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Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 24 2010,15:52) SimplyForgiven, I also believe there is only one God, because the Old Testament shows us that it was told over and over that God is One, it had to be repeated so many times, Jesus said it Himself – God is one – If I pray, and I pray 'Lord' and there is no division, I don't 'see' two but one Lord, I feel so much better, or closer, and when I write Lord, It must be YHVH, In your thought, as you see God as one, where is Jesus in this for you ? Trinity, Anti Trinity, one-ness, or, something else ?
Hi Shimmer,
It goes back to what i said.
The Lord is echad. and Echad has a DEEP meaning.
I have stated many times, that i believe that God takes roles within our lives.Since God is one, than HE is our everything.
In other words the God of everything the most important figure in our lives.I see Jesus as nessary role to become a Son of Man, Son of God.
Im very basic.
I believe in One God, I believe that Jesus is a role that is included in the roles God take in our lives.For example God is healer- Jehovah-Rapha
God/Jehovah(name not title) IS Healer (role)If there is no pain, than there is no purpose for God to be a healer. Even though he is omnipotent, and has the power to do anything, however if pain does not exist than God cannot be healer.
So once upon a time long ago, we know that pain did not exist, so therefore God was not healer.
God takes many roles in our lives, as our healer, savior, friend, king, lord, Father, Brother, Friend, Guide.
Instead of making it three distinct characters, i strongly believe for them to be the same constant personality.
We know that in the Old testament that God was called after many different respective names according to his roles.
I dont see any difference that would make in the new testament.Thats basically the way i have always seen it,
very simpleQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 25 2010,09:27) Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 24 2010,15:52) SimplyForgiven, I also believe there is only one God, because the Old Testament shows us that it was told over and over that God is One, it had to be repeated so many times, Jesus said it Himself – God is one – If I pray, and I pray 'Lord' and there is no division, I don't 'see' two but one Lord, I feel so much better, or closer, and when I write Lord, It must be YHVH, In your thought, as you see God as one, where is Jesus in this for you ? Trinity, Anti Trinity, one-ness, or, something else ?
Hi Shimmer,
It goes back to what i said.
The Lord is echad. and Echad has a DEEP meaning.
I have stated many times, that i believe that God takes roles within our lives.Since God is one, than HE is our everything.
In other words the God of everything the most important figure in our lives.I see Jesus as nessary role to become a Son of Man, Son of God.
Im very basic.
I believe in One God, I believe that Jesus is a role that is included in the roles God take in our lives.For example God is healer- Jehovah-Rapha
God/Jehovah(name not title) IS Healer (role)If there is no pain, than there is no purpose for God to be a healer. Even though he is omnipotent, and has the power to do anything, however if pain does not exist than God cannot be healer.
So once upon a time long ago, we know that pain did not exist, so therefore God was not healer.
God takes many roles in our lives, as our healer, savior, friend, king, lord, Father, Brother, Friend, Guide.
Instead of making it three distinct characters, i strongly believe for them to be the same constant personality.
We know that in the Old testament that God was called after many different respective names according to his roles.
I dont see any difference that would make in the new testament.Thats basically the way i have always seen it,
very simple
Dennison,This sounds like god is a melting pot, no?
You listed the “good” things of god….but, is he also a “torturer”? a punisher? a judge?
By what you wrote, I feel like I am god because god is my brother?
And my friend. Later today I'll take Him out for a walk with me and my dogs and we'll play frisbees in the park.
And the Bible is just a Shakespeare play and we all play roles as marionettes of the ONE puppeteer.
The way you put it, or the way I perceive what you wrote, God is the same in the OT as He is in the NT, so nobody really has to believe in Jesus' name as he didn't exist in the OT…therefore, everybody, everywhere will be saved because it really doesn't matter. Very positive outlook.
Could be why the Jews are still looking for their OT messiach to come….we're still in the OT era.
The Professor
The Professor
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 24 2010,19:47) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Aug. 25 2010,09:27) Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 24 2010,15:52) SimplyForgiven, I also believe there is only one God, because the Old Testament shows us that it was told over and over that God is One, it had to be repeated so many times, Jesus said it Himself – God is one – If I pray, and I pray 'Lord' and there is no division, I don't 'see' two but one Lord, I feel so much better, or closer, and when I write Lord, It must be YHVH, In your thought, as you see God as one, where is Jesus in this for you ? Trinity, Anti Trinity, one-ness, or, something else ?
Hi Shimmer,
It goes back to what i said.
The Lord is echad. and Echad has a DEEP meaning.
I have stated many times, that i believe that God takes roles within our lives.Since God is one, than HE is our everything.
In other words the God of everything the most important figure in our lives.I see Jesus as nessary role to become a Son of Man, Son of God.
Im very basic.
