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lol LU.
The Father who is God has given all things to the son who he made Lord and Christ.
The term theos is applied to many. Just because Jesus is higher in authority than any other who is legitimately described as theos does not give you any special right to create a Binity or doctrine that teaches that God is two.
Regardless, the Father is the one true God for true believers. Those who teach men to break the commandments will be called the least in the Kingdom. Others who teach people to break the commandments may not even have salvation.
@t8
Go ahead and laugh yourself silly, t8. I don’t even use the term binity to describe what I believe. I also don’t teach that God is two. I do teach that two who are both called theos in scripture share the dominion over all created things for ever and ever though…you will find that in Rev 5.
Kathy
I do teach that two who are both called theos in scripture share the dominion over all created things for ever and ever though…you will find that in Rev 5.
you did not answer my respond to you quote in Rev 5
but look at this ;1CO 15:28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.
YES KATHY ONLY ONE HAS DOMINION NOT TWO ;AMAZING HOW PEOPLE GET LOST WHEN THEY ARE CONFUSED
Putting a term to this weird doctrine is useful. Otherwise how do I refer to it. Since you are the only one promoting it, then I give you naming rights. Let me know what you call it and I will call it that from now on. You can’t choose ‘Truth” or other similar words. Jesus already has them trademarked.
Yes Kathi God has given the son authority to rule over God’s creation for ever and ever. Amen. No Binity here. God and his son who we call the son of God. One of them is God, the other is lord, messiah, and son of God. The antichrist spirit denies this whether that is out in the open or subtly.
@t8
You can use the term for what I believe “the Jehovah Doctrine” with the understanding that Jehovah is the name of the God of gods and Lord of lords. The Jehovah who is called God our Father and the Jehovah who is called our Lord Jesus Christ both share the dominion over all creation and both share the character, essence and name -Jehovah.
Try again…I didn’t ask how many are in authority over Jesus. I asked:
So you don’t think that two persons have dominion over all creation for ever and ever?
Rev 5:13
And every created thing which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and on the sea, and all things are in them, heard I saying, Unto him that sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb, be the blessing, and the honor, and the glory, and the dominion, for ever and ever.you said:
We worship one God the Father.
Not those who are WITH HIM.
You will sooner or later worship the God whom is called our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ along with God the Father. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is LORD to the glory of God the Father.
@NickHassan
you asked:Jesus went to His God and our God. Jn 20.17
Who did he ascend to?
The God we call our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ ascended to the God we call God, our Father.
Kathi
Try again…I didn’t ask how many are in authority over Jesus. I asked:
So you don’t think that two persons have dominion over all creation for ever and ever?
Rev 5:13
And every created thing which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and on the sea, and all things are in them, heard I saying, Unto him that sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb, be the blessing, and the honor, and the glory, and the dominion, for ever and ever.i have answered you but you did not like the answer so be it ,this is you habit ,one way conversation ,
@NickHassan
you say:But he is not our God
Your Jesus is a created being which leads you to the conclusion that he is not your god. If that were true, that Jesus was merely a created being, you would do well because we are not to worship the creation but instead we are to worship the creator.
The Jesus I believe in is Jehovah of hosts from Isaiah 8 that Peter identifies to be Jesus. I believe in Jehovah who is both God of gods and Lord of lords (two persons). The name of Jehovah belongs to the Father and to the Son. I understand them as having the eternal character that is signified by their name and together they reign over me eternally as well as all creation.
Perhaps you can understand why now, we differ. I don’t see Jesus as a creation but rather a creator of creation.
Your answer denies the dominion of the Lamb over all creation. Your argument is with scripture, not with me.
Why do you ask that?
LU,
The Holy Spirit has always had dominion over all things in heave and on earth because it is God’s Spirit while Jesus was given authority over all things in heaven and on earth according to Scripture.
In short Jesus was given all the authority the Holy Spirit already had.
Hi Kerwin,
Thank you for your question.
From what I understand, Jesus is the only begotten God as Jehovah of Hosts which is someone other than Jehovah in the context of Isaiah 8:12-15 which Peter refers to.
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.1 Peter 2
6 For in Scripture it says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,
“The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,
“A stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.”HI kATHI
Your answer denies the dominion of the Lamb over all creation. Your argument is with scripture, not with me.
BUT I QUOTED SCRIPTURES and it does not included the Lamb for only one is mention to be on the throne ,why are you arguing with the scriptures , ???
LU,
So it is your interpretation of Isaiah 8:12-15 and how Peter used Isaiah 8 in his first letter that is where the situation rises. I will try to remember to look at it when the time allows me to.
Hi Kerwin,
You see Jesus just as a created man. I see Jesus as being God with God from the beginning. The Father through the Son created all things INCLUDING ALL AUTHORITIES. The benefit of having the Father and the Son as the full protective authority was severed by man’s free will to choose to make other authorities and mankind was severed from the kingdom of Light. Jesus death redeemed the situation and restored the ability for man to cross over from the kingdom of darkness and stop obeying those dark authorities that were opposed to the authority of the kingdom of Light.. His death is what gave the authority back to the Son so we could live under their authority completely and have a restored relationship in their loving protection as we are in their hands.
No one can snatch us from their hands of protection. Amen!
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