Does god know the future?

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2014,17:51)

Seeking truth. That is in a nut shell. And I agree. Except we will be made as the angels,when our inner spiritual has been completed. wakeup.

W

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Except we will be made as the angels,when our inner spiritual has been completed.

IS THIS WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING

[seekingtruth]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2014,09:33)

Seeking Truth, I do not know if your opinion aligns with Scripture as the first recorded instance of Satan showing at least the appearance of sin is when he used the serpent to tempt Eve to sin. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and Satan was a creature of the heavens.  He only had a period of time between his creation and Eve's temptation to sin previously to the first event of him “sinning” that is recorded.

kerwin,
In Job where God is discussing how He laid the foundations of the earth He states in verse 7 “while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy” I believe that the Heaven that the angels dwell in existed before ours. When scripture states “in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” it is the beginning of our story and the heavens created at that time was our space and atmosphere.

So as I see it lucifer could have been around for a long time before that and his first recorded sin was pride Ezekiel 28:14 You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.  

My opinion – Wm

[Wakeup]

Seekingtruth.

You are correct.
The angels were long before the earth was created.
Lucifer was in heaved,plotting against the astablishment.
He was the anointed cherub,and one third of the angels were listening to him. But that was only talk; because lucifer could not do anything in heaven,for they are all spirit creatures.

So God set a snare for Him.
God created man in the flesh,so lucifer could bring his evil ideas to reality. Lucifer's evil thoughts was manifested,starting with deceiving Eve.
That was His first sin. But all his his evil thoughts must come to the full. Then He wil be destroyed.
Evil must come to the full.
The tares must grow to maturity,before harvested.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

w

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So God set a snare for Him

so God created man as bAIt for the evil one

what other evil works did God do ,wakeup that you have learn in scriptures

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,14:19)

w Quote So God set a snare for Him so God created man as beat for the evil one what other evil works did God do ,wakeup that you have learn in scriptures

T.

You call that bait,but you are not God.
God's toughts are not mens thoughts.
The angels are watching us and learning from us;
Now they can SEE what is good and what is evil.
The pain and sufferings, and sorrows,and oppressions, that satan has put upon mankind.

The angels are witnessing the WORKS of satan on this earth.
And at the same time, we are being prepared from the
inside/spiritually.
To be God's children, like the angels.
This is how wonderfull and full of wisdom God is.
Angels need to see all the works of evil done on this earth.
Lucifer could not have achieved this in heaven amongst the angels.

You need to seek for the *WHOLE* true picture.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 22 2014,10:24)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,14:19) w Quote So God set a snare for Him so God created man as beat for the evil one what other evil works did God do ,wakeup that you have learn in scriptures T. You call that bait,but you are not God. God's toughts are not mens thoughts. The angels are watching us and learning from us; Now they can SEE what is good and what is evil. The pain and sufferings, and sorrows,and oppressions, that satan has put upon mankind. The angels are witnessing the WORKS of satan on this earth. And at the same time, we are being prepared from the inside/spiritually. To be God's children, like the angels. This is how wonderfull and full of wisdom God is. Angels need to see all the works of evil done on this earth. Lucifer could not have achieved this in heaven amongst the angels. You need to seek for the *WHOLE* true picture. wakeup.

W

That was not my point ,my point is the bait this is not of God ,God is love

Your way of thinking is evil

[kerwin]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 22 2014,00:04)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2014,09:33) Seeking Truth, I do not know if your opinion aligns with Scripture as the first recorded instance of Satan showing at least the appearance of sin is when he used the serpent to tempt Eve to sin. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and Satan was a creature of the heavens.  He only had a period of time between his creation and Eve's temptation to sin previously to the first event of him “sinning” that is recorded. kerwin, In Job where God is discussing how He laid the foundations of the earth He states in verse 7 “while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy” I believe that the Heaven that the angels dwell in existed before ours. When scripture states “in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” it is the beginning of our story and the heavens created at that time was our space and atmosphere. So as I see it lucifer could have been around for a long time before that and his first recorded sin was pride Ezekiel 28:14 You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.   My opinion – Wm

Seeking Truth,

The angels were created previously to the sixth Night and Day of creation but after the heaven as created in Genesis 1:1.  According to Genesis 1:1 earth was also created at about the same time.

Job teaches us that the angels celebrated when the head of the corner was laid on the foundation of earth.  I am not sure when that was.

