Do spirits have bodies?

[Baker]

To all!        Scriptures says that……

1Cr 15:50 ¶ Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.  

If Jesus went to Heaven, and we know He did, then He is not flesh and blood.  Scriptures tell us so…..
Jesus appeared to Maria Magdalene, and She thought He was the Gardner.  To show certain people like Thomas, Jesus appeared as a human being, however that is not how He went to Heaven…..Scripture is clear on that.

also He will come back as

Rev 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Rev 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Peace and love Irene

[JustAskin]

Kerwin,
You are the one living in the phantam world.

My words to you are 'get out'.

Do not 'study' the dark arts, nor meddle in wanting to know Satan and his demon angles better.

Stop wanting to learn about then.

Please…everyone here…love me or hate me…but hate the Spirits of Satan more….do not indulge Kerwin in pursuit of knowledge of Phantasms and 'Ghosts'.

Kerwin, you lack wisdom and much understanding… Ghosts…there are no such things as Ghosts….they are Spirits…

'Ghost' is an invented pagan word. Loyal Christians do not indulge in Paganism…

Don't accuse me of disbelieving 'Spirit'…it is 'Ghost' i said….there is no such thing as a 'Ghost'.

This is what people cannot understand about 'refinement'. Once, in your childhood, your peers, mean spirited siblingsand ignorant elders, told you about 'Ghosts' to scare you, 'wooooh…woooh!' in a white bedsheet….or showed you shapes in the mist on a late autumn night down by the cemetry or river, 'woooh, woooh'….

Kerwin, grow up….

[JustAskin]

Irene,
You are blessed with a spirit of stupor.

You pick on something and cannot see for your life.

It is credible that you desire to believe in God….but you ere in wisdom and fail to bite the cherry, seeking rather the sugary coating of the cake.

You agree with Kerwin without even realising what you are agreeing.

Nowhere do i say i deny Spirits…yoj just spouting that because Kerwin said it….just like you spouting 'Celestial is heaven' beause Mikeboll said it…you don't know WHY you saying it, you just say it…and that's why you can't do anything other than post the verses to me without any attempt at explaining whatever it is you THINK you are believing.

How can i be disbelieving 'Spirits and demons and Angels' when i have been writing 'War and Peace',.. volumes…on them, about them…

Irene, i forgot you are old…i'm sorry i forgot…

Irene,
I looked up 'Celestial' in Miriam -Websters dictionary.

Guess what it says………?

'Celestial bodies are Sun, Moon and Stars'

Irene, why did you lie to me?
What did you get from lying to yourself?
What gratification did you get from trying to lie to God's Spirit by claiming what you did?

Irene, are you so taken by Mikeboll that you risk your life for a silly dispute that was of Mike's own sad making for Paul is clear that he is comparing physical bodies, Terrestial (earth) and Celestial ('sky', 'HeavenS'..note the plural)

Terrestial is Man, birds, fish, Animals.
Celestial is Sun, Moon, Stars.

Irene, i forgive you… You were misled by Mikeboll and Terrarica.

I see now why you could never explain the verses you were quoting.

[Baker]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 11 2010,06:37)

Irene, You are blessed with a spirit of stupor. You pick on something and cannot see for your life. It is credible that you desire to believe in God….but you ere in wisdom and fail to bite the cherry, seeking rather the sugary coating of the cake. You agree with Kerwin without even realising what you are agreeing. Nowhere do i say i deny Spirits…yoj just spouting that because Kerwin said it….just like you spouting 'Celestial is heaven' beause Mikeboll said it…you don't know WHY you saying it, you just say it…and that's why you can't do anything other than post the verses to me without any attempt at explaining whatever it is you THINK you are believing. How can i be disbelieving 'Spirits and demons and Angels' when i have been writing 'War and Peace',.. volumes…on them, about them… Irene, i forgot you are old…i'm sorry i forgot… Irene, I looked up 'Celestial' in Miriam -Websters dictionary. Guess what it says………? 'Celestial bodies are Sun, Moon and Stars' Irene, why did you lie to me? What did you get from lying to yourself? What gratification did you get from trying to lie to God's Spirit by claiming what you did? Irene, are you so taken by Mikeboll that you risk your life for a silly dispute that was of Mike's own sad making for Paul is clear that he is comparing physical bodies, Terrestial (earth) and Celestial ('sky', 'HeavenS'..note the plural) Terrestial is Man, birds, fish, Animals. Celestial is Sun, Moon, Stars. Irene, i forgive you… You were misled by Mikeboll and Terrarica. I see now why you could never explain the verses you were quoting.

