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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 05 2010,15:24) ED Where are your credentials?
WJ
Hi WJ,My credentials come from God; NOT MAN! (1Thess.4:8)
YHVH is GOD=117: 117= “יהוה האלהים”(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL- ō-Hêêm!
Joshua 22:21-24 Then the children of “Reuben”(65) and the children of “Gad”(12)
and the half tribe of “Manasseh”( 80÷2=40) answered, (65+12+40=117) and said
unto the heads of the thousands of Israel, The LORD God of gods, the LORD
God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if it be in rebellion,
or if in transgression against the LORD, (save us not this day,) That we
have built us an altar(called Ed) to turn from following the LORD, or
if to offer thereon burnt offering or meat offering, or if to offer
peace offerings thereon, let the LORD himself require it; And
if we have not rather done it for fear of this thing, saying,
In time to come your children might speak unto our children,
saying, What have ye to do with the LORD God of Israel?AKJV Joshua 22:34: And the children of Reuben, And the children of Gad
(and half of the tribe of Manasseh (Joshua 22:11)) called the altar (עד Ed);
for [Ed] shall be a witness between us that [יהוה האלהים=117] is [“GOD”].Numbers don’t convey ideas; but numbers can confirm ideas.
(Reuben=65 Gad=12 Manasseh=80÷2=40) [65+12+40=117].Joshua=74(Jesus REAL Name) 22:34: And the children of Reuben
and the children of Gad called the altar “עד”=74: for “Ed”
shall be a “witness” between us that [“YHVH is GOD”=117].“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecclesias.12-16)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 05 2010,15:24) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 04 2010,22:53) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 05 2010,07:04) JA Can you show me in the NT where any other being is called “God” by the Father other than Jesus?
WJ
Hi WJ,What you suggest is no-where to be found in the Scriptures at all, PERIOD!
Only in the mind of you and your favorite translators (A.K.A. Scripture adjusters).
EDI thought you believed the AKJV is the only inspired book.
But unto the Son he saith, “Thy throne, O God“, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8
The Net says…
Hebrews 1:8 is thus a strong affirmation of the deity of Christ.
As far as I know every major translation renders the verse that way.
Can you present a credible Bible that doesn't? Oh thats right, the Arian bible the NWT the one that was translated by men who had no Biblical Hebrew or Greek credentials.
So why should I believe you over the experts? Who made you the final word on the truth? Where are your credentials?
Don't take this as an I will continue conversation with you because already you are slinging mud.
WJ
Hi WJ,Here is more on Hebrews 1:6-8 for you to ponder my friend…
Hebrews 1:6-8 states… 6: And again, when he bringeth in the
firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7: And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8: But unto the Son, Thy throne O God is for ever and ever:
a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.Once again we start with God being the subject in verse 6.
I once again took the liberty of removing 2 commas from verse 8
along with two of the three added words, inserted into the text by the translators.We start with the first part of verse 6 addressing “the Son”,
then with the conjunctive word 'and' the focus switches to the angels.
The focus continues to be the Angels in verse 7, then starting in verse 8 the addressing switches
once again again back to “the Son” with the focus also switching from the angels to God and his kingdom.so: 'But unto the Son' therefore means the attention is now
on the son rather that of the Angels. I hope you found my answer satisfactory?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,08:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 05 2010,15:24) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 04 2010,22:53) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 05 2010,07:04) JA Can you show me in the NT where any other being is called “God” by the Father other than Jesus?
WJ
Hi WJ,What you suggest is no-where to be found in the Scriptures at all, PERIOD!
Only in the mind of you and your favorite translators (A.K.A. Scripture adjusters).
EDI thought you believed the AKJV is the only inspired book.
But unto the Son he saith, “Thy throne, O God“, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8
…
WJ
Hi WJ,I took away the mud for you; OK?
The original Greek manuscripts did not have commas.So I took the liberty of removing two commas and repositioned he saith inverse 8,
along with adding identifiers, strictly for purposes of clarifying the meaning.
Note: I have “also removed” one comma from verse 7 after spirits.Hebrews 1:7-9 And of the angels he saith, who maketh his angels spirits and his ministers a flame of fire.
8: But he saith unto the Son, Thy throne O God(YHVH) is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness
is the sceptre of thy(Jesus' by proxy his Father's) kingdom. 9: Thou(Jesus) hast loved righteousness,
and hated iniquity; therefore God(YHVH), even thy God(YHVH), hath anointed thee(Jesus) with the
oil of gladness above thy fellows(brothers). Let me know if you have any additional concerns?Verse 9 has an intrinsic connection the idea of “oil” and how it relates to YHVH.