Look at verse 13 of Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 28:13
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;
every precious stone was thy covering,
the sardius, topaz, and the diamond,
the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper,
the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold:
the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes
was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

He was in Eden decked with precious ornaments before sin was found in him in verse 15.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,04:33)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2014,17:51) Seeking truth. That is in a nut shell. And I agree. Except we will be made as the angels,when our inner spiritual has been completed. wakeup. W Quote Except we will be made as the angels,when our inner spiritual has been completed. IS THIS WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING

T.

This is how I see the scriptures saying to me.

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 22 2014,17:27)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,04:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2014,17:51) Seeking truth. That is in a nut shell. And I agree. Except we will be made as the angels,when our inner spiritual has been completed. wakeup. W Quote Except we will be made as the angels,when our inner spiritual has been completed. IS THIS WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING T. This is how I see the scriptures saying to me.  Matthew 22:30   For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.  Mark 12:25   For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. wakeup.

w

do you see the difference of what you have said

we be AS angels this does not imply that we be angels but like them according to our reproductive capacity ,

in one way we will no longer increase in number for the number will be complete ,

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 22 2014,15:31)

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 22 2014,00:04) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 21 2014,09:33) Seeking Truth, I do not know if your opinion aligns with Scripture as the first recorded instance of Satan showing at least the appearance of sin is when he used the serpent to tempt Eve to sin. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and Satan was a creature of the heavens.  He only had a period of time between his creation and Eve's temptation to sin previously to the first event of him “sinning” that is recorded. kerwin, In Job where God is discussing how He laid the foundations of the earth He states in verse 7 “while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy” I believe that the Heaven that the angels dwell in existed before ours. When scripture states “in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” it is the beginning of our story and the heavens created at that time was our space and atmosphere. So as I see it lucifer could have been around for a long time before that and his first recorded sin was pride Ezekiel 28:14 You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, till unrighteousness was found in you.   My opinion – Wm Seeking Truth, The angels were created previously to the sixth Night and Day of creation but after the heaven as created in Genesis 1:1.  According to Genesis 1:1 earth was also created at about the same time. Job teaches us that the angels celebrated when the head of the corner was laid on the foundation of earth.  I am not sure when that was. Look at verse 13 of Ezekiel. Ezekiel 28:13 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. He was in Eden decked with precious ornaments before sin was found in him in verse 15.

k

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The angels were created previously to the sixth Night and Day of creation but after the heaven as created in Genesis 1:1. According to Genesis 1:1 earth was also created at about the same time.

I believe that before all of the start of creation God created his son “the word” then it come to be that Geneses 1;1 comes to be Ge 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,

this beginning is after Christ and the heaven means the angels and the earth means all the universe (s) that are in existence ,for the very reason that all creation old together to it self by God ,through the WORD his only son ,

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Jn 1:2 He was with God in the beginning.
Jn 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 23 2014,01:48)

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 22 2014,17:27) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 22 2014,04:33) Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 21 2014,17:51) Seeking truth. That is in a nut shell. And I agree. Except we will be made as the angels,when our inner spiritual has been completed. wakeup. W Quote Except we will be made as the angels,when our inner spiritual has been completed. IS THIS WHAT SCRIPTURES ARE SAYING T. This is how I see the scriptures saying to me.  Matthew 22:30   For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.  Mark 12:25   For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. wakeup. w do you see the difference of what you have said we be AS angels this does not imply that we be angels but like them according to our reproductive capacity , in one way we will no longer increase in number for the number will be complete ,

T.

Tell me:
In what body was Jesus resurrected?
Was it a spirit body as the angels?
Or some other kind that you imagine?

wakeup.

[terraricca]

W

I WILL ANSWER YOU BUT THIS IS OUT OF TOPIC ;AND IT IS KERWIN TOPIC ,

TELL ME WERE TO GO AND I JOIN YOU THERE

[kerwin]

T,

I believe angels were created of heaven stuff just as mankind was created of earth stuff. Before heaven and earth created there was no space. Their was no width, no length, and no heath for a body to occupy. These things are part of the creation of heaven and earth. I believe these thing because God created the physical earthly world and its heavenly companion.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 25 2014,02:06)

T, I believe angels were created of heaven stuff just as mankind was created of earth stuff.  Before heaven and earth created there was no space.  Their was no width, no length, and no heath for a body to occupy.  These things are part of the creation of heaven and earth.  I believe these thing because God created the physical earthly world and its heavenly companion.

k

angels to me are spirits (heaven workers ) they are not companions ,God does not need companionship,

we do because create that way , but God created one and only son ,that was and became his closes companion,

and through him he created all other things ;just as scriptures says ,

i also believe that not all angels where created at one single time but progressively as needed ;just as creation did not come over one day (mean universe)

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2014,08:16)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 25 2014,02:06) T, I believe angels were created of heaven stuff just as mankind was created of earth stuff.  Before heaven and earth created there was no space.  Their was no width, no length, and no heath for a body to occupy.  These things are part of the creation of heaven and earth.  I believe these thing because God created the physical earthly world and its heavenly companion. k angels to me are spirits (heaven workers ) they are not companions ,God does not need companionship, we do because create that way , but God created one and only son ,that was and became his closes companion, and through him he created all other things ;just as scriptures says , i also believe that not all angels where created at one single time  but progressively as needed ;just as creation did not come over one day (mean universe)

T.

