Do spirits have bodies?

[mikeboll64]

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JA all things were created through the Word/Logos which became Jesus. All things were created through Him it say's. Then the Word/Logos was made flesh.

Bravo!  Good for you for believing scripture over JA!

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Spirit has no body as Jesus pointed out to the Disciples.

Jesus said no such thing anywhere in the Bible Shimmer.  Jesus said that spirits don't have FLESH AND BONE.  That in no stretch of the imagination can be taken to say that spirits don't have bodies, Shimmer.  Why would a spirit being's body be made up of human flesh and human bone?

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Angels could have form we don't know that. It would be different from us though. Not a body as we have.

You just said the same thing that I just said!  Angels would not have a body like ours, consisting of flesh and bones, would they?  Paul said to every “seed”, God gives it's own kind of body.  As those of earth have earthly bodies, those of heaven have heavenly bodies.  This is what scripture teaches us.

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JA is telling the truth.

About what?

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Are there any here who believe Jesus is now only Spirit ? No Jesus is still raised flesh, a new creation.

Yes.  I believe Jesus is now a life giving SPIRIT.  I believe it because scripture says it.

1 Corinthians 15 NIV
45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

Shimmer, Jesus was “raised” as flesh.  “Raised” from the dead, that is.  Then he remained on earth as flesh for 40 days.  THEN he ascended to where he was before, right before the eyes of the disciples.  THEN, Stephen saw him in heaven at the right hand of his God.  If God is in “the Kingdom of God”, then Jesus can't possibly still be flesh.  Because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, Shimmer.  And because Jesus is where God is right now.  So either Jesus is NOT flesh anymore, or God and Jesus are NOT in “the Kingdom of God”.  

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1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

This is the scripture I was talking about last night, Shimmer.  Anyone claiming to be led by spirit yet still contradicting scripture is not being led by God's spirit.

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So it seems anyone who says Jesus is not still in the flesh is a deceiver according to the Bible.

That is not at all what those scriptures are saying Shimmer.  They are addressed towards those who claim the Messiah had not come at all.  They say nothing about Jesus STILL being flesh, only that we must believe that God's only begotten Son and Christ DID come in the flesh.

peace and love,
mike

[karmarie]

Jesus is now in a NEW type of body, though it is the same body He had on earth. It is glorified, changed, and all who follow will also be changed as Paul said. It's not the same body as we have here, you do not understand it. It is the same but it's different. It's a spiritual body.

[terraricca]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 11 2010,17:39)

Karmarie, Sorry to say, but this is their punishment for 'greiving' the Spirit. Mike, Terra and Irene are trying to goad me into being aggressive so Mike can give me a block. They have reported every post as 'abuse' in the hope of getting me a block. This is their plan. They realise they goofed big time but instead of being gracious in their cumulative defeat they aim to get rid of their opposition. Sadly, their triste with the devil has resulted in what you see here. What are they trying to '(dis)prove' now? And see, when confronted by the truth, how do they react. Terra, i have no idea what he is saying. Irene, i offer forgiveness but she still refuses the offer. Mike, …is just lost. I see, they are saying that Jesus has a body…and a Spirit. Well, whoever said he didn't? And who are they arguing with anyway? It seems the posts are to no one…. They are just posting so it appears they aren't running away…and pushing the pages over till they are lost. Then they will carry on as though nothing had happened.

JA

Terra, i have no idea what he is saying
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I am not surprised that you do not understand me ,you do not understand scriptures either,

so come down from your high post may be you will understand us all.

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

You are right that Jesus now has a SPIRITUAL body Shimmer.  Just like Paul said those of heaven have.  

You know what a earthly, fleshly body contains within it, right? An earthly, flesh being, right?

What do you suppose a HEAVENLY, SPIRITUAL BODY contains within it? Could it perhaps be a heavenly, spirit being?  

mike

[mikeboll64]

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I am not surprised that you do not understand me ,you do not understand scriptures either, so come down from your high post may be you will understand us all.

Amen to that.

JA, do you even realize how high and mighty you make yourself out to be while at the same time calling us idiots?

Arrogant and in error is a bad combination.

mike

[terraricca]

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Terrarica did you read the site I gave ? What you are all saying is what JWs say. Please just read it.

Karmarie

yes i went,but i am very familiar with JW my mom was one for over 40 years

Pierre

[karmarie]

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Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 11 2010,17:45) Well it's ok Jay just believe whatever we believe and leave them to it. None of it has anything to do with faith does it ? See everyone sees it different. Here we have a few people who agree and a few who don't, and then is all of the branches of Christianity out there who have their opinion too. (How many agree with you ? More than half I'm sure)…we all still believe so why can't we all just get along here ? Karmarie would get along with someone who tells you that what is yours is mine just because he says he as faith? the difference in faith is as clear as truth and a lie. can not be going the same way,or is it Pierre

Yeah but Terrarica you can see how Christianity broke off into so many branches. Even the church my son went to split in half over who the preacher was or something. It's stupid.

Jay need's to be nicer to people true ? OK. And you all need to understand Him a bit more. It's ok to disagree, but in a nice way. Don't you think ?