I can elaborate on this point more if you want? (I'm “a teacher” you know)
(Ephesians 4:11-16)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDNo you added to the text “YHWH”. No commentator or legitimate Biblical scholar translates it that way.
Show your proof sir.
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,08:23) Hi WJ, My credentials come from God; NOT MAN!
So does this mean you are a Biblical Hebrew or Greek Grammarian?Can you translate from Hebrew to Greek or to English? Can you read Hebrew or Greek? Do you understand the rules of Hebrew and Greek Grammar?
Once again, where are your credentials and what gives you the right to assume that the translaters and scholars do not only have real credentials in Hebrew and Greek scholarship but also have their credentials from God?
Who are you to say they are not from God?
WJ
BTW Everyone.
I am not able to respomd to so many posters attacking me. Please stop hijacking the thread off topic. I realize that I am guilty of this myself, but we should at least try to stay on topic.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2010,01:21) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,08:04) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 05 2010,15:24) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 04 2010,22:53) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 05 2010,07:04) JA Can you show me in the NT where any other being is called “God” by the Father other than Jesus?
WJ
Hi WJ,What you suggest is no-where to be found in the Scriptures at all, PERIOD!
Only in the mind of you and your favorite translators (A.K.A. Scripture adjusters).
EDI thought you believed the AKJV is the only inspired book.
But unto the Son he saith, “Thy throne, O God“, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8
…
WJ
Hi WJ,I took away the mud for you; OK?
The original Greek manuscripts did not have commas.So I took the liberty of removing two commas and repositioned he saith inverse 8,
along with adding identifiers, strictly for purposes of clarifying the meaning.
Note: I have “also removed” one comma from verse 7 after spirits.Hebrews 1:7-9 And of the angels he saith, who maketh his angels spirits and his ministers a flame of fire.
8: But he saith unto the Son, Thy throne O God(YHVH) is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness
is the sceptre of thy(Jesus' by proxy his Father's) kingdom. 9: Thou(Jesus) hast loved righteousness,
and hated iniquity; therefore God(YHVH), even thy God(YHVH), hath anointed thee(Jesus) with the
oil of gladness above thy fellows(brothers). Let me know if you have any additional concerns?Verse 9 has an intrinsic connection the idea of “oil” and how it relates to YHVH.
I can elaborate on this point more if you want? (I'm “a teacher” you know)
(Ephesians 4:11-16)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDNo you added to the text “YHWH”. No commentator or legitimate Biblical scholar translates it that way.
Show your proof sir.
WJ
HI WJ,Are you lying? I have not added YHwH anywhere!
Ex. 20:3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Deut.5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2010,01:23) Who are you to say they are not from God? WJ
Hi WJ,Are you NOT able to see your comment as ‘spin’?
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,08:53) But unto the Son' therefore means the attention is now
on the son rather that of the Angels. I hope you found my answer satisfactory?No
I find your answers misleading.
Even if you take out “he saith” the focus is still on the Son and his throne. In the entire first chapter of Hebrews the focus is on the Son.
The Father says to the Angels to worship the Son and then says to the Son…
“But unto the Son thy throne O God is forever…“
And it continues on about the Son being anointed above his fellows.
You explanation makes no sense and violates the rules of grammar. You might as well take out “but unto the Son”.
Can you show me a credible scholar or appologist that translates it that way?
Can you show me a credible translation that translates it that way?
You claim that the AKJV is Gods inspired translation yet you take out words from it and add words to it.
What gives?
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,09:48)
HI WJ,Are you lying? I have not added YHwH anywhere!
You know what I meant.Ed get a life and go talk to someone else. This is why I don't want to have discourse with you ED. You end up slinging mud!
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,09:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2010,01:23) Who are you to say they are not from God? WJ
Hi WJ,Are you NOT able to see your comment as ‘spin’?
Ed J
Do you not see the spin in the comment you just made?WJ
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 05 2010,03:08) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 05 2010,09:28) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 04 2010,22:54) Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 05 2010,08:04) WJ, You truly are naive.
HI JustAskin,Agreed!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
You guys remind me of a bunch of bullies ganging up on a kid in a school yard.Kids will be kids!