God created his one and only son.(unquote).

So to you;Jesus is a CREATURE.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2014,03:16)

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 25 2014,02:06) T, I believe angels were created of heaven stuff just as mankind was created of earth stuff.  Before heaven and earth created there was no space.  Their was no width, no length, and no heath for a body to occupy.  These things are part of the creation of heaven and earth.  I believe these thing because God created the physical earthly world and its heavenly companion. k angels to me are spirits (heaven workers ) they are not companions ,God does not need companionship, we do because create that way , but God created one and only son ,that was and became his closes companion, and through him he created all other things ;just as scriptures says , i also believe that not all angels where created at one single time  but progressively as needed ;just as creation did not come over one day (mean universe)

T,

You are misunderstanding me. I am saying companion worlds and just to be mean they are linked together. “Twins” might of been better as they are both dimensions of reality and they are linked with the words “God created the heaven and the earth” and the words of other passages.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 25 2014,08:38)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2014,08:16) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 25 2014,02:06) T, I believe angels were created of heaven stuff just as mankind was created of earth stuff.  Before heaven and earth created there was no space.  Their was no width, no length, and no heath for a body to occupy.  These things are part of the creation of heaven and earth.  I believe these thing because God created the physical earthly world and its heavenly companion. k angels to me are spirits (heaven workers ) they are not companions ,God does not need companionship, we do because create that way , but God created one and only son ,that was and became his closes companion, and through him he created all other things ;just as scriptures says , i also believe that not all angels where created at one single time  but progressively as needed ;just as creation did not come over one day (mean universe) T. God created his one and only son.(unquote). So to you;Jesus is a CREATURE. wakeup.

Yes Jesus is the son only begotten son that make him a creation the very first one ,

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 25 2014,10:44)

Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2014,03:16) Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 25 2014,02:06) T, I believe angels were created of heaven stuff just as mankind was created of earth stuff.  Before heaven and earth created there was no space.  Their was no width, no length, and no heath for a body to occupy.  These things are part of the creation of heaven and earth.  I believe these thing because God created the physical earthly world and its heavenly companion. k angels to me are spirits (heaven workers ) they are not companions ,God does not need companionship, we do because create that way , but God created one and only son ,that was and became his closes companion, and through him he created all other things ;just as scriptures says , i also believe that not all angels where created at one single time  but progressively as needed ;just as creation did not come over one day (mean universe) T, You are misunderstanding me.  I am saying companion worlds and just to be mean they are linked together.  “Twins” might of been better as they are both dimensions of reality and they are linked with the words “God created the heaven and the earth” and the words of other passages.

Ok then

[Wakeup]

HEAVEN:

Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not:
***till the heavens be no more***,
they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.

Job 15:15 Behold, He putteth no trust in His saints;
*** yea, the heavens are not clean in his sight***.

Job 20:6 ***Though his excellency mount up to the
heavens, and His head reach unto the clouds***;

Job 26:13 By His spirit He hath garnished the heavens;
*** His hand hath formed the crooked serpent***.

wakeup.

[Proclaimer]

This is a very good question. Most would no doubt say that he knows everything, implying that when he created Satan before he fell, he knew full well he would fall, and so loved him up until the point that he knew he would fall. Seems weird to my limited mind.

But here is where I am now with this. God knows everything that is in line with his will. What he doesn't know and control is free will. Free will essentially is what God has and he gifted us with the ability to change our mind, to reject him, or to love him and align our will with his. So it is a chance that he takes and lets it play out.

However, I somehow think that he has control of the timeline in that he does whatever is possible within free will to produce the best fruit in us. So if he knows we are destined to not make it or not be as fruitful, he is able to change things to get the best possible result with all of us. But he cannot and will not ever over ride our decisions, only our circumstances.

That said, God must also live outside of the dimension of Time-Space that he created and if so, a part of him perhaps can see all of time-space in a moment. Perhaps this is why he is able to get the best possible outcome for us.

Luke 13:6
He also spoke this parable: “A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.
7 “Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?'
8 “But he answered and said to him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it.
9 'And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that you can cut it down.'

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