I believe in One God, I believe that Jesus is a role that is included in the roles God take in our lives.For example God is healer- Jehovah-Rapha
God/Jehovah(name not title) IS Healer (role)If there is no pain, than there is no purpose for God to be a healer. Even though he is omnipotent, and has the power to do anything, however if pain does not exist than God cannot be healer.
So once upon a time long ago, we know that pain did not exist, so therefore God was not healer.
God takes many roles in our lives, as our healer, savior, friend, king, lord, Father, Brother, Friend, Guide.
Instead of making it three distinct characters, i strongly believe for them to be the same constant personality.
We know that in the Old testament that God was called after many different respective names according to his roles.
I dont see any difference that would make in the new testament.Thats basically the way i have always seen it,
very simple
Dennison,This sounds like god is a melting pot, no?
You listed the “good” things of god….but, is he also a “torturer”? a punisher? a judge?
By what you wrote, I feel like I am god because god is my brother?
And my friend. Later today I'll take Him out for a walk with me and my dogs and we'll play frisbees in the park.
And the Bible is just a Shakespeare play and we all play roles as marionettes of the ONE puppeteer.
The way you put it, or the way I perceive what you wrote, God is the same in the OT as He is in the NT, so nobody really has to believe in Jesus' name as he didn't exist in the OT…therefore, everybody, everywhere will be saved because it really doesn't matter. Very positive outlook.
Could be why the Jews are still looking for their OT messiach to come….we're still in the OT era.
The Professor
The Professor
David,
Im glad you Noticed that =)
God is also our enemy, our torturer, our judge. alot of bad things.I never said that.
You see david, you can feel however you want to, but im not stating that.
You cant refute a claim by stating what i did not intend nor state.
***So your accusation, or examples, or plot to assume that i said that you believe God is your brother, and Your friend to play phrisbee, or the bible being a shakespere play, is not evidence, nor logical to refute any claim that i asserted. Your stating mockery to refute a claim that you didnt understand. which in the end doesnt refute anything.****God is your brother, because he knows what you been through. In other words, what is a brother? other than being a blood relative, there is something more to it, its called the relatoinship you have.
Yet God said, i am above all of them.
Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.God is taking a deep relatoinship role, above all those roles presented within our lives.
Hmm and in the other thread you hated personal assumptions right? seems like you joined the party.
James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of GodHow much more are the Children of light by Jesus Christ than Abraham.
Quote And the Bible is just a Shakespeare play and we all play roles as marionettes of the ONE puppeteer.
Than you didnt really read what i said. we all take many roles within one life sir. right now i am a Brother, Friend, Foe, teacher, Scholar, Student, Son, Guide, Enemy, and etc.
Yet i am the same person with many roles. Im not a plagiarizer like Shakespeare. Dont confuse me for him. And this has nothing to do with God playing as puppeteer. You totallyed confused my point. I was talking about how God effects our lives, and the different roles he manifestes within our lives.is God not your healer and also your savior?.
is he not your heavenly FAther? yet Judge?you tell me sir since you want to get smart =/
Quote The way you put it, or the way I perceive what you wrote, God is the same in the OT as He is in the NT, so nobody really has to believe in Jesus' name as he didn't exist in the OT…therefore, everybody, everywhere will be saved because it really doesn't matter. Very positive outlook. Could be why the Jews are still looking for their OT messiach to come….we're still in the OT era.
The Professor
Than you have totally misread my post.
and missed my entire point.
Jesus did exist? what are you talking about sir?***
There is no point in responding to the rest of your post because it doesnt make any sense to what i posted. Unless you didnt understand what i posted, and you would like me to clarify, than i will.
***Good points SimplyForgiven and Gene, I think, were all in this together, we all are many things, We all have different roles, as God is many things, well said,
Thanks
The original point, Does it really matter if someone believes in the trinity or not ?
No, I don't feel it matters at all, If my Mother of Father or Cousins or Friends believe in the trinity, that is only because that is all they know, all they were taught, God knows we are only Human, aren't we ? Didn't Christ die on the cross for our human-ness, doesn't Christ listen ? If we are supposed to know 100% truth, wouldn't we be shown?
God likes variety.
Different people, different personalities, different animals, trees, plants, flowers, food,
What I might find annoying
What I may like
Are not the same as what another may or may not like.
If I were to come on a website like this and try to lead others away from what they believe, why ? If they are in serious error fair enough, if they are leading others astray then fair enough, If someone is changing because of bad influence thats not right, too many people with too many opinions are bound to cause problems,
Get back to what we knew from God, I think.
God is love.
Quote (davidbfun @ Aug. 25 2010,02:47) Dennison, This sounds like god is a melting pot, no?
You listed the “good” things of god….but, is he also a “torturer”? a punisher? a judge?
By what you wrote, I feel like I am god because god is my brother?
And my friend. Later today I'll take Him out for a walk with me and my dogs and we'll play frisbees in the park.
