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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2010,00:50) Since we're now in “the day of the LORD”,
the rudiments are all starting to burn up!
Ed, The Day of the Lord has not come yet. 2nd Peter 3.Shimmer,
I agree that you are right to say, “That's right jay”.
Mikeboll is weaving his way towards this belief while pretending he isn't and making arguments with everyone to muddy the waters as he steers his way over to my shores…
When he gets here …he will say that he was here all the time – and it was JustAskin who just arrived.
What Mike is doing is saying he doesn't believe Jesus was raised in the Flesh…but then he is saying Jesus was raised in the flesh.
He wanted to say that Jesus was raised a s Spirit – Which is what he was trying to “PROVE” by saying “SPIRIT” instead of “SPIRITUAL” but now he realises that he cannot maintain that stance has has slighted his posts under the muddying of the waters to now say that Jesus was raised as Flesh.
Mikeboll wanted to say Jesus was raised as Spirit because he couldn't understand how a “Flesh and Bone body” could enter into a locked room – therefore, to him, Jesus MUST have been Spirit…but then he read the Scriptures where Jesus said “Flesh and Bone doth not a Spirit have”…so that completely threw him and he went into a jello-wobble…his theories blasted to kingdom come…
he also says that Jesus is Flesh and Bone but is is Heaven – when Scriptures says that Flesh and Blood cannot enter Heaven – Blasted again Mike…!!!
Mike, don't these things hurt you…are you made of Kevlar? That is so sad – there is a point to pain, ma man, it is there to warn you that sommat is wrong…if you are kevlar, then you will keep getting into painful situations and never learn from it because you never feel it…
Jay, I was watching a documentary about astronauts on the Apollo… they said the thing that meant the most to them wasn't actually being on the Moon, but in seeing our planet Earth and how beautiful it was.
They said that while up there and looking at our planet, they could put up their thumb, and hide the Earth behind it…it was as small as a Pea. Everything they had ever known…Friends, Family, Work, everything – all hidden behind their thumb. And when they got back, they treasured life and the planet more than they ever had before. One would sit in Cafe's and watch people walking past knowing how insignificant and easily solved our problems really were.
Yes Shimmer,
It's like near-death experience.When you come out of it petty life matters seem just that – petty.
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 27 2010,08:01) hi Mike this is my view base;
Ge 4:4 But Abel brought fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering,Ex 12:1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in Egypt,
Ex 12:2 “This month is to be for you the first month, the first month of your year.
Ex 12:3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household.
Ex 12:4 If any household is too small for a whole lamb, they must share one with their nearest neighbor, having taken into account the number of people there are. You are to determine the amount of lamb needed in accordance with what each person will eat.
Ex 12:5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats.
Ex 12:6 Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight.
Ex 12:7 Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs.
Ex 12:8 That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast.
Ex 12:9 Do not eat the meat raw or cooked in water, but roast it over the fire—head, legs and inner parts.
Ex 12:10 Do not leave any of it till morning; if some is left till morning, you must burn it.
Ex 12:11 This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is the LORD'S Passover.Ex 12:43 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover:
“No foreigner is to eat of it.
Ex 12:48 “An alien living among you who wants to celebrate the LORD'S Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat of itEx 34:25 “Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast,
Nu 9:12 They must not leave any of it till morning or break any of its bones. When they celebrate the Passover, they must follow all the regulations.
Dt 16:2 Sacrifice as the Passover to the LORD your God an animal from your flock or herd at the place the LORD will choose as a dwelling for his Name.(THIS IS OUR HEARTHS)
Dt 16:2 Sacrifice as the Passover to the LORD your God an animal from your flock or herd at the place the LORD will choose as a dwelling for his Name.
Mt 26:18 He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’
Jesus’ disciples asked him, “Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
Lk 22:15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.
Jn 13:1 It was just before the Passover Feast. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them the full extent of his love.
Heb 11:28 By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.
1Co 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
1Co 5:7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
Jn 6:55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
Jn 6:56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.
Jn 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.Phil 3:3 For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh—
Lev 7:16 “ ‘If, however, his offering is the result of a vow or is a freewill offering, the sacrifice shall be eaten on the day he offers it, but anything left over may be eaten on the next day.