JA For the last time, I do not follow any men, but Scriptures.
Secondly Celestial in my Webster Dictionary says this
1 of the heaven,
2 of heaven, heavenly, divine
3any being regarding living in heaven.
this I did not get from Mike….I disregard your accusation of everything else………look in the mirror, do you see yourself!!!!!!!!.Amen
Irene

[JustAskin]

To All,

After all that has been said in this thread concerning 'Do Spirits have bodies' it would appear that some poster, three in particular, have been deliberately…or deliberately mistakenly,…or genuinely mistakenly… making a claim that the Apostle Paul, writing in 1 Corinthian 15, is stating that 'Celestial bodies' means 'Spirits', 'Angels'.
They quote, two of them at least, quote from a dictionary in making their claim of this.

Having not looked online at their claim, just remained flummoxed as to it, I was at odds to try and make these three see sense concerning the true meaning of Paul's words.

Paul shows two types of 'bodies', ones on the earth and ones of the galactic 'sky'

Paul then expands his meaning by giving examples of each type of 'body'

Paul says, Terrestial (Earth) Bodies, Flesh, are: Man, Bird, Fish, Animals.

He then lists Celestial (Galactic Space, 'the heavens' in Biblical language …note the plural) which he says are: Sun, Moon and Stars

However, in a drastic attempt to gain unwarranted credibility, the three then embark on a fruitless campaign of posting 'nonesense' and repetitive Scriptures hoping to overwhelm myself into seeing their misgiuded view…which makes no sense in context…

I was understandably put out by all this irreverent attacks on a body of natural spirited scriptural rendering that speaks not one word concerning 'Spirit' except to say, at the last, that man will be raised up in a 'Spiritual body' meaning that 'those that attain to that state, and not all will, will be able to go into God's Heaven in Spirit…and exist on earth in an incurrptible body…a SpititMan, as Jesus is today, the first of many.

Now, if Jesus is the first of these SpiritMen, then how can existing Spirits also have had bodies?

The argument was lost exactly by the very one of the three who inadvertently brought this very chapter to the fore as his 'invalid' reasoning point, and got everything wrong, each..point by point…he got wrong.

Today, I had an idle thought, and decided to look up 'Celestial Bodies' on the Internet, the very same medium available to the three, here, to prove or disprove their claim.

I was astonished to find that virtually every Google search result listed 'Celestial Bodies' just as Paul had said in 1 Corinthian 15.

They state that 'Celestial' is 'of the Sky', 'the HeavenS', visible galactic space. And 'Celestial Bodies' are glowing bodies, Sun, Moon, Stars…just as Paul outlined.

I would now like to know how the 'three' respond to this 'Revelation' considering their irreverent attack on Paul's words.

[kerwin]

Just Askin,

You choose not to believe what scripture states and thus you are judged by the word of God. God attests that the Witch of Endor summons the spirit of Samuel. If you believe God then you believe that he is not lying when he states that. In addition Deuteronomy 18:11 also speaks of spiritualist and those who consult with the dead. These scriptures clearly judge you as an unbeliever.

If you understand these scriptures differently than they clearly seem to be saying then perhaps that is a topic for another thread. Your outright rejection is what makes you appear an unbeliever.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 10 2010,14:30)

MIke…………….Post where it say Angels (ARE) “SPIRITS” then Same applies to you as JA.

Really Gene?  I've already posted it about 8 times already.  But just for you:

Hebrews 1:14 NIV
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Can you read it now Gene?  

mike

[karmarie]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 11 2010,11:08)