And the Bible is just a Shakespeare play and we all play roles as marionettes of the ONE puppeteer.
The way you put it, or the way I perceive what you wrote, God is the same in the OT as He is in the NT, so nobody really has to believe in Jesus' name as he didn't exist in the OT…therefore, everybody, everywhere will be saved because it really doesn't matter. Very positive outlook.
Could be why the Jews are still looking for their OT messiach to come….we're still in the OT era.
The Professor
The Professor
DavidBFun, I know that was addressed to SimplyForgiven, excuse me for answering,God is all those things but only because He is a loving Father,
I have had many experiences with God, not all good, only because I decided to do things my way, alone, without asking,
Always ask to be shown what to do and trust what you are shown, don't doubt, but believe,
Love does included punishment, God disciplines those he loves. God also gets revenge on those who do wrong to others.
Just and true are His ways.
Shimmer,
It is God who judges and not us. If you are wondering if someone will go to heaven or not then I cannot answer you since God does not give us that knowledge and we do not need it.
The knowledge he does give us is that some people hunger and thirst for righteousness and those who don't are the children of Satan doomed to destruction.
I also know this that given a chance those that hunger and thirst for righteousness will at the proper time for them come to believe the one true teaching of Jesus. We know there is but one teaching because there is but one God and one Jesus.
The Trinitarian tenet is a deception put there by the Evil One for a purpose and his purpose is not good. God allows it to test the hearts of those that seek him. I am not going to judge anyone because I do not know what blinds them to the truth but I will seek to remove obstacles from their path.
The bottom line is that the fate of those you hold dear is in the hands of God and he will not lose a one that hungers and thirsts for righteousness. The ones he does lose will also deserve what they receive. Trust in God's judgment on the ultimate fate of all and not in your own. Instead seek his kingdom and his righteousness that you may aid others to do the same.
Hi, accordig to the following scripture it matters; And so, I will say like Jesus who when he was tempted by the devil in the wilderness said: IT IS WRITTEN
Quote 2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.And,
IT IS WRITTENQuote Proverbs 30:6
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ Aug. 26 2010,11:47) Hi, accordig to the following scripture it matters; And so, I will say like Jesus who when he was tempted by the devil in the wilderness said: IT IS WRITTEN Quote 2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.And,
IT IS WRITTENQuote Proverbs 30:6
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty, I now completly believe you,I and others need to be saved from the thing's spoken of on this forum which are false, cunning deceptions which confuse peoples minds,
What is the truth ?
Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 26 2010,10:56) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 26 2010,11:47) Hi, accordig to the following scripture it matters; And so, I will say like Jesus who when he was tempted by the devil in the wilderness said: IT IS WRITTEN Quote 2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.And,
IT IS WRITTENQuote Proverbs 30:6
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty, I now completly believe you,I and others need to be saved from the thing's spoken of on this forum which are false, cunning deceptions which confuse peoples minds,
What is the truth ?
Hi Shimmer:Quote IT IS WRITTEN Quote 14I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (shimmer @ Aug. 26 2010,18:56) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 26 2010,11:47) Hi, accordig to the following scripture it matters; And so, I will say like Jesus who when he was tempted by the devil in the wilderness said: IT IS WRITTEN Quote 2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.And,
IT IS WRITTENQuote Proverbs 30:6
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty, I now completly believe you,I and others need to be saved from the thing's spoken of on this forum which are false, cunning deceptions which confuse peoples minds,
What is the truth ?
The Bible (God's word) is Truth:2Sa 7:28 “Now, O Lord GOD, You are God, and Your words are truth, and You have promised this good thing to Your servant.
Exd 34:5 The LORD descended in the cloud and “stood” there “with him” as he called upon the name of the LORD.
Exd 34:6 Then the LORD passed by in front of him and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth;
Exd 34:7 who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.”
Jos 24:14 “Now, therefore, fear the LORD and serve Him in sincerity and truth; and put away the gods which your fathers served beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD.
Psa 15:2 He who walks with integrity, and works righteousness, And speaks truth in his heart.
Psa 15:3 He does not slander [fn] with his tongue, Nor does evil to his neighbor, Nor takes up a reproach against his friend;
Psa 25:5 Lead me in Your truth and teach me, For You are the God of my salvation; For You I wait all the day.
Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 25 2010,16:55) Kerwin, thank you, What does it mean by 'hunger and thirst for righteousness' exactly,
Shimmer,Jesus is promising you that if you deeply desire to obey all the righteous commands of God and thus stop sinning that God will do it for you.
The Holy Spirit fullfils that promise because according to Scripture if you walk according to it then you do not sin, Galatians 5:16.
That is what full maturity in Jesus the Anointed is since he does not sin even though he was tempted even as we are.