Lev 7:17 Any meat of the sacrifice left over till the third day must be burned up.Lev 7:16 “ ‘If, however, his offering is the result of a vow or is a freewill offering, the sacrifice shall be eaten on the day he offers it, but anything left over may be eaten on the next day.
Lev 7:17 Any meat of the sacrifice left over till the third day must be burned up.Ro 3:25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood (live is in the blood). He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished—
Eph 5:2 and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
Heb 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the BODY of Jesus Christ once for all.1Jn 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 4:10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.This is in short what make me believe that Christ was resurrected in spirit,Just as the body of Moses was take away and out of the hands of men ,so it was with the body of Christ ,the usefulness of that body after the sacrifice was made was so ended.
what Paul explain is that the shadow of the law has now become real.this also need understanding.
Pierre
Hi Pierre,That's a nice list of scriptures. Would you be so kind as to point out which one of them says it was the BODY of Jesus that was sacrificed……..instead of the BLOOD of Jesus?
Or at least why you think any ONE of them points your thoughts in that direction?
Thanks. Peace and Love to you,
mikeIs any of this “Flesh and Bone” and “Blood Sacrifice” have anything to do with Spirits having bodies?
Who is the Moderator for this thread? Come to think of it – who is a Moderator and what does a Moderator Do?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2010,07:32) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,06:49) mike! lets take Phil. 3:21 Phl 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers;1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
again, blood and body are sacrificed. A body cannot exist without the blood…..
Please give me other Scriptures….
Peace and love Irene
Hi Irene,You post two scriptures that tell us two things. First that Paul longs for his FLESH body to be TRANSFORMED into a body like Jesus now has – presumably the same way Jesus' flesh body was TRANSFORMED into the glorious spiritual body he now has.
Second, you list a scripture that supports what I'M saying – that it was the BLOOD of Jesus, not the BODY of Jesus, that redeemed us.
But then you somehow come to the reasoning that these scriptures say “blood AND body” are sacrificed when neither of them says that.
And you end with your reasoning that a body cannot exist without blood. But God has made many living things that exist without blood, although they have a form of flesh. Fungus comes to mind right off the bat. Do you really think God couldn't have made Jesus alive without his blood if He wanted to?
I appreciate the scriptures and questions and points, Irene. It is by taking this “scripture by scripture” approach that we will arrive eventually at the truth of the matter – whatever that may be.
peace and love,
mike
Mike! Are you not reaching for straws here. A body of flesh exist like fungus??? go to a Funeral Home and see what the body looks like without the blood. Come on….Sorry Mike but I am really disappointed in you….I gave you the Scripture to show what you said, but i also said this1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cr 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
You simple don't understand the ransom……
Peace and love Irene
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,10:12) he also says that Jesus is Flesh and Bone but is is Heaven – when Scriptures says that Flesh and Blood cannot enter Heaven – Blasted again Mike…!!!
JA,I already addressed this issue once today. I have argued this whole time that flesh CANNOT be in heaven, and therefore the glorious body Jesus now has is the SPIRITUAL body he was given because he is now a SPIRIT.
Listen up closely, please. You will not be allowed to KEEP attributing things to me that I didn't say or believe. Most of us quote the other's post in our own posts so all can see what is being discussed from both sides. You refuse to do this. But now you need to. I will give you the same choice I gave KJ when he started misrepresenting my words:
1. Publically apologize and fix it.
2. Quote the post of my words where I said Jesus had flesh and bone in heaven.
3. Receive a block.The choice is yours, but one of first two things has to happen……….and soon – or the third thing will happen. I will pm this post to you so I know you have seen it.
moderator
To all! Sorry this is going to far. Mike and JA are at each others throat and so are kathi and Ed. I am baling out. Good bye
Mike, I am going to ask t8 to take away your Moderator status as you seem to want to play God with it.
Who killed Roger rabbit? You are holding a smoking gun and a shot has been fired – it is assumed it is you who fired…
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,10:49) Is any of this “Flesh and Bone” and “Blood Sacrifice” have anything to do with Spirits having bodies? Who is the Moderator for this thread? Come to think of it – who is a Moderator and what does a Moderator Do?