To All, After all that has been said in this thread concerning 'Do Spirits have bodies' it would appear that some poster, three in particular, have been deliberately…or deliberately mistakenly,…or genuinely mistakenly… making a claim that the Apostle Paul, writing in 1 Corinthian 15, is stating that 'Celestial bodies' means 'Spirits', 'Angels'. They quote, two of them at least, quote from a dictionary in making their claim of this. Having not looked online at their claim, just remained flummoxed as to it, I was at odds to try and make these three see sense concerning the true meaning of Paul's words. Paul shows two types of 'bodies', ones on the earth and ones of the galactic 'sky' Paul then expands his meaning by giving examples of each type of 'body' Paul says, Terrestial (Earth) Bodies, Flesh, are: Man, Bird, Fish, Animals. He then lists Celestial (Galactic Space, 'the heavens' in Biblical language …note the plural) which he says are: Sun, Moon and Stars However, in a drastic attempt to gain unwarranted credibility, the three then embark on a fruitless campaign of posting 'nonesense' and repetitive Scriptures hoping to overwhelm myself into seeing their misgiuded view…which makes no sense in context… I was understandably put out by all this irreverent attacks on a body of natural spirited scriptural rendering that speaks not one word concerning 'Spirit' except to say, at the last, that man will be raised up in a 'Spiritual body' meaning that 'those that attain to that state, and not all will, will be able to go into God's Heaven in Spirit…and exist on earth in an incurrptible body…a SpititMan, as Jesus is today, the first of many. Now, if Jesus is the first of these SpiritMen, then how can existing Spirits also have had bodies? The argument was lost exactly by the very one of the three who inadvertently brought this very chapter to the fore as his 'invalid' reasoning point, and got everything wrong, each..point by point…he got wrong. Today, I had an idle thought, and decided to look up 'Celestial Bodies' on the Internet, the very same medium available to the three, here, to prove or disprove their claim. I was astonished to find that virtually every Google search result listed 'Celestial Bodies' just as Paul had said in 1 Corinthian 15. They state that 'Celestial' is 'of the Sky', 'the HeavenS', visible galactic space. And 'Celestial Bodies' are glowing bodies, Sun, Moon, Stars…just as Paul outlined. I would now like to know how the 'three' respond to this 'Revelation' considering their irreverent attack on Paul's words.

I tried to say this, after I looked it up – a week or something ago. I was told I was wrong and that it meant something else. I didn't see the point in continuing it. Why fuss over a word or two ?

[Ed J]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 11 2010,06:37)

Irene, You are blessed with a spirit of stupor. You pick on something and cannot see for your life. It is credible that you desire to believe in God….but you ere in wisdom and fail to bite the cherry, seeking rather the sugary coating of the cake. You agree with Kerwin without even realising what you are agreeing. Nowhere do i say i deny Spirits…yoj just spouting that because Kerwin said it….just like you spouting 'Celestial is heaven' beause Mikeboll said it…you don't know WHY you saying it, you just say it…and that's why you can't do anything other than post the verses to me without any attempt at explaining whatever it is you THINK you are believing. How can i be disbelieving 'Spirits and demons and Angels' when i have been writing 'War and Peace',.. volumes…on them, about them… Irene, i forgot you are old…i'm sorry i forgot… Irene, I looked up 'Celestial' in Miriam -Websters dictionary. Guess what it says………? 'Celestial bodies are Sun, Moon and Stars' Irene, why did you lie to me? What did you get from lying to yourself? What gratification did you get from trying to lie to God's Spirit by claiming what you did? Irene, are you so taken by Mikeboll that you risk your life for a silly dispute that was of Mike's own sad making for Paul is clear that he is comparing physical bodies, Terrestial (earth) and Celestial ('sky', 'HeavenS'..note the plural) Terrestial is Man, birds, fish, Animals. Celestial is Sun, Moon, Stars. Irene, i forgive you… You were misled by Mikeboll and Terrarica. I see now why you could never explain the verses you were quoting.

Hi JustAskin,

The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.
You are right: THE ‘LIES’ taught by the systems of religion are
very hard to give up for those that are indoctrinated! (Col.2:22)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,20:45)

Mikeboll, Do you know what i wrote and then delete…. I wrote this, and it's a quote from the spirit… “Mikeboll, you are an idiot of the highest order. You certainly deserve your title of 'Master(de)bater'.

See Shimmer/Karmarie?  I told you the “spirit” that has been “teaching” JA is not of God!

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,20:45)

I will not trouble you any more n this topic as it is clear and apparent that your style of mastering only leads to antagonism…

Yes JA.  I do like to take it point by point so we're all clear about everything.  And I know that you prefer the trinitarian style of posting so much info in one post that it seems convincing to the untrained eye.  People like you and WJ have to post tons of stuff in order to “pull a fast one” on others.  But if your stuff was really the truth, you would be okay taking it one point at a time, right?

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,20:45)

As far as i am concerned, this thread is finished.

