Do spirits have bodies?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 26 2010,06:43)

Mikes Dictionary quote…Do you see it says “HEAVEN”. Yet Paul never talks about “HEAVEN”. Paul talks about “HEAVENS” (oh, now now,…someone is going to say that they can't see the difference!!– oh dear oh dear!)

Sorry JA,

I've wasted enough time on your nonsense. Bye bye now.

mike

[JustAskin]

Mike,

can you Spiritually Wash your garments and make them Spiritual White?

Mike, do you know then that would mean you would be like the King with his glorious clothes…Invisible…you would be Naked.

Perhaps, Spiritual doesn't mean Spirit because Spirits are invisible…

Or were the Apostles walking around in INVISIBLE BODIES …Spiritual Bodies…Spirit Bodies.

Mikeboll says “I know that a spiritual body is the body BELONGING TO A SPIRIT…”…yet there is not a single verse in the whole of the BIBLE nor From any church fathers nor writings …not Jehovah's Witnesses, not Trinitarians, not Christadelphians, NO ONE that ever mentions “SPIRIT BODY”, not Just Martyr, Not Eusebius, not ANYONE….
…ONLY MIKEBOLL64 (And Irene and Terra and now George).

[JustAskin]

Ha Ha ha…

I'm sorry///not really.

I just reread Mikeboll's Celestial post above… He's quoting from a Mormon description…and from WIKIPEDIA.

WOW Mike….WOW and Wow and Wow…. Mike, did you try a real Dictionary…
Yes, and they said against you…you are quoting from decrepit sources to prove your case….Wow Mike wow…

Please Mike, show a quote from a reliable credible source – not some backstreet alley way dictionary… and the mormons??? you sure were desperate…even down to mistakenly leaving in “suggesting heaven or divinity”…Mike, 'suggesting' is hardly proof of anything…is it?

[JustAskin]

Yes Mike, run rabbit run…this was what WJ said of you in his debate with you…

Whwn you know you are wrong you run down your rabbit hole till all cools off then you come back out as if nothing had happened…

Mike, I can feel you shaking with realisation fear…

You know you are wrong …yet even when I fed you a leeway to submit you spat it back out.

[JustAskin]

Mikeboll,

Where does it say that Paul put on the Spiritual man? Only asking as you don't say…

Moreover, as Paul 'put on the Spiritual man' (Mike, What is a “SPIRITUAL MAN”) was he still in the flesh at the time and times after – just as Jesus was for FORTY DAYS?

See Mike, even as you struggle…you stray towards the truth…yes, Jesus was a SPIRITUAL MAN, in the FLESH….easy now Mike, easy…there's a danger you speak truth…not sommat you used to…does it frighten you – is that why you ran away…?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 26 2010,07:06)

Yes Mike, run rabbit run…this was what WJ said of you in his debate with you…

Poor JA.

Ever the boy court jester who longs so desparately to be king.

Hey JA, have you come up with a source that does NOT list invisible BEINGS in their defintion of “celestial”? I couldn't find one on Google.

Oh, and have you come up with an answer to Phil 3:21 yet?

mike

[Ed J]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 25 2010,21:21)

just as Paul says…and when he went to Heaven he 'put off the fleshly body' and went in the Spirit…'

Hi JustAskin,

This is also what I believe.
Could you please show the verse
where Shaool(the Apostle Paul) says this?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[JustAskin]

Edj,
Just google this “jesus puts off the flesh and goes into heaven”.

Flesh and Blood cannot enter heaven…therefore he must put off the Flesh before doing so.

