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Really, counting my use of a personal pronoun is your response to my testimony and the evidence to your idolatrous ways as you pray in the name of a created being, etc?
You even do it hypocritally as you state what you believe and use the same amount of “I’s” in your statement. Does anyone see the irony of this?
you said:
I believe what the word of God says I will not had or take away anything for if i do the truth will be no longer the truth but my stumbling block ,
Here is your own words back at you…your argument is null and void:
the above contains 3 x “I”= ego
I repeat, pretty hypocritical, don’t you agree, when you are making a claim against me about using the word “I” 3x in the statement of what I believe. Am I supposed to use the word ‘you’ when I speak of MY confession? Ridiculous…
BTW, yes, God does care what I think about Him…it is my belief about Him that He gave me faith for.
So about what you said:
I believe what the word of God says I will not had or take away anything for if i do the truth will be no longer the truth but my stumbling block ,
You discount what the word of God says continually and create your own ideas, imo. For instance, you have never successfully shown us that Jesus claimed to be created or that it is ok to pray to a created being, or to pray in the name of a created being, or to be baptized in the name of a created being, etc.
To whomever it concerns,
Just looking at it I have no idea how those that believe Jesus is God see 1 Peter 6-8 as supporting their claim that Jesus is the one true God.
I see instead that if I were to examine it in its original context from the point of a Jew prior to the new covenant being established it has the non hidden meaning that the rock being spoken of is the Law of Mosses. Even then with some more though you can see that it can also be addressed to the new covenant as both are of a type.
I am curious if we did not have the context of the historic trinitarian bias, including the choice of pronouns, we would see Peter as speaking of Jesus as the rock or if instead we would see Peter as speaking of the new covenant that was established by Jesus’ righteous blood.
In this case I do not think there is a significant difference but we all have to consider the current Christian culture is influenced by the long dominion of trinitarian doctrine that many of us find flawed.
hi Kathy
Really, counting my use of a personal pronoun is your response to my testimony and the evidence to your idolatrous ways as you pray in the name of a created being, etc?
You even do it hypocritally as you state what you believe and use the same amount of “I’s” in your statement. Does anyone see the irony of this?
well what i try to point out here is the “I” is to give an opinion over what is not in scriptures then it is to give a better explanation that scriptures are given ,in this way it places you as a judge of the word of God and not a receiver of it ,and so your faith become the yourself as a source ,not God or his truth ,
BTW, yes, God does care what I think about Him…it is my belief about Him that He gave me faith for.
God does not give you faith ,he give you a way to believe in him through his son and so have faith (believe) in him but this is not forced on you ,we have to believe that he exist and that he as send his son to us to save us all from the sin we cannot be saved of unless a righteous is willingly to pay the price of that sin for us ,Jesus did just that ,
You discount what the word of God says continually and create your own ideas, imo. For instance, you have never successfully shown us that Jesus claimed to be created or that it is ok to pray to a created being, or to pray in the name of a created being, or to be baptized in the name of a created being, etc.
it seems you know what i discounted but show no prove of it ,
but i have to agree with you that i will never be able to prove anything to you ,for you are living on the 122 floor and i live in the basement , we would not even meet in the elevator ,
but anyone with the truth will not go to 122 floor and believing that that’s how we get closer to God ,
T,
“I” is a person’s way of expressing what they hear when they read Scripture and should not effect our testing of what they say. It is more important to test their doctrine and not there way of expressing it. The exception is if that way does a poor job of expressing their teachings. Even then if we find it false we may not want them to express it well anyways.
hi K
“I” is a person’s way of expressing what they hear when they read Scripture and should not effect our testing of what they say. It is more important to test their doctrine and not there way of expressing it. The exception is if that way does a poor job of expressing their teachings. Even then if we find it false we may not want them to express it well anyways.
the “I” can mean many things ; just as the “me” it can mean just what it says in a humble way , but it can be used as arrogant ,as it could be ;
like if I use the “I” to say what i am doing or going humbly do without using the ego self centered demo,
now if I say I AM BELIEVING,I AM THE ONE THAT …..,I AM …. SO THE FOLLOWING PHRASE COMPOSITION WILL TELL WERE WE STAND ,
AS FOR WE SAY THAT ;I BELIEVE THIS OR THAT (AND IT IS NOT IN SCRIPTURES BUT OUR OWN WILL TO UNDERSTAND IT ) THEN WE ARE NOW LOOKING GOD AND JESUS IN THE EYES AND TELL HIM THIS IS WHAT “I” WILL TAKE SO CHANGE YOUR SCRIPTURES ,
BUT THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS ;GOD THROUGH CHRIST HIS SON AS MADE CLEAR WHAT AND IN WHO ‘S TRUTH WE HAVE TO HAVE FAITH IN ,SO WE SHOULD NOT CHANGE GOD’S WORDS TO ACCOMMODATE US BUT RATHER BEND AND ACCEPT THE FAITH AS IT IS PRESENTED TO US , RIGHT ? YES
Sons can always exist?