Of course it is.  You finally made the mistake of answering one of my simple questions, and realized that there are many more to follow.  Those “never ending” debates of mine that you like to spout off about don't end for a reason JA.  My opponent can never seem to refute my one point, so they try like a madman to “smoothe” their way around it time and again.  But I'm like a pit bull playing chess.  That one question that you don't answer is the tip of the iceberg.  I already know the next 5 points I'm going to bring up when I post that first one.  But I'm not about to just keep going with the other points when my opponent hasn't sufficiently answered the very first point.  

I suppose I could be like you and WJ and post the whole thing at once, but why?  I don't need to flood the post to make my points stick.  My points stand up to “one at a time” scrutiny.

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,20:45)

In the same way how it frustrates you dealing with Gene, and I uphold you on that, it is the same for me dealing with you…and God upholds me on that…

But you are doing the same thing Gene does here.  Someone posts a scripture, and you pretend it just doesn't say what it says.  Now if you were to post a scripture along with a BRIEF summary on what you think it means, maybe you could teach me something I'm missing.  But if you can't back up your teaching with scriptures, why in the world would I learn from you?  

I see you're back to posting how the angels “created human bodies for themselves and then mated with humans”.  And you post it so “matter of factly”.  Why?  Are you the leading expert in the world on heavenly matters?    You know what – if you want any sensible person to take you seriously, you must post also the SCRIPTURES that back up your beliefs.  What SCRIPTURE is it that says angels created bodies?  

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,20:45)

And Mike….don't grieve the Spirit..how do you ask, 'Where does it say Jesus is still man'….i won't even answer that…. I guess now you going to say that i'm saying that Jesus isn't Spirit…please, don't go there….you full well know what i think and believe..

No JA, I really DON'T know what you believe.  I looked for the “Jesus is STILL a man” scriptures last night.  There are a couple of them.  But there are also scriptures like this:

Galatians 1 NIV
1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ

12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

Do you see how I'm forming my understanding JA?  Now we know “man” could mean “human being”, but it could also just refer to “a person”.  In the above scriptures, it most likely refers to a “human being”, based on the context.  Because man or not, Jesus IS STILL a “person”, right?  And since Paul contrasts “man” with “Jesus”, he's not meaning “person” in this case.

Now take your champion scripture:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

Paul could just mean “person” in this case, for it's abundantly clear that Jesus is no longer a “human being”, right?  Human beings have flesh and blood, and those things cannot enter into where Jesus now resides, right?

You also have this scripture in your favor:

Hebrews 2:5 NIV
It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking.

So while Jesus says those called to a heavenly life after the resurrection will be “like the angels”, the above scripture seems to suggest that “like” doesn't mean “EXACTLY LIKE”, right?

So that bring us a little closer to where we differ.  I can see your points on the matter, but I also want you to see mine.  And you can't see mine if you're too busy posting miles and miles of fluff and never giving me anything but insults.

Now, like the chess playing pit bull that I am, I have more points to keep moving forward with.  And little by little, we could have gotten to the heart of the matter if you would just play nice.  Every post you make does not have to include a belittling comment JA.  You CAN just answer a point and make one of your own, and we could keep moving forward.

It's up to you, dude.  Stay the course or bail.  I already know what the spirit and scripture both tell me.  I've been trying to share it with you.  You don't have to agree, but you could at least hear me out.  And unlike you, everything I claim will be BACKED BY SCRIPTURE.

You do what you want.  But which ever way you decide to go, know this:  I will keep reporting your abusive posts.  And I will only discuss this, or any other matter with you, ONE POINT AT A TIME.  If you can't answer question #1, you won't get question #2.  It's as simple as that.

I broke my rule above and went faster than I like to.  But that's only because I don't want you to bail before seeing this thing through.

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 10 2010,20:45)

it is the Spirit of Satan that ndwells you that drives you to accuse me

Yet it's YOU who is the “accuser of the brethren” JA…………not I.  And I sincerely think that the “spirit” that guides you IS the “Spirit of Satan”.  If it wasn't, then you'd post in a Christian-like manner, and you would not post things that contradict scripture.

peace and love,
mike

[terraricca]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 11 2010,15:08)

