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Hi Everyone, I post this in behalf of JustAskin…
Hey edu,
Thanks for the support.
I am not banned. Mikeboll64 has stopped me posting.
Why has he chosen this moment exactly to go on a vacation?
Sheer coincidence or other reason? Edj is was leaving anyway.The three kings made me realise that the
fleshly nature man cannot be overcome by sensibility nor reason.
Mikeboll64 is on a powertrip. He has been balled out by everyone he
has ever come across…his brother, his family, WJ, KJ, … And he
demands selfrreasurrance.
When he realises he is yet again wrong, he got angry and said “oh no,
not again” (hitchhikers guide to the galaxy). “I ain't losing again…”
So he embarked on a campaign of protest to remove the source of his
irritation and antagony… So, he twisted the purpose of the thread,
made it a out the only thing that comes near to 'spirit has
body','Spiritual Body'.
(un)fortunately for him more fleshbased posters came to his rescue.Who knows who may have PM'd who, but certainly Irene was completely
misled and according to Gene, she has been over the same issue without
positive comprehension. She found, out of every everyday commonsense
definition, one from what looks like a linguistic university thesis
project that allude… to what she wanted to read. After that she
looked nowhere else, indeed would not look anywhere else.
Edj this is a trait of a type of person… It is driven by fear… I
know, my ex-wife was like that…believe me, it ain't fun being with such a one.
Mike milked the support … Terra was just angry at me… His posts
were hollow, empty, devoid of purpose and sense…I tried to avoid
responding to empty air but it was hard.
Yes, I got angry, raging angry at the deliberate nonsense and said,
“finish here. These three are agreeing from being led by Mikeboll64.Irene
saying that Terrestrial means Sun Moon Stars…killer showed she
knows she is lying…then notice that she went offline with George
taking over…
Notice also that she deliberately chose Celestial by itself, and not
Celestial body…why, because Celestial Body showed 'Things in the
visible Heavens. Note the plural, meaning Sky and Galactic Space, not
'Heaven' the abode of God.
So, whether from sheer naivity or deliberate lying Irene brought
herself into ill repute…but who will remember?Mike also knew he had lost again…
Three times now against JustAskin.
It was too much for the 'old man'.
Post this to the forum.
Thank you.Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2010,14:50) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 29 2010,11:37) shimmer you fail to understand what is this forum ,you came on this forum to find what ??
did you find it ? if not why?? did you look for something that can be found on a forum ??
wen you came on this forum ,what did you do ? you looked for someone with your own views right,?? yes,
Pierre
Hi Pierre,Not me, I came to teach!
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
EdYou maybe witnessing to a world wide audience, but it consists of the once you find here on the forum.
You came to teach what, your number system? You have the least understanding of scripture, so what do you want to teach?
You are the kind of guy that would miss JA; just for posting for him YOU should get a tile. But it shows us what kind of character you are, not that we didn't know that already.
Georg
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,00:17) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 30 2010,00:13) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2010,18:29) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 29 2010,18:18) Shimmer! The truth you find in Scriptures. Not someones interpretation of Scriptures but the way they are written…
Peace to you Irene
Quote When you take John 1:1 for instance some don't see Jesus in that. Even when you give them Re, 19:13-16 to prove that it is Jesus John is talking about…..Some will even twist Scriptures to make them fit their own doctrine…..That I find wrong to do…..
Hi Irene,That;s funny I don't find Jesus name mentioned (AT ALL) in those verses?
Are sure you are NOT twisting Scriptures to make them fit your own doctrine?
Ed! TakeRev 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Tell me Ed. is there any being that fits this description? I don't think so. Here too John called The word of God (Jesus) the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. That is Jesus and so is John 1:1-14
If you can't see the comparison here you sure are blinded by something…..The Holy Spirit of God is not a person….and did not become flesh…..It was Jesus and will be Jesus coming again…..
Also since the Holy Spirit of God is like the wind, it needs a body to contain in…..Just like we get God's Holy Spirit at Baptism Jesus has God's Holy Spirit in Him full strength…
Peace Irene
Hi Irene,Compare Rev.19:11-21 with Isaiah 63:3-10.and you will see that
Isaiah 63:3 and 10 identify “The Word” in Rev.19:13 as the “HolySpirit”!“the sharp sword” is “The Word”!
And the “HolySpirit” is HE and I !What do you suppose “the sharp sword” is in Rev.19:15?