Jesus was clearly REAL FLESH and Blood as he Proved to Thomas…Scriptures is written for a purpose…

Also, it is COMMON SENSE that a SPIRIT being cannot have a body as their domain is in the IMMATERIAL HEAVEN (Singular).
A Body, I asked Mike to define and he refused – why? easy…he can't stand to show you this:

“A body is composed of material matter” or a group of entities (a body of water…is lots of water in one place as distinct from water elsewhere…)

I asked him to define Spirit — he swaggered about then came up with some nonesense…so here it is:
“A spirit is an Immaterial entity, invisible, not composed of matter”

Mike then claims that “Jesus DID NOT take on the NATURE of an Angel but took the SEED of Abraham”…
I'm sure he thought he was saying something in that – but in fact it says against him…
What is the NATURE OF SPIRIT – Mike, in desperation, thought he's found something – he knew it was nothing but he pitched it anyway…any port in a storm… INVISIBLE, FORMLESS, FULL OF POWER….no, Jesus did not become so… but took on the SEED….as Paul says, the corrupt Seed of Abraham, a MAN after the Nature of ADAM, but holding fast to the wisdom and Righteousness of God, his Father.
And when he overcame at the end, his corrupt SEED planted, dead, into the ground, was raise up again into a Glorious, untainted, SINLESS, incorruptible BODY.
Why didn't Paul say he became like the Angels…nay, because Scriptures says he DID NOT BECOME an ANGEL but HIGHER THAN THEE ANGELS, THE VERY SON, Begotten, of God, A Man in Spirit Form. A man with the NATURE OF GOD himself. A man possessing a Glorified Body and a Glorified Spirit.
the Body for visible viewing in the physical realm, and a Spirit for existing in the Spirit realm.

When he is Spirit our eyes cannot see him…and he will come again in the flesh…How will he COME AGAIN in the FLESH if he is ALREADY in the Flesh in heaven…then we should be able ' as MIKEBOLL says, be able to 'Train a Telescope into the heavens, and see Jesus' because he is in a body in the CELESTIAL HEAVENS.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2010,05:24)

JA, Jesus is a spirit and Jesus has a body.  So, do spirits have bodies?  YES or NO? mike

Hi Mike,

We are “Spirit beings”, and we have “Bodies”.
Our spirit beings do have bodies; called human.

So the (real) questions are…

1) Do Angelic beings have bodies?
    This depends how you are defining the word “Bodies”?

2) Does (YHVH) God have a body?
    We know YHVH has our bodies to live in.
 A) Does YHVH have a body of his own?
     Once again, this depends how you are defining the word “Body”?
 B) So a simple yes or no will NOT do here either.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[JustAskin]

1 Peter 4:

(How does Peter say Jesus lived, suffer and die in the flesh and say we should approach suffering)
1 Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin.

(How does Peter say we should live in a Spiritual Body (yet physically in the flesh))
2 As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

(How was it said that the natural Body desires to live)
3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry.

[JustAskin]

When i asked Mike if the Holy Spirit has a body he said 'Yes, God'.

But Scriptures says 'God is a Spirit'.

So Mike is saying that God is the BODY of the Holy Spirit.

Mike says that God, who is Spirit is the BODY of the Holy Spirit…

So does the HOLY SPIRIT have a body…
Does the HOLY SPIRIT have a body…
Does the HOLY SPIRIT have a body…
ummm…
The Holy Spirit DOES NOT HAVE A BODY because …The BODY… the container … of the Holy Spirit is God.

Does Gas have a body? Does the air have a body…no but it can be contained IN a BODY (Gene is right here)
So does the gas have a body, does the Air have a body – if it is contained in a body, a can, a balloon, a cycle innertube…where does it go when it is released from the container into open air…

Mike says two Spirits can't coexist in the same space because they have bodies that separate them one from the other…yet how did a legion of Demon Angels inhabit the one man.
And how does Jesus indwell all of us with his one BODY.
And how does God indwell all of us with his one BODY.

