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Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 16 2010,19:03) Just Askin, Scripture does not say heaven is an ethereal. (1)What it does say is even one with corrupt flesh (2)may visit either in person or in vision, i.e. spirit.
Please study 2 Corinthians 2 to 4 with me.
In verses 2 to 3 we hear of a man who visits the third heaven. (3)Paul, a man being carried along by the Spirit at the time, writes that he does not know if it was done physically or not. (4)God thus informs us that a human being still in their corrupt flesh can visit heaven either in body or out.
In verse 4 we are informed paradise is in the third heaven. (5)Who believes the Garden of Eden is ethereal. (6)Do they also believe Adam and Eve were ethereal beings before their fall?
Hi Kerwin,Thank you for asking my advice!
First let me point out the obvious.
You must be meaning 2Cor.12:2-4.2Cor.12:2-5 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body,
I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third
heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body,
I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise,
and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
(5)Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.1) There is nothing to indicate the person flesh was corrupted?
2) He may of had an out of body experience; many report have them.3) Many proclaim it was Paul that this happened to, but verse 5 discounts that notion.
4) Where do you get this corrupt flesh stuff from? It was the mind that was corrupted. (Rom:8:6)5) This word 'ethereal' here means to be in a different location. The garden of Eden was said to be on Earth.
6) Do you believe Adam and Eve were originally Created as hyper-dimensional beings?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2010,13:17) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 16 2010,15:43) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2010,15:13) What God has created has to be “outside” of God, or the creation would actually BE the Creator, right? mike
Hi Mike,How do you reconcile your words with Matt.10:29…
Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing?
and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
NIV Matt 10:29
Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.Besides Ed, what are you saying? That the ground IS the Father?
mike
Hi Mike,Life, my friend, life! …Not the dirt!
Could the verse be implying that the Father
is resident in the animals as well as every else?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgMike Boll,
I am not God but according to scripture I have my being within God. All of creation has its physical existence within God. I am at the same time spiritually separated from God by my sins. Jesus erases that separation by enabling me to make peace with God through living by the new covenant.
Ed J.,
Anyone that has not been transformed to imperishable flesh has corrupt flesh. I only know of a few that have been so transformed and they all have free access to all the heavens. Dead souls have access to Sheol/Hades which is said to be located in the third heaven. Paul did not indicate he was speaking to the dead or to the transformed.
He did clearly state it is possible to visit the third heaven while still in a corrupt body by indicting such was a possibility.
I believe the Garden of Eden is a material place that God transferred to heaven between end of the Fall and the beginning of the Flood. It therefore will not be located on earth.
I do believe the spiritual realms are extradimentional and thus invisiable to us.
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 18 2010,00:55) Ed J., Anyone that has not been transformed to imperishable flesh has corrupt flesh. I only know of a few that have been so transformed and they all have free access to all the heavens. Dead souls have access to Sheol/Hades which is said to be located in the third heaven. Paul did not indicate he was speaking to the dead or to the transformed.
He did clearly state it is possible to visit the third heaven while still in a corrupt body by indicting such was a possibility.
I believe the Garden of Eden is a material place that God transferred to heaven between end of the Fall and the beginning of the Flood. It therefore will not be located on earth.
I do believe the spiritual realms are extradimentional and thus invisiable to us.
Kerwinyou believe many unscriptural things,if not show scriptures for those believes i certainly never have seen them in my bible
Pierre
Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 17 2010,17:55) Ed J., (1)Anyone that has not been transformed to imperishable flesh has corrupt flesh. (2)I only know of a few that have been so transformed (3)and they all have free access to all the heavens. (4)Dead souls have access to Sheol/Hades which is said to be located in the third heaven. (5)Paul did not indicate he was speaking to the dead or to the transformed.
(6)He did clearly state it is possible to visit the third heaven while still in a corrupt body by indicting such was a possibility.
(7)I believe the Garden of Eden is a material place that God transferred to heaven between end of the Fall and the beginning of the Flood. (8)It therefore will not be located on earth.
(9)I do believe the spiritual realms are extradimentional and thus invisiable to us.
Hi Kerwin,1) Speak for yourself, don't include me in on that!
2) How long have you known them for?
3) How do you know this?
4) Are you referring to the deceased?
5) I certainly didn't think he was.6) I reject your corrupt body!
7) This is an interesting concept, can you
explain how you derived at this conclusion?
8) What does this mean?9) Great! So do I!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 17 2010,13:19) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 17 2010,02:55) Mike…………Yes even that Spider you killed had spirit in it or it could not live, all life has spirit (a working intellect) in it. And it all comes from ONE GOD that is in ALL things.