WJ
Tricks are for Kids
awesom cereal! One for each person in the Trinity!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2010,01:54) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,09:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2010,01:23) Who are you to say they are not from God? WJ
Hi WJ,Are you NOT able to see your comment as ‘spin’?
Ed J
Do you not see the spin in the comment you just made?WJ
Hi WJ,My comment was very accurate!
Because I NEVER SAID what you Posted.Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2010,01:53) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,09:48)
HI WJ,Are you lying? I have not added YHwH anywhere!
You know what I meant.Ed get a life and go talk to someone else. This is why I don't want to have discourse with you ED. You end up slinging mud!
WJ
Hi WJ,I only insist on Biblical accuracy!
Mud is a byproduct of adding water to dirt.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2010,01:52) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,08:53) But unto the Son' therefore means the attention is now
on the son rather that of the Angels. I hope you found my answer satisfactory?No
I find your answers misleading.
Even if you take out “he saith” the focus is still on the Son and his throne. In the entire first chapter of Hebrews the focus is on the Son.
The Father says to the Angels to worship the Son and then says to the Son…
“But unto the Son thy throne O God is forever…”
And it continues on about the Son being anointed above his fellows.
You explanation makes no sense and violates the rules of grammar. You might as well take out “but unto the Son”.
Can you show me a credible scholar or appologist that translates it that way?
Can you show me a credible translation that translates it that way?
You claim that the AKJV is Gods inspired translation yet you take out words from it and add words to it.
What gives?
WJ
HI WJ,The Son helps establish God's throne, that's what's being conveyed in Hebrews 1:8-10.
Hebrews 1:8-10 But unto the Son, Thy throne O God(YHVH) is for ever and ever:
a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou(Jesus) hast loved
righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God (YHVH), thy God, hath anointed
thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, LORD (YHVH), in the
beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:Would Hebrews 1:10 make more sense to you if the translators had correctly capitalized LORD?
Heb.1:10 And, Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth(Job 38:4);
and the heavens are the works of thine hands(Isaiah 44:24):Heb.1:10 traces its origin back to Psalm 102:24-25…
Psalm 102:24-25 I said, O my God(YHVH), take me not away in the midst of my days:
thy years are throughout all generations. Of old hast thou laid the foundation
of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.Can you not see Hebrews 1:10 applies to YHVH rather than Jesus?
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer(Isaiah 54:5),
and he that formed thee from the womb, I the LORD that maketh all things;
that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;Theomatics(numbers relating to God) in conjunction with
The AKJV Bible text illustrates who אלהים ĔL-ō-Hêêm=63 is!
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63; “YHVH is GOD”.ĔL-ō-Hêêm(63) = YHVH(63)
Genesis 1:1 In 23 the 33 beginning 81 God 26 created 56 the 33 heaven 55 = 307
[23+33+81+26+33+55=307(63rd Prime number)] Theomatically equaling YHVH(63)!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi All
Some posters on this sight do not want serious dialogue. They end up only slinging mud through condemning, condescending comments. Their purpose is to attack the person and not the message.
This tactic in debate is called…
“Ad hominem.” Latin for “at the man”. This is a debating tactic that attacks the arguer and not the argument. PLEASE, debate the words that people post, not your idea ABOUT the person that posts.
Just so you know when you see this you know that the one who is doing it is insecure in their argument and feel they are loosing the debate on the topic or the facts so they begin to “attack the person”.
Examples of this are quoting scriptures of judgment against them. Or beating their chest over them in an attempt to intimidate. Or misrepresenting them in an attempt to provoke them to anger.
This is happening all the time on this forum and it is intellectually and morally wrong.
Some on this sight spend most of their time criticizing others and putting them down rather than giving substantive rebuttal against the facts that disagree with them.
Attack the message and not the messenger.
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,10:23) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2010,01:54) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,09:49) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2010,01:23) Who are you to say they are not from God? WJ
Hi WJ,Are you NOT able to see your comment as ‘spin’?
Ed J
Do you not see the spin in the comment you just made?WJ
Hi WJ,My comment was very accurate!
Because I NEVER SAID what you Posted.Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Really!Then why does you theology disagree with most all of them?
Why isn't there a translation that agrees with your interpretation?
Why do you not have any credible sources to point to that agree with you?
You claim that you get your credentials from God.
Do you not see how your comment is “circular”?
Is it not possible that not only they get their credentials from God but they could be right and you are wrong, especially since they are experts in Biblical Hebrew and Greek translation?