Isaiah also promised the same thing in Isaiah 31. The Spirit of Righteousness is promised in other scriptures as well.
Just as Abraham believed we too must believe for all things are possible through God.
Therefore have faith and grow in Christ who will be there with you as you mature in him.
The Trinitarian tenet is damaging to this faith as God cannot be tempted even as we are.
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 25 2010,23:33) The Trinitarian tenet is damaging to this faith as God cannot be tempted even as we are.
KerwinBut it is the Trinitarian that teaches that Jesus, the Word that was with God and was God who came in the likeness of sinful flesh could not be tempted in every way that the depraved and fallen sinful man could.
It is you that teaches that Hebrews 4:15 means that the perfect sinless Jesus could have been tempted with every evil temptation imaginable by men including “child molestation”, “homosexuality”, “murder”, “rape”, “incest”, “beasteality”, “torture”, “adultery” and things to wicked to even mention that are temptations to wicked unregenerate men.
Is that what you think Heb 4:15 means? Because according to you guys if he wasn't tempted like the pedaphile, muderer, adulterer, homosexual, rapist, Etc he could not be a High Priest to them. In fact he has to be like them in every way to save them, right?
But every man is tempted, “when he is drawn away of his own lust“, and enticed. James 1:14
Did Jesus who said satan comes and finds nothing in him, have any lust in him?
WJ
Worshipping Jesus,
I realize how hard it is to break indoctrination but it is necessary for you to do so in order to claim the prize of being like God in true holiness and righteousness even as you and I are called to do, Ephesians 4:24.
It is my sincerest hope that you will claim the prize of being fully mature in Jesus and thus like him overcoming the world just as we are encouraged to do, 1 John 5:4.
To accomplish that goal you must believe that it is possible and that God will do it for you. This is why it is necessary that you believe Jesus was tested to the same degree that each human being is tested if not with the exact same temptations. I believe that each human being is tested by different temptation as Satan tailors his tactics to exploit our personal weaknesses just like he tailored the temptations he used on Jesus. Just as God left a way out for Jesus every time he also leaves a way out for us, 1 Corinthians 10:13.
This is why I am convinced the tenet of Trinity is a dangerous obstacle on the path to believing the promise of the Spirit of Righteousness.
Please note I am not going into the difference between temptation and sin at this time and it is necessary to do so when addressing what James states about temptation in chapter 1 verse 14 of his letter we have recorded for our benefit.
All,
Thanks.
I believe God's spirit is the truth which can be found, no matter where we are, the comforter,
It knows us, it causes us to feel, to have compassion and to love. It leads us to truth, which is not truth full of knowledge but truth full of spirit. (Nous is the word)
The Spirit of truth, whom the world can't receive; for it doesn't see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.
The natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
(For any who dont know, Nous is the eyes of the soul, heart, the true meaning wont be found in any dictionary or encyclopedia but only from Christian orthodox sources)
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 26 2010,19:08) Quote (shimmer @ Aug. 26 2010,10:56) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 26 2010,11:47) Hi, accordig to the following scripture it matters; And so, I will say like Jesus who when he was tempted by the devil in the wilderness said: IT IS WRITTEN Quote 2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.And,
IT IS WRITTENQuote Proverbs 30:6
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty, I now completly believe you,I and others need to be saved from the thing's spoken of on this forum which are false, cunning deceptions which confuse peoples minds,
What is the truth ?
Hi Shimmer:Quote IT IS WRITTEN Quote 14I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Is there Salvation in a “false god” that people call “Jesus”?Is God by any other name smell as sweet?
What's in a name?
The Professor
Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2010,03:34) I realize how hard it is to break indoctrination but it is necessary for you to do so in order to claim the prize of being like God in true holiness and righteousness even as you and I are called to do, Ephesians 4:24.
KerwinThis is a circular statement and one I can say of you.
You have put Jesus in the same catogory as a sinner.
Answer the question…
Do you believe Jesus was tempted with every evil temptation imaginable by men including “child molestation”, “homosexuality”, “murder”, “rape”, “incest”, “beasteality”, “torture”, “adultery” and things to wicked to even mention that are temptations to wicked unregenerate men?
It is a yes or no answer.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 27 2010,12:56) Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 26 2010,03:34) I realize how hard it is to break indoctrination but it is necessary for you to do so in order to claim the prize of being like God in true holiness and righteousness even as you and I are called to do, Ephesians 4:24.
KerwinThis is a circular statement and one I can say of you.
You have put Jesus in the same catogory as a sinner.
Answer the question…
Do you believe Jesus was tempted with every evil temptation imaginable by men including “child molestation”, “homosexuality”, “murder”, “rape”, “incest”, “beasteality”, “torture”, “adultery” and things to wicked to even mention that are temptations to wicked unregenerate men?
It is a yes or no answer.
WJ
NO.
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