No Gene, the spider is not God. All things live because of the spirit God GAVE them. But that is not to say that all things are God.mike
Mike ……….where did i say all thing are GOD, i said all thing have GOD (IN) them because GOD (IS) SPIRIT and LIFE. Why can't you quote a person rightly? Try being truthful for a change OK>peace and love………………………gene
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2010,14:25) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 17 2010,02:55) Mike…………Yes even that Spider you killed had spirit in it or it could not live, all life has spirit (a working intellect) in it. And it all comes from ONE GOD that is in ALL things. There is not such thing as a SPIRIT BODY, there is SPIRIT (IN) BODIES, even Angels have bodies , the only thing that can live outside and inside a body is GOD because GOD (IS) Spirit that composes ALL life. Spirit is the working intelligence or power that drives all life from a one celled amoeba to a giant whale and life is produced and maintained by spirit, spirit is life. “The word i am telling you (ARE) Spirit and (ARE) Life”. The combining of Spirit in a Body (Matter) is a SOUL, A living beings rather man or animal no difference , just the amount and Kind of Spirit in it. IMO
peace and love……………………………………gene
Hi Gene,If your spirit and mind are the same thing, than
how can you kill the 'ego' without the body dying?Please explain?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ. ………You kill (YOUR) EGO by having it replaced with Another. “Let this (MIND) be in you that was in Christ Jesus our LORD”. Was that not the mind of GOD? And again, “IF THIS MIND BE IN YOU IT WILL (ALSO) QUICKEN YOU MORTAL BODIES” > Just like it did Jesus. we are being transformed by the renewing of our minds EDJ.peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
To All………A Spirit does not have a Body it is what is (IN) a Body, Angels Have bodies and GOD put their Spirit (IN) them and sends them out to minister. The concept of Angels not have bodies is false , nothing can exist without a body of some kind, except GOD who lives in and outside His creation and gives it life. If GOD were to retract His Spirit all flesh would die.
A SOUL is a BODY With SPIRIT IN IT> “When a man dies his thoughts parish” (he no longer exists) and will never exist again unless GOD the Father creates a body and add Spirit back into it , and then He will become a loving Soul once again. It is absolutely crucial that we attain unto a resurrection after we die. Just as Jesus had to have a resurected body for him to continue to exist, had GOD not raised Him He still would be dead having no awareness of anything whatsoever. The same is true with US.
peace and love to you all…………………………….gene
To all those who think that a Spirit has a body.
Time for definition…What are you saying that 'a body' is?
Please just post your definition, not 'proof'…what do you say 'Spiritual body' is?
Note, 'Spiritual' as opposed to 'Flesh'.
This, so we all understand each other and are batting off the same wicket?
I don't think that I have posted on this thread yet, but the thought came to me last night and I had remembered reading somebody's writings on this that seemed really smart to me, probably one of the church father's but the answer to the question is obvious.
Here is your answer..YES, spirits dwell in bodies.
Everyone here has a spirit and everyone here has a body, so yes, spirits dwell in bodies…there are earthly bodies and heavenly bodies and they contain spirit.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 18 2010,00:03) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 17 2010,14:25) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 17 2010,02:55) Mike…………Yes even that Spider you killed had spirit in it or it could not live, all life has spirit (a working intellect) in it. And it all comes from ONE GOD that is in ALL things. There is not such thing as a SPIRIT BODY, there is SPIRIT (IN) BODIES, even Angels have bodies , the only thing that can live outside and inside a body is GOD because GOD (IS) Spirit that composes ALL life. Spirit is the working intelligence or power that drives all life from a one celled amoeba to a giant whale and life is produced and maintained by spirit, spirit is life. “The word i am telling you (ARE) Spirit and (ARE) Life”. The combining of Spirit in a Body (Matter) is a SOUL, A living beings rather man or animal no difference , just the amount and Kind of Spirit in it. IMO
peace and love……………………………………gene
Hi Gene,If your spirit and mind are the same thing, than
how can you kill the 'ego' without the body dying?Please explain?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ. ………You kill (YOUR) EGO by having it replaced with Another. “Let this (MIND) be in you that was in Christ Jesus our LORD”. Was that not the mind of GOD? And again, “IF THIS MIND BE IN YOU IT WILL (ALSO) QUICKEN YOU MORTAL BODIES” > Just like it did Jesus. we are being transformed by the renewing of our minds EDJ.peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
HI Gene,Phil.2:4-6 does not say that your mind goes away.