It's not you anymore, so you don't need to worry about it. I'm the one who started the thread and I'm the one moderating it. I'll “moderate” as the need arises. So far, your posts are getting more and more abusive by the day, and they are currently the only thing I've noticed on this thread that deserves my attention as moderator.Be warned JA. You can address my UNDERSTANDINGS of scripture. You can disagree with them. You can call them wrong or even stupid. But you are aiming your attacks at me personally, and not my understanding of scripture.
Stop. And I mean NOW.
Last warning JA. The next verbally abusive post will get you another block.
mike
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,10:53) Mike! Are you not reaching for straws here. A body of flesh exist like fungus??? go to a Funeral Home and see what the body looks like without the blood. Come on….Sorry Mike but I am really disappointed in you….I gave you the Scripture to show what you said, but i also said this
Come on now Irene!
You and I have posted side by side for a long time here. You must know that you “being disappointed in me” is not cause for me to either go against scripture, OR to accept a human's interpretation of it without scriptural support.
If someone being disappointed in me was all it took to sway me, then I'd agree with JA on everything now. Because the Lord knows, I wouldn't be able to take his son laughing at my posts! 
Let's start over Irene. Let's forget the “fungus” or anything else on earth that exists without blood. Just answer three simple questions:
1. Is it possible for God to give life to a human being without the use of blood?
2. Does scripture EVER say it was Jesus' BODY that was the sacrifice?
3. Does scripture EVER say it was Jesus' BLOOD that was the sacrifice?
Baby steps, Irene. Let's take it slow. It might take more time to get there, but when we do, we will have arrived at the right place.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,11:09) Mike, I am going to ask t8 to take away your Moderator status as you seem to want to play God with it. Who killed Roger rabbit? You are holding a smoking gun and a shot has been fired – it is assumed it is you who fired…
JA,You've got until tomorrow to either apologize and come clean that you've misrepresented me, or show where I've EVER said Jesus had a “flesh and bone body in heaven”.
You've returned my pm, so I know you saw the warning. Please heed it.
mike
Quote (Baker @ Dec. 27 2010,11:07) To all! Sorry this is going to far. Mike and JA are at each others throat and so are kathi and Ed. I am baling out. Good bye
Hi Irene,I understand your point. I'm right in the middle of one of the issues, but I sure didn't ask to be, nor do I enjoy it. Trust me, the problem with JA and I will be resolved very soon. He will begin to post with respect toward all, or not at all.
It's only right. This is a Christian site after all.
peace and love and apologies,
mikeQuote Fix it with an apology or get a block. That's the only deal I'm offering. And I'm about to post another warning to you in the “bodies” thread. Heed the warning JA. I'm not the only one here that's sick and tired of your “anything but Christian” posts on a Christian website. I have no problem whatsoever blocking you right off the site, and have gotten direct permission from t8 to deal with you as I see fit. Why do you feel it's necessary to take things to such a personal and hateful level? Why can't you address my posts DIRECTLY and show me SCRIPTURALLY how I'm wrong? Well, that's how it's going to be – one way or another. I want this to be a place where all can share their understandings – and even disagree with each other at times……………BUT WITH RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER. Either SHOW RESPECT towards all, or you don't need to be here anyway.
And if you have a case where I misquoted someone, then bring it up. I will HAPPILY apologize, ask forgiveness, and fix the problem in front of all.
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,11:06)
Mike,Speak of yourself.
You also post MANY MANY MANY things that others have not said in your post.
Seems your Kevlar skin is leaking…Did it hurt Mike.
You are attacking me because i speak the truth about you.
You are twisting and reshaping yourself without apologising for your incompetent postings – readjusting your views without admitting your errors – then pretending that was what you were saying all along – that, my not so friend – is called DECEPTION!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2010,10:56)
Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 27 2010,10:12)
he also says that Jesus is Flesh and Bone but is is Heaven – when Scriptures says that Flesh and Blood cannot enter Heaven – Blasted again Mike…!!!JA,
I already addressed this issue once today. I have argued this whole time that flesh CANNOT be in heaven, and therefore the glorious body Jesus now has is the SPIRITUAL body he was given because he is now a SPIRIT.