Rev.19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it
he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron:
and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me:
for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood
shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.But they rebelled, and vexed
his HolySpirit: therefore he
was turned to be their enemy,
and he fought against them. (Isaiah 63:10)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed Where in Isaiah 63 has nothing to do with Jesus. Only verse 11 is the Holy Spirit mentioned, and that is were Moses saying about the Holy Spirit being in them….While Rev. 13 speaks what Jesus is.and what He will be doing when He comes again……..but with your idea of John 1;1 you only see so far, everything is God's Holy Spirit to you…..Peace Irene…..Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 29 2010,04:25) Mike, Irene and Terrarica, I find it odd that people here debate for so long, on and on and on, and why ? What purpose is there to it ? Is it to drive people mad ? Do you ever fear that maybe you could shatter someones belief through debating ? This is all meaningless, what you do here. Especially when people get hurt. Who started this thread and why was it started ? Was it not an obsession over debate ? Where is God in all of this ? Where are peoples feelings and where is love? Love is deeper than what you think. Sad, so sad.
Shimmer,
You're right, After all points are covered, agree to dis-agree. Scripture tells us; “Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.”. and “Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.” Some times we need to let the Holy Spirit convince someone of a truth (and sometimes we need to be convinced).So you did the right thing, you “warned them before God” about endless discussion and you reminded them to show love, after all “If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.”
My opinion – Wm
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,02:12) Hi Everyone, I post this in behalf of JustAskin… Hey edu,
Thanks for the support.
I am not banned. Mikeboll64 has stopped me posting.
Why has he chosen this moment exactly to go on a vacation?
Sheer coincidence or other reason? Edj is was leaving anyway.The three kings made me realise that the
fleshly nature man cannot be overcome by sensibility nor reason.
Mikeboll64 is on a powertrip. He has been balled out by everyone he
has ever come across…his brother, his family, WJ, KJ, … And he
demands selfrreasurrance.
When he realises he is yet again wrong, he got angry and said “oh no,
not again” (hitchhikers guide to the galaxy). “I ain't losing again…”
So he embarked on a campaign of protest to remove the source of his
irritation and antagony… So, he twisted the purpose of the thread,
made it a out the only thing that comes near to 'spirit has
body','Spiritual Body'.
(un)fortunately for him more fleshbased posters came to his rescue.Who knows who may have PM'd who, but certainly Irene was completely
misled and according to Gene, she has been over the same issue without
positive comprehension. She found, out of every everyday commonsense
definition, one from what looks like a linguistic university thesis
project that allude… to what she wanted to read. After that she
looked nowhere else, indeed would not look anywhere else.
Edj this is a trait of a type of person… It is driven by fear… I
know, my ex-wife was like that…believe me, it ain't fun being with such a one.
Mike milked the support … Terra was just angry at me… His posts
were hollow, empty, devoid of purpose and sense…I tried to avoid
responding to empty air but it was hard.
Yes, I got angry, raging angry at the deliberate nonsense and said,
“finish here. These three are agreeing from being led by Mikeboll64.Irene
saying that Terrestrial means Sun Moon Stars…killer showed she
knows she is lying…then notice that she went offline with George
taking over…
Notice also that she deliberately chose Celestial by itself, and not
Celestial body…why, because Celestial Body showed 'Things in the
visible Heavens. Note the plural, meaning Sky and Galactic Space, not
'Heaven' the abode of God.
So, whether from sheer naivity or deliberate lying Irene brought
herself into ill repute…but who will remember?Mike also knew he had lost again…
Three times now against JustAskin.
It was too much for the 'old man'.
Post this to the forum.
Thank you.
This is so ridiculous and even half true. I posted about what celestial means and not terrestrial. I went even to the internet and got the answer. I showed Scriptures that there is a Spiritul body, all He did was deny them. Then I stopped to debate with Him….I also answered Shimmer. And seekingtruth how do you know whether I am loving or not or shimmer for that matter. This forum is for debating scriptures. Loving we do with our neighbor and Family…..Ja was so abusive He deserved those tiles. He called mike all kinds of names, which is so uncalled for.
Ed I think you are mad at me, because I told Kathie to ignore you and that you are flooded Her tread. What purpose is there to bring this up…..but to cause divisions…shame on you…..and wrong to do so…..Irene
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,12:33) Ah did dum. look at the old man mike…isn't he looking pious and kind – butter, melt, wouldn't …get the picture…
has anyone seen Mike's debates in this forum – MR ANGRY hasn't got anything on him…
Mike, what is the next colour like – I wanna see it….please pretty please…
1 post to MikeQuote (terraricca @ Dec. 28 2010,04:46) Mike have a good trip,may God be with you, i just order a English version of the SEPTENGIN it only contain the old testament
it is different
Pierre
Hi Pierre,Thanks for the well wishes from you and Irene and Kathi.
So much for “sunny California”!