We all claim that we get our credentials from God. However we at least have many witnesses that agree, where is yours?
Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established!
WJ
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,10:23) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2010,01:53) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 05 2010,09:48)
HI WJ,Are you lying? I have not added YHwH anywhere!
You know what I meant.Ed get a life and go talk to someone else. This is why I don't want to have discourse with you ED. You end up slinging mud!
WJ
Hi WJ,I only insist on Biblical accuracy!
Mud is a byproduct of adding water to dirt.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
And it seems like every chance you get you want to sling it at someone.WJ
WJ just regroups after every occassion he is beaten hoping that next time he might forge a way forward, but, like a dull drill bit, all his spinning rotation energy goes to waste against the granite Scriptures truths.
It is clear that WJ is posting unscriptural information but so convinced is he, so embarrased at his errors that he cannot draw himself back from the edj and hopes to try and force Scriptures to say what he would like it to say.
Not that plenty here don't give him fued for ammunition to shoot them down and bolsten his resolve.
“Thy throne, O God”, is clearly not alluding to 'The God' (Sorry edj).
“O God” is an open term that can apply to any qualifying individual, in this case, Jesus, and is a precusor to his rulership over his Father's kingdom for the period of time and afterwards when he comes into his own.
It cannot be referring to 'God Amighty' as what purpose does it serve in the flow of the Scripture verses? Suddenly switch from talking about Jesus to add a spurious truism, that God Almighty's throne will be forever, etc. What sense is there in that? None, none at all.
WJ can only see the word 'God' as applying to ONE person and he can't even bring himself to use that ONE's name. WJ, it is YHVH in Hebrew, 'I AM' as directly translated to English, and a wonderful all encompassing descriptive name it is, too.
WJ, et al, the word 'God' is a title… It describes one of ultimate power and authorty over a given position.
That is why the adverb, 'Almighty' is added to compound the position of the one we call 'God Most High', 'God, the ALL Mighty'.
Why say, 'God most high', or 'God Amighty' if there are no others that can be called 'God', God of their own position.WJ, you totally ignore and pretend you don't see Almighty God himself say to Moses, 'You will be As God to Aaron'.. Why? Easy, it means that you are WRONG, so you screw around with the verse muddying the context hoping to escape without anyone noticing…
Even taking the doubting Thomas uttering, 'My Lord and My God'…what of it? It was the doubter stating in shock that he saw the Father, at last, through the Son.
And then you go on to say that 'Jesus BLESSED Thomas'. Are you so deluded? Jesus did not 'Bless' Thomas. Jesus said, 'Because you have seen you have believed'. That is not a blessing, it's admonition.
Jesus THEN went on to say, 'BLESSED are they that have NOT seen and yet believe'.Only a Despararian could force the verse to say that Jesus 'blessed' Thomas, unless, oh yeah, being admonished is a 'Blessing' in the Trinity, yeah, ok, I see where you comimg from.
Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 05 2010,12:39) It is clear that WJ is posting unscriptural information but so convinced is he, so embarrased at his errors that he cannot draw himself back from the edj and hopes to try and force Scriptures to say what he would like it to say.
JAIf you remove all your ad hominems I might respond and have some real dialogue with you.
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Oct. 06 2010,02:44) Really! 1) Then why does you theology disagree with most all of them?
2) Why isn't there a translation that agrees with your interpretation?
3) Why do you not have any credible sources to point to that agree with you?
4) You claim that you get your credentials from God.
5) Do you not see how your comment is “circular”?
6) Is it not possible that not only they get their credentials from God but they could be right and you are wrong, especially since they are experts in Biblical Hebrew and Greek translation.
7) We all claim that we get our credentials from God. However we at least have many witnesses that agree, where is yours?
8) Out of the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be establised!
WJ
Hi WJ,1) 1John 4:4 …because greater is he that is in you(Ed J), than he that is in the world.
Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?2) Irrelevant; read the Shaool's koine Greek.
3) You do not consider God to be a credible source?
4) My identification comes from God. (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
5) Is. 40:22 It is he (YHVH) that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out
the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:6) 1Cor.2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man
which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.7) The children of Reuben and the children of Gad and the half tribe of Manasseh. (Joshua 22:11)
8) I do NOT believe you really understand what that verse means!
It doesn't mean ‘your word’ becomes final when one or two agree with you.
When the same essence comes out of two or three, The Word MAY be established
in the heart of the hearer! “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God”. (Rom.10:17)Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
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