Listen up closely, please. You will not be allowed to KEEP attributing things to me that I didn't say or believe. Most of us quote the other's post in our own posts so all can see what is being discussed from both sides. You refuse to do this. But now you need to. I will give you the same choice I gave KJ when he started misrepresenting my words:
1. Publically apologize and fix it.
2. Quote the post of my words where I said Jesus had flesh and bone in heaven.
3. Receive a block.The choice is yours, but one of first two things has to happen……….and soon – or the third thing will happen. I will pm this post to you so I know you have seen it.
moderator
Mikeboll64,
The UNSCRIPTURAL POSTS are coming from YOU…
YOU are the one posting FALSE Scriptures claiming such UNFOUNDED SCRIPTURAL TERMS as “SPIRIT BODY”
Mikeboll64,
SHOW ME ONE VERSE from ANY BIBLE, and SCRIPTURE that Says “SPIRIT BODY” —
No you can't – why — It doesn't EXIST — Mikeboll64 — YOU MADE IT UP because you couldn't stand to say you were wrong that Spirits had bodies and you have been twisting and turning ever since.
Your position has shifted more times than the Monkeys in the adverts had cups of tea (British commercial).
Celestial Means “Spirits” – what a laugh – you really are cracked – Compos Mentis.
Click on Google and type “Celestial Body” in the search bar – Mike, what do you get…. ha haaa – yes Mike….”SUN, Moon and Stars”….Mike, why did you and Irene Lie about this – Your searched under every rock (Small 'r' – not God or Jesus or Peter nor the Church…) and stone to find one small insignificant definition that included “Spirit” even so, from the Mormon church saying “Alluding to”, “maybe”, “could also mean”…”Spirit”…wow Mike, such evidence – ever thought of becoming a detective…you would be great at dredging up false evidence.
And Irene…It is not MIKE AND JA are at each others throat – …MIKE IS AT EVERYONE's THROAT… READ the other threads…
“And he shall dwell in Tents – and his hand will be against everyone – and everyone's hand shall be against him”
What does this means “He shall dwell in Tents”?
Well, What is a Tent, as opposed to a Walled building, A house? Is is not that a tent can be picked up at a moments notice and moved on, never stable, made of shifting material…no firm foundation…found here today, elsewhere tomorrow.Yes, Mikeboll's mind and arguments…a tent – made of shifting material – nothing solid – no foundation – moved about whenever the wind of truth shakes him…fear of a debate ending…fear of being wrong (Yet he says “I couldn't care less” – ha! a man who couldn't care more for his incompeTENT views, more like!)
Spirits, he says, “Must have a body…What separates one from from the other then”? ha ha – this is wisdom he says he gets from God – Who is this God that gives false Wisdom to this boaster – oh yeah – God almighty who says “I will send them a Spirit of Stupor”.
Yes, t8 rightly allows ike to do as he will; Is this not God said to Satan, to Lucifer: “Do as you like – but don't take his life”…Mikeboll64 supersedes that by wanting to take my “heavenNet Life”.
Well, they took the life of my Lord…who am i to expect less…
Mikeboll – lean over here and let me whisper so no one hears “Go do what you must do…”
Mikeboll64 lost his debate on “When was Jesus Begotten”…Mike LIED as to the interpretation of the Scriptures even when shown clear evidence in ACTS, Romans and Ephesians.
Mikeboll64 lost his debate on “Was Jesus always Superior” …even when shown clear evidence as “He was made lower than the Angels for a while”…Mike LIED by saying that “Even while he was NOT Superior He was Superior…because he commanded FALLEN ANGELS – Demons and they obeyed him”…Fallen Angels Mike…moreover, Angels don't command anyone except by speaking the words of God so even NON-fallen Angels he could command – IF HIS FATHER GAVE HIM THE AUTHOURITY – JUST AS HE COULD HAVE GIVEN ANY BELIEVING MAN.