But we're having fun anyway. The LXX is only the OT. It is the Hebrew Law and Prophets translated into Greek. Are you reading Brenton's translation………or who's?
peace and love,
mikeJay isn't here to defend Himself is he Irene ? So why bring thing's up when He can't ? Do you want me to find all of the posts where Mike was egging Him on to react like that ? Not only Mike but yourself too ? Calling Him a liar ? Why was this thread started in the first place ? And the other's ? It seems it was simply to challenge Jay on His beliefs. If it was supposed to be a debate then why was it put under 'truth or tradition?' why wasn't it put in debates ? There's a difference between a debate and a discussion you know.
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 26 2010,05:33) Hey Mad Mike, Why do you say I have a hang up about “Spiritual Body” when that is the very thing that is quoted in Scriptures. It is YOU and George and Irene and Terra who are saying “Spirit Body” when there is NOT A SINGLE REFERENCE TO “SPIRIT BODY” ANYWHERE in the WHOLE of the Scriptures nor dictionary nor by the Church fathers nor by ANYONE….
MAD MIKE, it was YOU WHO MADE UP THE TERM and are trying to promote it over what was written by the Apostles…it was YOU MAD MIKE who invented “SPIRIT BODIES” …now it is tied to you …
MAD MIKE …Post me a a single verse, two verses, three….whatever that says “SPIRIT BODY” or “SPIRIT BODIES”….
And Mad Mike, please don't do what George did by posting “Drop the “UAL”…
Just as Irene was coming round to the truth she has stopped posting and George has taken over to maintain the lie…He wants to cover for his wife… sad … George, don't cover, uncover….uncover Truth, then lead your wife to it….make her drink…if she will.
and another post by JAQuote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,16:21) Terra, Are those three clowns the
“We Three Kings DIS-Oriented are?”altogether now:
“We Three Kings DIS-Oriented are”
“Lies and deceit we bring from afar”
“Truth discounting”
“Slanders mounting”
“And Terrestrial means 'moon and Star'?”
and antherQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 28 2010,09:26) S: (N) CELESTIAL BODY, HEAVENLY BODY, (NATURAL OBJECTS VISIBLE IN THE SKY)> Notice it say VISIBLE OBJECTS not (INVISIBLE OBJECTS) (IN THE SKY)>
Gene,The following is from page 111 of this thread, please read it all and tell me once again how “celestial” ONLY means VISIBLE things. Or better yet, answer the challenge I gave to JA. Show us a LINK where we can go and see a definition of “celestial” that DOESN'T list heavenly BEINGS. Gene, BEINGS that live in heaven along with God are CELSTIAL beings.
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 26 2010,05:53) So what i have been saying all along is that Paul at no time is speaking of anything but the fleshly body in 1 Corinth 15.
Once again JA:ce·les·tial (s-lschl)
adj.
1. Of or relating to the sky or the heavens: Planets are celestial bodies.
2. Of or relating to heaven; divine: celestial beings.
3. Supremely good; sublime: celestial happiness.
4. Celestial Of or relating to the Chinese people or to the former Chinese Empire.
n.A heavenly being; a god or angel
1. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) heavenly; divine; spiritual celestial peace
2. (Astronomy) of or relating to the sky celestial bodiesFrom http://www.thefreedictionary.com/celestial (Found on the first page shown on Google)
Celestial | Define Celestial at Dictionary.com/səˈlɛs tʃəl/ Show Spelled[suh-les-chuh l] Show IPA. –adjective. 1. pertaining to the sky or visible heaven. 2. pertaining to the spiritual or invisible …
That one is copied right from the front page, 3rd listing from the top on the Google page itself.
Definition of CELESTIAL
1: of, relating to, or suggesting heaven or divinityThat one was from the 4th listing down on the Google page. It was from Mirian Webster's Dictionary.
Religion
Celestial Kingdom, the highest of three heavens or heavenly kingdoms in Mormon theology
Heaven
Supernatural beings that dwell in heaven such as divinities and angelsAnd that one was from Wikipedia, the 2nd listed entry on the Google page when you Google “celestial”.
Seems to me like someone wasn't being quite truthful before. JA made a big deal of telling Irene and I that when you Google “celestial”, there is nothing about any “angels” or “heavenly spirtual beings”. But these are all from the very first Google page.
Are these enough for you JA?
mike
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 30 2010,10:26) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,02:12) Hi Everyone, I post this in behalf of JustAskin… Hey edu,
Thanks for the support.
I am not banned. Mikeboll64 has stopped me posting.
Why has he chosen this moment exactly to go on a vacation?