Now, if the Spirit of Jesus is omnipresent, then he can be everywhere in us, without us, around us…so how is that a body?
A gas can be IN US, around us, without us, everywhere…and we can gather it in one place and put it in a body and discover it's properties, probe it's natures, measure it's parameters of operations. How could we do that of it had a body…a single body…only one 'gas' could be in one place at one time.
Jesus could only be in one place at one time…

This is why Jesus said, “I have to go away…because unless I go away, the Holy Spirit, the comforter cannot come”.
On earth, Jesus was in the Flesh, one man in one place at one time… for him to perform the great task, he had to be everywhere at all times…which meant putting off the flesh and becoming Spirit…

[JustAskin]

Just scouting around on the internet and I came across this:

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Daniel 12:3 3(A) And those who are wise(B) shall shine like the brightness of the sky above;[a] and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. Footnotes: Daniel 12:3 Hebrew the expanse; compare Genesis 1:6-8 Cross references: Daniel 12:3 : Daniel 11:33 Daniel 12:3 : Matt 13:43 Daniel 12:3 : Mal 2:6 English Standard Version (ESV) The Holy Bible, English Standard Version Copyright © 2001 by Crossway Bibles, a division of Good News Publishers. And this: Matthew 13:43 43Then(A) the righteous will shine like the sun(B) in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Now what does that remind any one of:
Celestial Bodies…maybe…
The sinful (seed of the) man will die and buried in the ground and be raised like the the Spiritual (plant of the) man and be like(PARALLELED WITH) the Celestial shining bodies…

[JustAskin]

Mike will stay out of this thread till everyone has forgotten that he made a massive boo boo…

Then he'll return spouting all that he said before as if nothing had changed…

[JustAskin]

Romans 8:10

10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

[JustAskin]

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1 Corinthians 15: 50I tell you this, brothers:(BK) flesh and blood(BL) cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Behold! I tell you a mystery.(BM) We shall not all sleep,(BN) but we shall all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For(BO) the trumpet will sound, and(BP) the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and(BQ) this mortal body must put on immortality. 54When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: (BR) “Death is swallowed up in victory.” 55(BS) “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”

In this passage…where does Paul change the perspective from Physical bodies to Spirits…
Nowhere, the Perishable Body will become Imperishable…
The sinful tendencies will be dissolved away…from the SAME BODY…and that same body will take on IMMORTALITY.
Nowhere does Paul say anything about SPIRIT…

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2010,03:22)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 25 2010,18:53) Hi Shimmer,       You left something out; was this to mislead? Quote (Ed J @ June 26 2010,13:04) The 'antichrist' message is: Jesus is going to come in the flesh; but the scripture says he already came. (Click Here) This 'antichrist' message that is deceiving the whole world is 'A FLESH SECOND COMING' of Jesus! “The second coming of Jesus” that “The Bible” refers to in John 14:23 occurred at “Pentecost”! The world is deceived (by spirit of 'antichrist') into 'thinking' Jesus will (Falsely) make a 'flesh return'!       FACT IS: JESUS RETURNED AT “PENTECOST”! Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, Paul wrote this letter AFTER Pentecost: 2 Thessalonians 2 NIV 1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. I don't want to get off topic on this thread, but I wonder how you can claim what you claim. peace and love, mike

Hi Mike,

The day of The LORD is, the third of YHVH's three main feasts, burning up all the rudiments!

                                    God's Signature

                יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
                YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
                Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
                HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
                God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)

                  The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
                  God's Name [יהוה] translates DIRECTLY into English as “YHVH”=63
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
                  is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
                  [“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.

1) “The Passover”=148              The Passover(74×2): made possible “Pentecost”=117
   “Messiah: Jesus”=148                “JESUS CHRIST“=151 was the “Testator”=151!

2) “Pentecost”=117                     Started  the “God Spirit”=117(Holy Spirit), which      
  “Former Rain”=117                    is “GOD THE FATHER”=117 reigning in Mankind!