Mike further says that Jesus was not less superior because he could have asked for a legion of Angels…Mike, Any MAN could do that if he BELIEVED – Like Daniel in the Lion's den…it is about Belief – Faith…that didn't make Jesus Superior…Mikeboll64 lost the debate on “Do Spirits have bodies”….Mike can't'prove' that SPIRITS have bodies so he shifted the discussion to “Did JESUS have a Spirit”…and “Did Jesus have a Body”…”Therefore Jesus has a SPIRIT BODY”
Has everyone stopped laughing yet? Well here's more…Mike says CELESTIAL MEANS “Spirit” and Saint Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 was talking about the Risen SPIRIT BODY of Jesus — but get this – Mike can't say what that SPIRIT BODY was made of – YET…get this too… YET Jesus showed his body to Thomas and got Thomas to touch his hand and side and feel that he was FLESH and BONE…
So, a problem here…Scriptures says Jesus was raised into a FLESH and Bone Body but Mike started off arguing counter saying Jesus was raised into Spirit -“A SPIRIT BODY”…the, when he realise he couldn't further that argument because his “King Companions2 were at his throat, he knelt down before them and agreed in typical Mikeboll64 fashion, “I am willing to change my mind if I can be show clear and categorical proof” (Struth brothers, if only Scriptures was that easy – Jesus wouldn't have had to suggest “FAITH”…hence he said to Thomas, “Because you have seen me you believe. happy are those who have not seen and yet believe” (Mike, the majority of these people had not yet even lived and some are still not yet even born today – you know why I say this!!)
Has Mikeboll64 ever backed down publically – does he fear being made a public spectacle in the market place – Mike….how can I say this nicely…,
mate, you already have…!!!Mikeboll64,
Quote You have been warned by a staff member. Your warning level has been increased, and this will be viewable to all members. Once you have reached the maximum warning level, your posting permissions will be revoked.
You have been warned from the following post: https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….y278465Post respectfully. Don't call me or any one else a liar, unless you can show proof that they lied. Your posts are disrespectful to all, especially to me. That's the ONLY thing that I have against you and the ONLY thing you are doing to get blocks JA. I have no problem with the imaginative things you claim, after all, many here have great imaginations that they like to use instead of scriptures. It's ONLY the disrespectful and abusive way you post.
And I won't stop blocking you until you stop posting disrespectfully.
Blocks Away – enjoy … Both the man who Spat on Jesus and the one who slapped him also enjoyed what they did believing they were being righteous to their leaders.
In fact, block me again on the left cheek.
Oooh, aren't these colours pretty…
Mike, what's the next colour like? Show me…please…is it prettier than this last one?
Mike,
What is a LIE? and is not a lie spoken by a liar…and who is the father of the Lie?
Mike, what is a Spirit Body….
Where did that term come from?
Who MADE IT UP…
Is it Scriptural?
Mike, please answer the questions above – point by point — without lying!!
Quote (FROM MY PM TO JA WARNING HIM OF HIS ABUSIVE POSTS @ 12-26-10) Fix it with an apology or get a block. That's the only deal I'm offering. And I'm about to post another warning to you in the “bodies” thread. Heed the warning JA. I'm not the only one here that's sick and tired of your “anything but Christian” posts on a Christian website. I have no problem whatsoever blocking you right off the site, and have gotten direct permission from t8 to deal with you as I see fit. Why do you feel it's necessary to take things to such a personal and hateful level? Why can't you address my posts DIRECTLY and show me SCRIPTURALLY how I'm wrong? Well, that's how it's going to be – one way or another. I want this to be a place where all can share their understandings – and even disagree with each other at times……………BUT WITH RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER. Either SHOW RESPECT towards all, or you don't need to be here anyway.
And if you have a case where I misquoted someone, then bring it up. I will HAPPILY apologize, ask forgiveness, and fix the problem in front of all.
Hi All,
JA was kind enough to post my warning pm to him. I'm glad he did, for now you all can see that I have no grudge, nor am I power tripping in any way. I ONLY want people to be respectful of the others here. This is a CHRISTIAN website for crying out loud. We should all try to behave as such.
I know discussions get heated here at times. And we all sometimes SCREAM when the other one is just not getting what we are saying. But there is no need to get personal about it. We can disagree with love, right?
Anyway, I've given JA yet another block because he has not yet stopped posting disrespectfully……….and called both Irene and I liars when we have done nothing of the such.
I will keep blocking him until he gets the message……..or until t8 tells me different. As I told him in my last warning to him, the ONLY thing I have against him is the verbal attacks. That's it. Nothing else.
Thank you all for you patience while having to put up with this ugliness.
peace and love,
mike
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