Sheer coincidence or other reason? Edj is was leaving anyway.The three kings made me realise that the
fleshly nature man cannot be overcome by sensibility nor reason.
Mikeboll64 is on a powertrip. He has been balled out by everyone he
has ever come across…his brother, his family, WJ, KJ, … And he
demands selfrreasurrance.
When he realises he is yet again wrong, he got angry and said “oh no,
not again” (hitchhikers guide to the galaxy). “I ain't losing again…”
So he embarked on a campaign of protest to remove the source of his
irritation and antagony… So, he twisted the purpose of the thread,
made it a out the only thing that comes near to 'spirit has
body','Spiritual Body'.
(un)fortunately for him more fleshbased posters came to his rescue.Who knows who may have PM'd who, but certainly Irene was completely
misled and according to Gene, she has been over the same issue without
positive comprehension. She found, out of every everyday commonsense
definition, one from what looks like a linguistic university thesis
project that allude… to what she wanted to read. After that she
looked nowhere else, indeed would not look anywhere else.
Edj this is a trait of a type of person… It is driven by fear… I
know, my ex-wife was like that…believe me, it ain't fun being with such a one.
Mike milked the support … Terra was just angry at me… His posts
were hollow, empty, devoid of purpose and sense…I tried to avoid
responding to empty air but it was hard.
Yes, I got angry, raging angry at the deliberate nonsense and said,
“finish here. These three are agreeing from being led by Mikeboll64.Irene
saying that Terrestrial means Sun Moon Stars…killer showed she
knows she is lying…then notice that she went offline with George
taking over…
Notice also that she deliberately chose Celestial by itself, and not
Celestial body…why, because Celestial Body showed 'Things in the
visible Heavens. Note the plural, meaning Sky and Galactic Space, not
'Heaven' the abode of God.
So, whether from sheer naivity or deliberate lying Irene brought
herself into ill repute…but who will remember?Mike also knew he had lost again…
Three times now against JustAskin.
It was too much for the 'old man'.
Post this to the forum.
Thank you.
This is so ridiculous and even half true. I posted about what celestial means and not terrestrial. I went even to the internet and got the answer. I showed Scriptures that there is a Spiritul body, all He did was deny them. Then I stopped to debate with Him….I also answered Shimmer. And seekingtruth how do you know whether I am loving or not or shimmer for that matter. This forum is for debating scriptures. Loving we do with our neighbor and Family…..Ja was so abusive He deserved those tiles. He called mike all kinds of names, which is so uncalled for.
Ed I think you are mad at me, because I told Kathie to ignore you and that you are flooded Her tread. What purpose is there to bring this up…..but to cause divisions…shame on you…..and wrong to do so…..Irene
Hi Irene,You got a guilty conscience? …No, I'm not mad at you in the least!
I eliminated anger out of my life a long time ago. (co.3:8 / James 1:20)I have been in contact with JustAskin by e-mail, and he asked me
to Post this for him. so I looked at the rules, and said I would
only if I could 'censor' what I considered abusive language.
He agreed, so I gave him an opportunity to voice his concerns.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS> I was NOT planing of making a habit of this!Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2010,15:04) Mike Boll, I have petitioned God to grant you a safe trip. Take care.
Thank you Kerwin.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 29 2010,02:20) All the above is dealing with visible bodies, nothing there is implying (invisible) at all. Now lets go on following Paul words
Gene,Paul is talking about the resurrection of PEOPLE. Do you think that Paul was teaching that PEOPLE would be resurrected with PLANETS as bodies?
mike
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 29 2010,06:02) I say, he offered up his body, not just his blood; I say that since you seam to see a difference there.
Hi Georg,And you might be right. Pierre has posted a scripture from the last supper where Jesus definitely says he offers his BODY for us.
I'm just trying to make that scripture work out with the one where Jesus says he is NOT [yet] a spirit. I know Jesus is a spirit NOW, and I have posted that 1 Cor 15 scripture many times as proof, along with Galatians 1:1 and 1:12 – which both make it clear that Jesus is no longer a man.
But I just don't know how to reconcile Luke 22:19 with Luke 24:39. Do you?
peace and love,
mikeQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 29 2010,09:29)
To All…………One thing i have noticed Here over the years people tend to say what Scripture does not (SPECIFICALLY) SAY.
Like you adding the word “IN” into John 1:14? That one little word changes the entire meaning of scripture – and not even just that one scripture. How could you add the word when it's not there, Gene?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 29 2010,09:29)
I have a suggestion to all try getting an original TYNDALE BIBLE they are available on the Internet. I don't now have one but i am planning to get one , they have just aired a one hour program about Tyndale here and all the pains he went through to give the average person a true translated bible even at the cost of his own life by being burned at the stake.