3) “Feast of Booths”=151            begins The “HOLY SPIRIT”=151(The LORD JEHOVAH=151)
    “The Latter Rain”=151             “Tabernacles Feast”=151; being the culmination of all “THREE”!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2010,03:26)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 25 2010,19:16) 1) “The Passover”=148              “The Passover”: made possible “Pentecost”=117    “Messiah: Jesus”=148                  “JESUS CHRIST“=151 was the “The Testator”=151! 2) “Pentecost”=117                     Started  the “God Spirit”=117(Holy Spirit), which         “Former Rain”=117                    is “GOD THE FATHER”=117 reigning in Mankind! 3) “Feast of Booths”=151            begins The “HOLY SPIRIT”=151(God The Father)     “The Latter Rain”=151             “Tabernacles Feast”=151; the culmination of the “THREE”! Hey Ed, Why is it “THE” passover?  And why not “THE” Messiah?  Why “THE” Latter Rain, but not “THE” Holy Spirit.  And why do you not call it “The Feast of Tabernacles”?  The way you word it sounds like people will be feasting on tabernacles or something. peace and love to you my brother, mike

Hi Mike,

If we believe not, yet YHVH abideth faithful:
he cannot deny himself. (2Tmothy 2:13)
Ask, and ye shall receive. (Matt.7:7-8)

                        God's Signature

יהוה=26 (God's Name: YHVH pronounced YÄ-hä-vā)
YHVH=63 (God's Name יהוה translated into English)
Jesus=74 (God's Son's name in English is: “Joshua”)
HolySpirit=151 (“FATHER: The Word”: in all believers)
God The Father=117 (Representing “GOD”: יהוה האלהים)

First; There is no word for “OF” in either the Hebrew
“Masoretic texts”(Hebrew Old Testament) or the
“Textus Receptus”(Greek New Testament)

It usually not counted MOST OF THE TIME
using “English”(74) “Gematria'(74).
Examples of this Pattern:

“Son of God”(74) ……………………..(Luke 1:35)
“Blood of God”(74) …………………..(Acts 20:28)
“Spirit of God”(117) ………………….(Matt.3:16)
“Son of JEHOVAH”(117) …………….(Rev. 21:7)
“Feast of Tabernacles”(151) ………(John 7:2)

Secondly: The word “THE” is the definite article, defining
something specific. God knows when it's necessary!
Examples of there being ONLY one of something:

“The Passover”(74×2) (In Hebrew: 2×74=פסח).
The God Numbers(151): See God's Signature.
Jesus Christ(151) was “THE TESTATOR”(151).
HolySpirit(151) is “The LORD JEHOVAH”(151).
YHVH(63) will be(63) “The Latter rain”(151);
as there is only one, “The Latter rain”(151)!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Baker]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2010,03:58)

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 25 2010,19:26) MIKe Jesus body died and Christ was resurrected a living spirit ,that means he was back alive but in the spirit,and so took a body just to beable to talk to his disciples verbally because they could not recognize him physically and also show miracles so that they were sure he was resurrected, Hi Pierre, So what you're saying is that Jesus really WAS a spirit being with a manifested body when he lied to his disciples and said he was NOT a spirit, right? Hey Pierre, it might help to solve this issue if there was a scripture that specifically refers to Jesus' BODY being sacrificed for our sins.  I remember scriptures that say Jesus gave his life, but I can't remember any that say he gave his BODY as a sacrifice. Are there any that I'm forgetting? peace and love, mike

Mike! I agree with Pierre, did you not know that Jesus body was a ransom?
1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

And the we have

1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

If Jesus would have been resurrected in the flesh the ransom would not be a ransom…..therefore the body had to stay dead……IMO can Jesus magnify in order to show His Apostles and doubting Thomas? Yes, and that is what He did….
Peace and Love Irene

[terraricca]

Mike

the most important thing in all creation is this ;;Jn 12:23 Jesus replied, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.
Jn 12:28 Father, glorify your name!”
Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.”

what is that GLORY  that the son has to glorified ? what is that glory of God ??

what you think it is Mike ??

Pierre

[Ed J]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 25 2010,20:07)

Hi Ed. So, do you believe Jesus was risen in the flesh or Spirit ? A simple yes or no will do, thanks.

      Yes; um a, I mean No;   …hey wait a minute, this question can't be answered yes or no!

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2010,05:05)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 25 2010,21:50) A simple yes or no will NOT do! Your question cannot be answered with a yes or a no? Hi Ed, I thought the same thing when I saw Shimmer's post.     peace and love, mike

Hi Mike,

Yes; you see what I mean.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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