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Is the ruler not a ruler if he is standing? He is only a ruler if he is sitting? hogwash
Great, give it consideration. This understanding is common among Christians throughout Christendom.
LU,
Peter is using a Jewish interpretation method of the First Century that we of the modern era find confusing. He is not quoting the Isaiah 8:14 because Jesus is Jehovah but rather because it is true of Jesus. As far as I know you will not find one individual here who does not apply the words ” Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread” to Jesus because they know that Jesus teaches us that you cannot have God without Jesus and you cannot have Jesus without God. When you put you put your faith in Jesus Christ you must also put you faith in the one true God or your faith is false. Isaiah 8:12-15 is a passage of faith in God and how it becomes a stumbling block to the faithless and unfaithful.
hi Kathi
Is the ruler not a ruler if he is standing? He is only a ruler if he is sitting? hogwash
why you ask if you going to call everything we tell you hogwash ?
if you are submissive to the one that sit on the throne that , identify the one that is describe in charge does it
Hi LU,
The Lord God of Israel is the Lord of the angelic hosts in the OT.
The anointed man from Nazareth is now given this authority.
@kerwin
Did you see in the Isaiah 8 passage that Jehovah is speaking of Jehovah of hosts as if He is someone else other than Himself? The other person that Jehovah calls Jehovah of hosts is the stone of offense, not faith. Peter ties that stone to be Jesus, not faith. In both passages, the subject is a person that is the stone, not faith.you said:
The Lord God of Israel is the Lord of the angelic hosts in the OT.
The anointed man from Nazareth is now given this authority.
Jehovah is the Lord God of Israel and Jehovah is both the God of gods and the Lord of lords. Jesus is the theos who is the Lord of lords. The Father is the theos who is the God of gods.
The title “Jehovah of hosts” applies to either one of them depending on context. The person of Jesus made the angels before man, btw. In the context of Isaiah 8, Jehovah, the God of gods is talking about Jehovah, the Lord of lords as the Jehovah of hosts that is the stone who Peter later identifies as Jesus.
Hi LU,
Jesus did not exist before he was conceived and born.
Then he was named.But the Word was with God
Hi LU,
Paul said
It is no longer I that liveth but Christ that liveth in me.Christ in the brethren worships and serves the Father in Spirit and truth
@NickHassan
The Word that was with God was a person, the person of Jesus-the Only begotten Son who much later became a man. He wasn’t always a man. You would do well to be able to discern between all who are called theos and make a distinction between who has dominion over all creation and who does not. Rev 5 tells you that two have dominion over all creation.Your view that two are called Jehovah is your doctrine. I’ll stick to believing as scripture teaches, that for us, there is one God the Father and that eternal life is to know the only true God and his son.
Not going to be talked out of it. Wouldn’t even take a cash bribe. No chance.
Kathi, you come here preaching a false gospel and tell lies about the only true God. Where did you go wrong. How did your life come to this. Were you not created for noble things. Why sell yourself short. You are so fixated on being right that you cannot see the damage that you are doing to yourself. Let God lead you into all truth. Let scripture teach you and rebuke you. Even rebuke is good because it shows that someone is still working in your life. But if you continue to ignore the true gospel and the first commandment, then it could change you forever.
Nick,
Hi KW,
The Holy Spirit had dominion?
God did.It is his Spirit. It is not a separate individual. It is also God’s word that framed the ages.
LU,
Did you see in the Isaiah 8 passage that Jehovah is speaking of Jehovah of hosts as if He is someone else other than Himself? The other person that Jehovah calls Jehovah of hosts is the stone of offense, not faith. Peter ties that stone to be Jesus, not faith. In both passages, the subject is a person that is the stone, not faith.
No, so I will have to remember to look for it when I read it again so I know where you are coming from.
@t8
The only true God, the Father, has a part of Him that is just like Him as offsprings always are. Hebrew names, from what I understand, reflect some significant character, feature, or purpose from what I have read and the name Jehovah reflects a state of being…an always existent state of being and that sets Him apart from all created beings that might be called theos somewhere in scripture. I believe that the one true God, the Father, always existed and I know you do also and His name reflects that-Jehovah. I also believe the Son always existed as an offspring part of the one true God and thus the name Jehovah reflects His always existence. What is unique about an offspring ‘part’ of a person, is that that particular part is just like the person that he is a part of as opposed to the foot or the elbow part per se.
You seem to understand the one true God as one that does not have an eternal offspring part to Him. I understand the one true God, the Father as one that does have an eternal offspring part to Him. That seems to be the main difference to what influences us as we process the Word of God.
When Jehovah, the Father speaks about being God alone, the offspring part of Him is included as part of Him, as I understand it. The offspring part of the one true God, the Father is an extremely important part of the Father. With the offspring part, the Father directly creates the cosmos and relates to that creation and provides redemption and salvation to creation. That offspring part, Jehovah (the Son) acts as the Word of His Father and the image of His Father. It is all very beautiful to know the offspring part of the one true God, as God to us also; as the eternal offspring part of the one true God, the Father.
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