To All, After all that has been said in this thread concerning 'Do Spirits have bodies' it would appear that some poster, three in particular, have been deliberately…or deliberately mistakenly,…or genuinely mistakenly… making a claim that the Apostle Paul, writing in 1 Corinthian 15, is stating that 'Celestial bodies' means 'Spirits', 'Angels'. They quote, two of them at least, quote from a dictionary in making their claim of this. Having not looked online at their claim, just remained flummoxed as to it, I was at odds to try and make these three see sense concerning the true meaning of Paul's words. Paul shows two types of 'bodies', ones on the earth and ones of the galactic 'sky' Paul then expands his meaning by giving examples of each type of 'body' Paul says, Terrestial (Earth) Bodies, Flesh, are: Man, Bird, Fish, Animals. He then lists Celestial (Galactic Space, 'the heavens' in Biblical language …note the plural) which he says are: Sun, Moon and Stars However, in a drastic attempt to gain unwarranted credibility, the three then embark on a fruitless campaign of posting 'nonesense' and repetitive Scriptures hoping to overwhelm myself into seeing their misgiuded view…which makes no sense in context… I was understandably put out by all this irreverent attacks on a body of natural spirited scriptural rendering that speaks not one word concerning 'Spirit' except to say, at the last, that man will be raised up in a 'Spiritual body' meaning that 'those that attain to that state, and not all will, will be able to go into God's Heaven in Spirit…and exist on earth in an incurrptible body…a SpititMan, as Jesus is today, the first of many. Now, if Jesus is the first of these SpiritMen, then how can existing Spirits also have had bodies? The argument was lost exactly by the very one of the three who inadvertently brought this very chapter to the fore as his 'invalid' reasoning point, and got everything wrong, each..point by point…he got wrong. Today, I had an idle thought, and decided to look up 'Celestial Bodies' on the Internet, the very same medium available to the three, here, to prove or disprove their claim. I was astonished to find that virtually every Google search result listed 'Celestial Bodies' just as Paul had said in 1 Corinthian 15. They state that 'Celestial' is 'of the Sky', 'the HeavenS', visible galactic space. And 'Celestial Bodies' are glowing bodies, Sun, Moon, Stars…just as Paul outlined. I would now like to know how the 'three' respond to this 'Revelation' considering their irreverent attack on Paul's words.

JA

you alway thinking that is is all about you,

NO<NO<NO<

it is about Gods truth

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 11 2010,04:26)

If Jesus went to Heaven, and we know He did, then He is not flesh and blood. Scriptures tell us so….. Jesus appeared to Maria Magdalene, and She thought He was the Gardner. To show certain people like Thomas, Jesus appeared as a human being, however that is not how He went to Heaven…..Scripture is clear on that.

Hi Irene,

I agree.

mike

[karmarie]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,13:02)

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 11 2010,04:26) If Jesus went to Heaven, and we know He did, then He is not flesh and blood.  Scriptures tell us so….. Jesus appeared to Maria Magdalene, and She thought He was the Gardner.  To show certain people like Thomas, Jesus appeared as a human being, however that is not how He went to Heaven…..Scripture is clear on that. Hi Irene, I agree. mike

That is a lie.

Why would Jesus show His Hands and feet and explain that spirits DONT HAVE BODIES ?

I don't agree with everything on this site but read this please.

http://www.letusreason.org/JW12.htm

To say Jesus was not risen in the flesh…..saying He is just as a ghost and is only spirit you are denying what He said don't you think ?

Please read what is on that site.

[terraricca]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 11 2010,17:12)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,13:02) Quote (Baker @ Dec. 11 2010,04:26) If Jesus went to Heaven, and we know He did, then He is not flesh and blood.  Scriptures tell us so….. Jesus appeared to Maria Magdalene, and She thought He was the Gardner.  To show certain people like Thomas, Jesus appeared as a human being, however that is not how He went to Heaven…..Scripture is clear on that. Hi Irene, I agree. mike That is a lie. Why would Jesus show His Hands and feet and explain that spirits DONT HAVE BODIES ? I don't agree with everything on this site but read this please. http://www.letusreason.org/JW12.htm To say Jesus was not risen in the flesh…..saying He is just as a ghost and is only spirit you are denying what He said don't you think ? Please read what is on that site.

Karmarie

no,Irene and Mike are not liars,

you are not understanding,scriptures;

first Christ body was a sacrifice for our sins ;no one can take back what is sacrificed to God.

secondly;like Irene said Marie Mag,did not recognize Jesus and so latter the apostles this shows clearly that Christ did not have the body he ad and died in.

Christ resurrection was in the spirit being and so took an body just like the angels did wen they appear to men.

third;wen he was elevated he disappeared because he was changed in is spirit being and so wen to his father.

Pierre

[karmarie]

Terrarica did you read the site I gave ? What you are all saying is what JWs say. Please just read it.

