is the transgression of God eternal law. The Children of parents who are not in a relationship with God are unclean because of the sin of their parents. If one of the parents is saved, then that parent will teach his children the Word of God.
Ok sin is not inherited, but if I have bad parents I am unclean because of their sins? So what is the difference?
Hi Cato:If a child of the bad parents should die as a child before that child can exercise a decision whether of not to believe the gospel, the child will die physically.
But if the parents die in their sins, they will both physically and spiritually. Their body and their soul will be destroyed.
Did you have an evil grin on your face as you typed this?
Hi KJ;Why should I have an evil grin on my face?
Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,19:01) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,11:27)
If they will be judged by their works, then you ARE saying that belief in Jesus is not necessary, right?
Hi KJ:For salvation? Wrong, the blood of Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, but either way we will be judge according to your works.
What is salvation?Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,19:03) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,11:33) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,17:25) Quote (Cato @ April 15 2008,02:55) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,12:30) No, Cato: Sin is not inherited. Sin is the transgression of God eternal law. The Children of parents who are not in a relationship with God are unclean because of the sin of their parents. If one of the parents is saved, then that parent will teach his children the Word of God.
Ok sin is not inherited, but if I have bad parents I am unclean because of their sins? So what is the difference?
Hi Cato:If a child of the bad parents should die as a child before that child can exercise a decision whether of not to believe the gospel, the child will die physically.
But if the parents die in their sins, they will both physically and spiritually. Their body and their soul will be destroyed.
Did you have an evil grin on your face as you typed this?
Hi KJ;Why should I have an evil grin on my face?
Ah nothing. Its just the idea that many Christians seem to secretly like the idea of people being destroyed.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,18:53) Hi KJ,
I love it and the reflective unity it shows with the NT.
The OT Law applies to those to whom it was given.Rom3
19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Jesus came to his own. He even called a gentile woman a dog.Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,12:45) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,19:03) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,11:33) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,17:25) Quote (Cato @ April 15 2008,02:55) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,12:30) No, Cato: Sin is not inherited. Sin is the transgression of God eternal law. The Children of parents who are not in a relationship with God are unclean because of the sin of their parents. If one of the parents is saved, then that parent will teach his children the Word of God.
Ok sin is not inherited, but if I have bad parents I am unclean because of their sins? So what is the difference?
Hi Cato:If a child of the bad parents should die as a child before that child can exercise a decision whether of not to believe the gospel, the child will die physically.
But if the parents die in their sins, they will both physically and spiritually. Their body and their soul will be destroyed.
Did you have an evil grin on your face as you typed this?
Hi KJ;Why should I have an evil grin on my face?
Ah nothing. Its just the idea that many Christians seem to secretly like the idea of people being destroyed.
Did Jesus have an evil grin on his face as he suffered all that he did in our behalf? I am striving to walk in his footsteps, and like him I expect to suffer persecution as I strive to obey God, but nevertheless, how can I deny the truth? And, I can only share the truth as I know it whether or not you believe me.Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,12:46) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 14 2008,18:53) Hi KJ,
I love it and the reflective unity it shows with the NT.
The OT Law applies to those to whom it was given.Rom3
19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Jesus came to his own. He even called a gentile woman a dog.
Hi KJ,
Quite so.
And much of what he taught was to the Jews about the law.Then the door was opened to the gentiles.
Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,12:43) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,19:01) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,11:27)
If they will be judged by their works, then you ARE saying that belief in Jesus is not necessary, right?
Hi KJ:For salvation? Wrong, the blood of Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, but either way we will be judge according to your works.
What is salvation?
Salvation is deliverance from the consequences of sin which ultimately, is eternal death or eternal separation from God through the destruction of your body and soul.Quote Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,20:03) Did Jesus have an evil grin on his face as he suffered all that he did in our behalf? I am striving to walk in his footsteps, and like him I expect to suffer persecution as I strive to obey God, but nevertheless, how can I deny the truth? And, I can only share the truth as I know it whether or not you believe me.
Hmmm, are you expecting to die a martyr's death?Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,20:15) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,12:43) Quote (942767 @ April 14 2008,19:01) Quote (kejonn @ April 15 2008,11:27)
If they will be judged by their works, then you ARE saying that belief in Jesus is not necessary, right?
Hi KJ:For salvation? Wrong, the blood of Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, but either way we will be judge according to your works.
What is salvation?
Salvation is deliverance from the consequences of sin which ultimately, is eternal death or eternal separation from God through the destruction of your body and soul.Quote Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So you truly believe that such deliverance comes from believing what some people wrote 100s of years ago, none of which can be verified?
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