That is interesting. You have piqued my interest in this. Thanks.peace and love,
mikeQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2010,11:12) Hi Gene, The diversity in our understandings of Scripture should cause us to…
1) Look deeper into the Scriptures.
2) Reexamine and align our own beliefs to “the Word”!
3) Explain each and every point we wish to make using Scriptural backing!Peace and love to you and yours………………………………….Ed J
Well put Ed……….I agree completely.mike
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,10:47) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 30 2010,10:26) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 30 2010,02:12) Hi Everyone, I post this in behalf of JustAskin… Hey edu,
Thanks for the support.
I am not banned. Mikeboll64 has stopped me posting.
Why has he chosen this moment exactly to go on a vacation?
Sheer coincidence or other reason? Edj is was leaving anyway.The three kings made me realise that the
fleshly nature man cannot be overcome by sensibility nor reason.
Mikeboll64 is on a powertrip. He has been balled out by everyone he
has ever come across…his brother, his family, WJ, KJ, … And he
demands selfrreasurrance.
When he realises he is yet again wrong, he got angry and said “oh no,
not again” (hitchhikers guide to the galaxy). “I ain't losing again…”
So he embarked on a campaign of protest to remove the source of his
irritation and antagony… So, he twisted the purpose of the thread,
made it a out the only thing that comes near to 'spirit has
body','Spiritual Body'.
(un)fortunately for him more fleshbased posters came to his rescue.Who knows who may have PM'd who, but certainly Irene was completely
misled and according to Gene, she has been over the same issue without
positive comprehension. She found, out of every everyday commonsense
definition, one from what looks like a linguistic university thesis
project that allude… to what she wanted to read. After that she
looked nowhere else, indeed would not look anywhere else.
Edj this is a trait of a type of person… It is driven by fear… I
know, my ex-wife was like that…believe me, it ain't fun being with such a one.
Mike milked the support … Terra was just angry at me… His posts
were hollow, empty, devoid of purpose and sense…I tried to avoid
responding to empty air but it was hard.
Yes, I got angry, raging angry at the deliberate nonsense and said,
“finish here. These three are agreeing from being led by Mikeboll64.Irene
saying that Terrestrial means Sun Moon Stars…killer showed she
knows she is lying…then notice that she went offline with George
taking over…
Notice also that she deliberately chose Celestial by itself, and not
Celestial body…why, because Celestial Body showed 'Things in the
visible Heavens. Note the plural, meaning Sky and Galactic Space, not
'Heaven' the abode of God.
So, whether from sheer naivity or deliberate lying Irene brought
herself into ill repute…but who will remember?Mike also knew he had lost again…
Three times now against JustAskin.
It was too much for the 'old man'.
Post this to the forum.
Thank you.
This is so ridiculous and even half true. I posted about what celestial means and not terrestrial. I went even to the internet and got the answer. I showed Scriptures that there is a Spiritul body, all He did was deny them. Then I stopped to debate with Him….I also answered Shimmer. And seekingtruth how do you know whether I am loving or not or shimmer for that matter. This forum is for debating scriptures. Loving we do with our neighbor and Family…..Ja was so abusive He deserved those tiles. He called mike all kinds of names, which is so uncalled for.
Ed I think you are mad at me, because I told Kathie to ignore you and that you are flooded Her tread. What purpose is there to bring this up…..but to cause divisions…shame on you…..and wrong to do so…..Irene
Hi Irene,You got a guilty conscience? …No, I'm not mad at you in the least!
I eliminated anger out of my life a long time ago. (co.3:8 / James 1:20)I have been in contact with JustAskin by e-mail, and he asked me
to Post this for him. so I looked at the rules, and said I would
only if I could 'censor' what I considered abusive language.
He agreed, so I gave him an opportunity to voice his concerns.God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS> I was NOT planing of making a habit of this! no Sir, my conscience is free as bird…..your tactcs are wrong…..Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 30 2010,10:37) Jay isn't here to defend Himself is he Irene ? So why bring thing's up when He can't ? Do you want me to find all of the posts where Mike was egging Him on to react like that ? Not only Mike but yourself too ? Calling Him a liar ? Why was this thread started in the first place ? And the other's ? It seems it was simply to challenge Jay on His beliefs. If it was supposed to be a debate then why was it put under 'truth or tradition?' why wasn't it put in debates ? There's a difference between a debate and a discussion you know.
Shimmer! He had Ed put a post up and to that I responded…..you can look all those post up yourself were he was so abusive to Mike, Pierre and me…….and that seems to be just fine with you, why….>? Irene
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