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2010,13:51) Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 11 2010,17:45) Well it's ok Jay just believe whatever we believe and leave them to it. None of it has anything to do with faith does it ? See everyone sees it different. Here we have a few people who agree and a few who don't, and then is all of the branches of Christianity out there who have their opinion too. (How many agree with you ? More than half I'm sure)…we all still believe so why can't we all just get along here ? Karmarie would get along with someone who tells you that what is yours is mine just because he says he as faith? the difference in faith is as clear as truth and a lie. can not be going the same way,or is it Pierre Yeah but Terrarica you can see how Christianity broke off into so many branches. Even the church my son went to split in half over who the preacher was or something. It's stupid. Jay need's to be nicer to people true ? OK. And you all need to understand Him a bit more. It's ok to disagree, but in a nice way. Don't you think ?

Karmarie

i see it this way,God inviting us to a wedding ,the only thing he ask us just get your self in wedding guess clothing ,if you can not do that for God ,do you think you will do it for men

JA as a problem with God not with us.

Pierre

[JustAskin]

Karmarie,

Why can't we get along?
What unity is there between light and darkness?

[mikeboll64]

Exactly JA. Now be a good boy and come on over to the light.

[JustAskin]

Ha ha..
Mike and Terra…so now you 'lost' your way on 'do Spirits have bodies' it's all down to my attitude…

Well, i said i'd welcome you into the fold…so here we are.

Welcome.

Mike, can you ask heaven to lock this post as it's over, please…

[Ed J]

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,13:02) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 11 2010,04:26) If Jesus went to Heaven, and we know He did, then He is not flesh and blood.  Scriptures tell us so….. Jesus appeared to Maria Magdalene, and She thought He was the Gardner.  To show certain people like Thomas, Jesus appeared as a human being, however that is not how He went to Heaven…..Scripture is clear on that. Hi Irene, I agree. mike That is a lie. Why would Jesus show His Hands and feet and explain that spirits DONT HAVE BODIES ? I don't agree with everything on this site but read this please. http://www.letusreason.org/JW12.htm To say Jesus was not risen in the flesh…..saying He is just as a ghost and is only spirit you are denying what He said don't you think ? Please read what is on that site.

Hi Karmarie,

I don't read imported opinions, because
it takes a person to reason with! (Isaiah 1:18)
Jesus came back with his Father (HolySpirit) in Spirit
form to indwell with us starting on “Pentecost”! (Click Here)
(John 14:23 / Heb.9:27 / Matt.26:64 / Mark 13:26 / Matt.24:30)

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Do you think this thread is JUST about you?    

Let go of the ego, brother.  You do have a bad attitude.  But Terra and I haven't “lost our way” about anything in this thread.  But I didn't figure you'd answer the posts I made for you today.  

JA, what do you make of Paul saying TWICE that he learned the good news from Jesus……….NOT FROM ANY MAN?

mike

[terraricca]

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this as reach is finals,scriptures is saying that there are spiritual body,and that s how we should close this topic

Pierre

[JustAskin]

“On and on, an Ariston”

Terra accused me of being egotistical…just after i posted that it was Paul's word you all three had adulterated.

This tell me why there is this problem….poor Terra has a comprehension problem…

I say, 'you adulterate Paul's word' and Terra says, 'you think it's all about you'….eh, ? How do you get 10 from adding 2 to 3?

Mike, you asked me a question? When?

This last question…what does it have to do with 'Do Spirits have bodies'?

Have you not had enough of misrepresenting truth in this thread?

[mikeboll64]

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Terra accused me of being egotistical…just after i posted that it was Paul's word you all three had adulterated.

It was me who said to lose the ego JA.  But Pierre is the one with the comprehension problem?    And listen to yourself.  “After I had just posted………….blah blah blah”.  As if we should all bow down and worship because the great JA “posted something”.

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Mike, you asked me a question? When?

Read back a couple of pages.  Look for posts from me to you that has today's date on it.

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This last question…what does it have to do with 'Do Spirits have bodies'?

You're saying Jesus is some kind of “Spirit/Man”.  I'm saying that Paul said he didn't learn the gospel from any MAN, but from Jesus Christ.

This is all explained in my 3rd or 4th post to you today.  Don't you read my posts to you?

mike

[karmarie]

Yes but Mike, with following man………there was Jesus and there were the Disciples and there were others after them………Bishops and so on. So people still need to learn off others sometimes I think.

And all of you ……….someone said light and darkness ? Do you not all believe ? I think you just have to agree to disagree on some things. You can't prove who is right here. Did you read the quote of Saint Irenaeus yet ? Page 58. He is saying there are thing's we just don't know.

Have to go. Bye.

[terraricca]

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Yes but Mike, with following man………there was Jesus and there were the Disciples and there were others after them………Bishops and so on. So people still need to learn off others sometimes I think. And all of you ……….someone said light and darkness ? Do you not all believe ? I think you just have to agree to disagree on some things. You can't prove who is right here. Did you read the quote of Saint Irenaeus yet ? Page 58. He is saying there are thing's we just don't know. Have to go. Bye.

Karmarie

[mikeboll64]

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all this as reach is finals,scriptures is saying that there are spiritual body,and that s how we should close this topic Pierre

Hi Pierre,

I agree. Scripture says there are spiritual bodies. And you're not really connecting the dots if you think “spiritual bodies” don't contain “spiritual beings”.

mike

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2010,11:35) all this as reach is finals,scriptures is saying that there are spiritual body,and that s how we should close this topic Pierre Hi Pierre, I agree.  Scripture says there are spiritual bodies.  And you're not really connecting the dots if you think “spiritual bodies” don't contain “spiritual beings”. mike

Mike

by now you should know that i am defending that spirits have bodies

Pierre

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