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Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2009,13:12) Marty,
It says that His origins are from ancient time and it does say that He laid the foundations of the world in an active living way.
Kathi
Hi LU:Yes, that is what the scriptures state.
Love in Christ,
Marty942767 said:
Quote God knew that a precise moment in time that he would conceive a Son and send him into the world to be the saviour of mankind. Marty,
God did not “conceive” a son. Women conceive, men “beget” and God does neither (literally speaking).thinker
Hi TT,
Your argument is with God and one of His most quoted psalms, ps2.God begat a Son.
God is not make in the image of fleshly men.Quote (thethinker @ April 22 2009,05:31) Lightenup said: Quote I believe in a literal Son of God and you don't. When I started seeing a literal Son of God who existed from before creation, I started to understand the message of the New Testament. It changed my life 16 years ago. To All,
Though I have a great love for our sister Kathi she commits the ultimate Unitarian error in her statement that Christ was the literal Son of God. Jesus Himself said that “God is spirit“. This in turn infers that Jesus is a “son” in a spiritual sense. Or does God have a penis?
I call this blasphemy and perversion.Georg
Quote (Cindy @ April 22 2009,16:45) Quote (thethinker @ April 22 2009,05:31) Lightenup said: Quote I believe in a literal Son of God and you don't. When I started seeing a literal Son of God who existed from before creation, I started to understand the message of the New Testament. It changed my life 16 years ago. To All,
Though I have a great love for our sister Kathi she commits the ultimate Unitarian error in her statement that Christ was the literal Son of God. Jesus Himself said that “God is spirit“. This in turn infers that Jesus is a “son” in a spiritual sense. Or does God have a penis?
I call this blasphemy and perversion.Georg
Georg,
So you believe that God reproduces Himself?thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2009,14:24) Hi TT,
Your argument is with God and one of His most quoted psalms, ps2.God begat a Son.
God is not make in the image of fleshly men.
Nick,
According to Hebrews God “begat ” Jesus AFTER He purged our sins and sat dwon at God's right hand,Quote Who being the brughtness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholdong all things by the word of His poewr, when he had by Himself ourged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they, For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, today I have begotten You (Heb. 1:3-5)
The name “only begotten Son” is a name Jesus INHERITED. It is just a title indicating that He is SUPREME. It's only a title Nick. If you take it literally then Jesus was not begotten until He finished His redemptive work and sat down at God's right hand.
God cannot reproduce Nick. This is a pagan idea!
thinker
Hi TT,
Do you think the sequence you found in Hebrews is a timeline but Ps 2 is not?God cannot reproduce or you cannot understand the ways of God?
I favour the second choice.Hi TT,
You say
“The name “only begotten Son” is a name Jesus INHERITED. It is just a title indicating that He is SUPREME. It's only a title Nick. “
Strange.
I thought God said in ps2“You are my son. Today I have begotten you”
So if he was never really a son of god then we too cannot join the family.
Eph3
” 14For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,15Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, “
But I guess if you are to justify the trinity idea Jesus cannot be the Son of God even if he said he is.
Quote (thethinker @ April 22 2009,10:55) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 22 2009,14:24) Hi TT,
Your argument is with God and one of His most quoted psalms, ps2.God begat a Son.
God is not make in the image of fleshly men.
Nick,
According to Hebrews God “begat ” Jesus AFTER He purged our sins and sat dwon at God's right hand,Quote Who being the brughtness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholdong all things by the word of His poewr, when he had by Himself ourged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they, For to which of the angels did He ever say: “You are My Son, today I have begotten You (Heb. 1:3-5)
The name “only begotten Son” is a name Jesus INHERITED. It is just a title indicating that He is SUPREME. It's only a title Nick. If you take it literally then Jesus was not begotten until He finished His redemptive work and sat down at God's right hand.
God cannot reproduce Nick. This is a pagan idea!
thinker
Thinker,
All things are possible with GOD except He cannot lie. There is no such teaching in the entire Bible that says Jesus's “sonship” is just a title. There is no such teaching in the entire Bible that says GOD cannot reproduce. If you disagree, what is your proof?God bless ya,
KathiQuote (thethinker @ April 22 2009,14:08) 942767 said: Quote God knew that a precise moment in time that he would conceive a Son and send him into the world to be the saviour of mankind. Marty,
God did not “conceive” a son. Women conceive, men “beget” and God does neither (literally speaking).thinker
Hi thethinker:The following is what I intended by my comment:
Quote Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2009,02:15) Hi TT,
Who did Jesus inherit the name SON from?
That is a good question and made me think that perhaps the word the translators chose to translate “inherit” has other meaning besides “inherit”.I chose the word translated “inherit” in Hebrews 1:4 of the King James Version which is “Kleronomeo”.
If you are interested then here is a link.
So he may not have “inherited” the title of “Son” from anyone.
I am curious if there is and differentiation between Jesus' title of Son and son in the Greek language transcripts or is it something translators use. I looked up one word translated “Son” and there does not appear to be. The word I used is “pais” and it is translated “Son” in Acts 3:13 and Acts 3:26 of the King James Version but is translated other ways and to other words in other scriptures.
My source for “pais”.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2009,05:21) Hi KW,
Sons do not inherit the name SON.
They are sons because they have fathers.
But is there the title “Son” in the original transcripts or is that something the translators added?I was also pointing out that the correct translation may not be “inherited”
In other words you ideas may be shaped by the translators and not by the actual writers of scripture.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2009,08:44) Hi KW,
Where does scripture say SON is a title?
It appears you are dodging my points. I assume you wish to think about them.I believe the designation son is also a title. From what I understand in some case name is a synonym of title.
What is your understanding?
Hi KW,
Presumably you have some scriptural evedence that shows your claim has some sort of a basis?Personally I think Jesus Christ actually is the Son of the Living God.
Jesus praised Peter for saying such things and we can learn from both.
Both were spoken through by the Spirit of God.
Hi brother Nick,
Does God have literal sons?
Does God give birth children literally like human beings?
Procreation was only meant for created beings(mortals) not for God IMO.Nick Hassan wrote:
Quote Presumably you have some scriptural evedence that shows your claim has some sort of a basis?
I was speaking of the use of the English language which our versions of the bible use and which is not covered by scriptures itself but is necessary to understand a bible written in the English language.
Nick Hassan wrote:
Quote Personally I think Jesus Christ actually is the Son of the Living God.
As I pointed out I believe that is still a title though one that is gained by hereditary relationship.
So you believe Jesus has half of God's genotype and half of Mary's thus making him a demi-God?
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