It is a strange concept to think that anyone had always existed but how would a person exist as Father if there were no offspring always belonging to Him? If the Son did not always exist, the Father did not always exist as Father.
There was only one son that always existed and it is the theos who is the Jehovah of hosts that Peter identifies as our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. He is the offspring part of the one True God the Father. Very God from very God, Light from Light.Prov 8:22 “The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.
Hi LU,
Jesus became the anointed one, the spiritual son of God at the jordan.
No mysticism is needed and we can follow him.
@terraricca
I’m sorry but I have no idea of what you are rambling on about regarding how the “I” is used. You seem to be saying that it is more about arrogance vs. humility. Yes, we are to accept what He is with fear and trembling. We are to proclaim the truth boldly. Your ‘truth’ is not inline with scriptures, imo.Those in the basement/under the earth will be joining all created beings in heaven and on the earth in proclaiming the theos that is called Jesus, is the Lord of all to the glory of the theos that scripture calls the Father. They will be acknowledging both as having dominion over all creation for ever and ever. That is completely scriptural. Just accept the truth.
hi
Those in the basement/under the earth will be joining all created beings in heaven and on the earth in proclaiming the theos that is called Jesus, is the Lord of all to the glory of the theos that scripture calls the Father. They will be acknowledging both as having dominion over all creation for ever and ever. That is completely scriptural. Just accept the truth.
if i could see your truth in scriptures i would accepted ,but i have only the scriptures you must have the world at your figer from your 122 floor , i am sure you do not look to much down ward ,
Hi Nick,
The Word was the Jehovah of hosts that Peter identifies as Jesus who was the eternal life that was with the Father in the beginning. You are missing this.Rev 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
Here we have the Word of Jehovah identifying Himself as ‘Jehovah’ and being called ‘Lord Jehovah’by Abraham.Gen 15 1After these things the word of Jehovah came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
2And Abram said, O Lord Jehovah, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and he that shall be possessor of my house is Eliezer of Damascus? 3And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4And, behold, the word of Jehovah came unto him, saying, This man shall not be thine heir; But he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. 5And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and number the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6And he believed in Jehovah; and he reckoned it to him for righteousness. 7And he said unto him, I am Jehovah that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
terraricca,
1.Do you admit that it is written in scriptures that Jesus is called a theos? yes or no
2. Do you admit that it is written in scriptures that every knee will bow to Him and confess that He is Lord to the Glory of God the Father? yes or no
3. Do you admit that it is written in scriptures that every created being will be acknowledging the Father as well as the Son as having dominion over all creation for ever and ever? yes or noIf your answer is no to any of the above, I will show you the scripture/scriptures. If your answer is yes to all of the above, they why are you saying that I am not expressing scriptural truth? Are you too busy counting floors and making up poor analogies to actually read what I wrote with a spirit of understanding?
@t8
One does seem pretty foolish when they acknowledge Jesus as a theos but haven’t got a clue as to whom He is a theos to. This is elementary. All creatures bow before Him.Your statement seems foolish to me. Satan is a god. The god of this age. Many bow to him.
It is true what Peter said. “For us there is one God the Father”. You are not ‘us’. You say there is one God the Father and Son. But you have neglected to add for your same reasons all the other gods that people worship such as Dagan, Satan, etc.
I am curious to know why idol worship is such a powerful temptation for many? We only need to look at all the religions in the world. And over the years I have watched some here start with one true God and end with multiple persons in one God. What is the attraction? I really cannot see it myself and given that we are commanded not to do such things, I cannot understand why people do it. What satisfaction is there in a piece of wood or making God into a triad or a binity?
Is it not better to dedicate our lives to something noble rather than cause mischief or controversy for the sake of controversy?
So we have the facts that we agree on:
The Father and the Son are two persons who are referred to as theos somewhere in scriptures and those two persons are both given, by every created thing, the honor of having the blessing, and the honour, and the glory, and the dominion, for ever and ever.Many are referred to as theos (false and legit), but for Believers there is one God the Father. This means that he is the true God, the one who is above all. Now we know who is above Christ. It is God. The head of Christ is God. Amen to this truth. Swine trample all over precious truth however.
@t8
Here is a must answer question for you:
Of all the persons who are called theos in scripture, how many have dominion over all creation forever and ever?If you can answer that correctly, then you will hold on to those persons as being the persons who are called theos who are for us. Paul mentions only two persons who are for us, btw. One is called God the Father and one is called our Lord Jesus Christ.
@NickHassan
you asked:Indeed the Word was with God.
Was Jesus???
Yes, before He was given the name Jesus, He was God with God in the beginning.
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