When you kill your 'ego': Your mind does NOT
go away any more than your “Free Will”!YHVH(63) = Color(63) …I add color as a pointer!
Let's briefly take a closer look at some important verses…Philippians 2:4-6 Look not every man on his own things,
but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you,
which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God,
[thought it not robbery to be equal with God.] (John 5:18)Jesus was “Freely” able to think, not only his own thoughts but,
he was also able to think the thoughts of God(HolySpirit)! (Eph.4:6)Being baptized by John and filled with the “HolySpirit”! (John 14:10)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 18 2010,00:03) EDJ. ………You kill (YOUR) EGO by having it replaced with Another. “Let this (MIND) be in you that was in Christ Jesus our LORD”. Was that not the mind of GOD? And again, “IF THIS MIND BE IN YOU IT WILL (ALSO) QUICKEN YOU MORTAL BODIES” > Just like it did Jesus. we are being transformed by the renewing of our minds EDJ. peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
PART 2:Phil.2:4-6 does not say that your mind goes away.
When you kill your 'ego': Your mind does NOT
go away any more than your “Free Will”!YHVH = Color I also added words to point(74) with!
Let's briefly take a closer look at some important verses…Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,
that ye present your bodies (as a Free Will offering called) a living sacrifice,
Holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not
conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,
that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.Romans 10:3-5 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and
going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted
themselves (by use of their “Free Will”) unto the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(5)For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law,
That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (JustAskin @ Nov. 18 2010,05:20) To all those who think that a Spirit has a body. Time for definition…What are you saying that 'a body' is?
Please just post your definition, not 'proof'…what do you say 'Spiritual body' is?
Note, 'Spiritual' as opposed to 'Flesh'.
This, so we all understand each other and are batting off the same wicket?
I believe a spiritual body can appear in the FORM of a human body.I believe Jesus was spirit but he became flesh……not in form only but in reality…..the first to ever do so from out of the spiritual realm……unique in that he did.
From Heaven.
I recall reading somewhere, the difference in spiritual form and earthly form is the blood.
“Sons of God” in Job….The original translation has it as “Angels of God”
Jesus said that Angels do not engage in sexual activites, in Heaven.
However with the “Nephilim” Angels could have possessed human bodies…similar to demon possesion……….
You will notice JA that my first reply to your question, was a sort of muffled reply, reason is, I was only replying because I felt upset at another poster, my second reply I was feeling better…see the difference ?
And my third post to Ed I was feeling much better again.
Someone asked me a while back what had happened to me…..where had my confidence gone. My answer was the same then as it is now.
Shimmer,
The 'kill', is figurative…'in a manner of speaking'…Can you 'kill time…while waiting to make a cup of tea because you cannot make the kettle boil any quicker'?
Can you 'kill the argument…because it is pointless'?
Can you 'kill your desire for that pair of gorgeous must-have boots you saw in the shop window…because you have no money'?So, figuratively, you can 'kill your Ego' ('Ego' here being interpreted in everyday usage, i.e. 'Conceit', proper word should be 'SuperEgo')
Can you 'kill the feeling'. Of course, 'feeling' is sloppy usage …incomplete sentence as there is no Subject…the subject is assumed from the connected 'previous sentence' (E.g. Kill the feeling of lust, loneliness, hunger, superiority, paucity, …etc.)
So, 'Context, Context, Context'
JA, I knew that, I was asking Ed HOW do we remove ego, Ed said he killed…removed..yeah I know ? his ego long ago
Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 18 2010,15:55) Shimmer,
The 'kill', is figurative…'in a manner of speaking'…Can you 'kill time…while waiting to make a cup of tea because you cannot make the kettle boil any quicker'?
Can you 'kill the argument…because it is pointless'?
Can you 'kill your desire for that pair of gorgeous must-have boots you saw in the shop window…because you have no money'?So, figuratively, you can 'kill your Ego' ('Ego' here being interpreted in everyday usage, i.e. 'Conceit', proper word should be 'SuperEgo')
Can you 'kill the feeling'. Of course, 'feeling' is sloppy usage …incomplete sentence as there is no Subject…the subject is assumed from the connected 'previous sentence' (E.g. Kill the feeling of lust, loneliness, hunger, superiority, paucity, …etc.)
So, 'Context, Context, Context'
shimmerkilling your ego means in reality ;to stop living for yourself,because ego keep yourself centered on you rather than the others,
Godly love is looking to others before you looking at yourself,
it is our behavior that has to change.
this is Gods and Christ way,the devil way is with EGO;
pierre
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