[JustAskin]

Karmarie,

Sorry to say, but this is their punishment for 'greiving' the Spirit.

Mike, Terra and Irene are trying to goad me into being aggressive so Mike can give me a block.

They have reported every post as 'abuse' in the hope of getting me a block. This is their plan.

They realise they goofed big time but instead of being gracious in their cumulative defeat they aim to get rid of their opposition.

Sadly, their triste with the devil has resulted in what you see here.

What are they trying to '(dis)prove' now?

And see, when confronted by the truth, how do they react.

Terra, i have no idea what he is saying.

Irene, i offer forgiveness but she still refuses the offer.

Mike, …is just lost.

I see, they are saying that Jesus has a body…and a Spirit.

Well, whoever said he didn't?

And who are they arguing with anyway? It seems the posts are to no one…. They are just posting so it appears they aren't running away…and pushing the pages over till they are lost.

Then they will carry on as though nothing had happened.

[karmarie]

Well it's ok Jay just believe whatever we believe and leave them to it. None of it has anything to do with faith does it ? See everyone sees it different. Here we have a few people who agree and a few who don't, and then is all of the branches of Christianity out there who have their opinion too. (How many agree with you ? More than half I'm sure)…we all still believe so why can't we all just get along here ?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 11 2010,08:08)

They state that 'Celestial' is 'of the Sky', 'the HeavenS', visible galactic space. And 'Celestial Bodies' are glowing bodies, Sun, Moon, Stars…just as Paul outlined. I would now like to know how the 'three' respond to this 'Revelation' considering their irreverent attack on Paul's words.

I will respond the same way I already did.  From Dictionary.com:

ce·les·tial   /səˈlɛstʃəl/  Show Spelled
[suh-les-chuhl]  Show IPA

–adjective
1. pertaining to the sky or visible heaven.
2. pertaining to the spiritual or invisible heaven; heavenly; divine: celestial bliss.

Do you think Webster and Dictionary.com just “made this up” so Irene and I could make a point to you?

When you understand what “adapted” means, we can go back and address the Barnes Notes that Shimmer posted again……..if you want to.

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 11 2010,08:08)

Now, if Jesus is the first of these SpiritMen, then how can existing Spirits also have had bodies?

The Greek word translated as “man” is “anthropos”.  It means “human being”.  Human beings have flesh and blood right?  Those things can't inherit the Kingdom of God, right?  So you are taking this “Jesus is still a HUMAN BEING” thing a little too far JA.  This same Greek word is translated as “person” about 50 times in the Bible.  Jesus is now a SPIRIT.  Scripture says so.  Paul says he didn't learn the gospel from any MAN, but from Jesus Christ.

So your “Spirit/Man” concoction fails on two counts.
1.  If the “man” means “human being”, then Jesus cannot now be in heaven with God.
2.  Even if there WAS such a thing as a “Spirit/Man”, why in the world would you think this SPIRITUAL LIFE FORM needs a body and that the other SPIRITUAL LIFE FORMS like angels don't?

Face it JA, scripture says angels are SPIRITS and scripture says Jesus is a SPIRIT.  If one has a body, then it would stand to reason that the others also have bodies.

Scripture also says that as was Adam, so are those of the earth.  And as is Jesus, so ARE THOSE of heaven.  (Again, Paul DOESN'T say “SO WILL BE THOSE OF US WHO ARE RAISED”.)

And finally, you have never even TRIED to address the point of SEPARATION that Pierre and I have been trying to get you to see.  If there are at least two of ANY KIND OF BEING AT ALL, there MUST be something that SEPARATES one from the other.  That “something” is a BODY of some kind.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 11 2010,10:12)

That is a lie. Why would Jesus show His Hands and feet and explain that spirits DONT HAVE BODIES ?

Shimmer, I just answered that point in my last post to you yesterday. Jesus NEVER says that spirits don't have bodies.

mike

[terraricca]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 11 2010,17:45)

Well it's ok Jay just believe whatever we believe and leave them to it. None of it has anything to do with faith does it ? See everyone sees it different. Here we have a few people who agree and a few who don't, and then is all of the branches of Christianity out there who have their opinion too. (How many agree with you ? More than half I'm sure)…we all still believe so why can't we all just get along here ?

Karmarie

would get along with someone who tells you that what is yours is mine just because he says he as faith?

the difference in faith is as clear as truth and a lie.

can not be going the same way,or is it

Pierre

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