Do spirits have bodies?

[terraricca]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 07 2010,15:30)

Are you still on this subject ? haha. I was reading a conversation about this on another forum. JustAskin and also Gene would have alot of support there. And they are just normal christians, including a few Catholics. God is spirit. Angels are spirit, God is to be loved and worshipped Angels are not to be. That much is clear. God is INVISIBLE spirit. Thats clear. Angels are spirit too, whether they have body or form of anykind in Heaven is not truely known.  They do have body and form when they appear to man on earth or in dreams……but in Heaven…..it doesnt really say. If we love in spirit then it is spirit and has no form. The only form it has is felt. Feeling has no shape or form which is seeable with the eyes. Otherwise two people who love each other would be together in 'form' but it cant be for many people who are kept apart by distance.  Faith is believing in that which is NOT seen. ('Blessed are those who have not seen yet believe'). Noah and his family were the ONLY rightoeus ones found on earth at the time of the flood. Did Noah believe God and Angels had body or form ? Theres a question. “It was with faith that He was saved”

shimmer

the only thing you are saying is that what you do not see must be spirit ,
scriptures are of no avail ,it is your concept just like gene.

we know that scriptures are saying that God is spirit ,and we also know that angels are spirit ,and wen men have connection with them they take a form similar to us,

the only thing you are really stating is that we human can not see much,some animal can see better than us,

and if Heaven is the area of the spirits (God,Angels)it does not mean they do not have forms or body's,since they can see,hear,and speak or communicate in some way.

this is very similar to us because we are the image,no??

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 06 2010,16:08)

To All, As far as I can remember angels always have a body of one sort or another in scripture. Does anyone know when that is not true?

Hi Kerwin,

The only time I can think of right off the bat is the angel who killed 185,000 Assyrians in one night. I can't remember that angel being described as a “man” or having “wings” or anything.

mike

[JustAskin]

Wow and Wow…the stupor is rife in this forum.

T8, put my block back please, if it means distinquishing myself from these ones here.

Irene, what is 'Celestial'? It does not mean 'Heaven'.
Paul speaks of the visible Heavens, the Sky, Galactic Space. That's why he says, 'Sun Moon and Stars'.

Oh dear, how embarassing this is going to be for you all when you finally realise.

But you know what? I will not gloat. I will cheer with honest delight for that you have seen the light. Like a father, or a tutor showing a weakling student how to solve a problem, over and over and over…and finally, the student 'gets it'…

Does the father/tutor deride the student? No. He throws an impromptu party, Breaks out the Shampagne, kill and cook up the fatted calf for that student.

Mike, how does the Holy Spirit fill the bodies of all the people all at the same and myriad times, if it is encased in a body….does the Holy Spirit have a Spirit body??

How does the Spirit of Jesus fill the people all at the same time, if it is encased in a Spirit body?

How do legions of Angels dwell in the body of one man if they all are embodied Spirits, full on with Wings, Horses, Sheilds, weapons, bows and arrows, etc. Poor man! No wonder he was mad, raging mad…you would be, too, if you had all thousand or so people living inside you…and only one toilet facility.

Terra, can you really only copy and paste. Is there some meaning or purpose to your posts?

Boys! Be men. Put away your milksops and eat meat, which is the hard Scriptural truth.

Paul speaks of MANKIND in Spiritual Bodies….nothing else.

Jesus is the first of the new creation of Spiritual Man, begotten of God, first of many to be also born into a Spiritual body, as Jesus is now. The Eternal Son, eternal Man…ETERNAL ''MAN''… Jesus is Man in the  flesh …flesh is body….but also Jesus is Spirit…Spirit has no body…that's why it's called 'Spirit'…
Jesus is both Flesh AND Spirit, that's why he is said to be a Spiritual Body.

He was sown a fleshly body…'A body you have prepared for me'
He died,…planted as it were…
He germinated, …was raised as it were…grew, blossomed… Into a glorious Spiritual body.

Guys, …the body is sown in flesh…but grown in Spirit.

Are Angels sown in flesh and raised in Spritual bodies?
Which person, any person, anyone, anyTHING, is sown in flesh and raised in a Spritual body?

Who??

Only one….one only….Jesus Christ…. The ONLY BEGOTTEN, the first begotten of MANY to be BEGOTTEN to come.

Boy, is this really going to be embarassing, but rest assured….it is the last one to realise who will be shamed…so, get your 'believers hat' on first….you don't want to be that one who is last…

Oh, by the way, not acknowledging truth is not an option.

Yeah shall it be deemed that nonAcknowledgement is an act of defiance and counted as still in nonbelief.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 07 2010,08:30)

JustAskin and also Gene would have alot of support there.

Hi Shimmer,

Which one would have the support there? You know they believe differently, right?

JA knows that angels ARE spirit, but doesn't think they have bodies.

Gene knows that angels have bodies, but doesn't think they are spirits.

Put the first part of their beliefs together, and you have the truth.

mike

[terraricca]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 07 2010,17:32)

Wow and Wow…the stupor is rife in this forum. T8, put my block back please, if it means distinquishing myself from these ones here. Irene, what is 'Celestial'? It does not mean 'Heaven'. Paul speaks of the visible Heavens, the Sky, Galactic Space. That's why he says, 'Sun Moon and Stars'. Oh dear, how embarassing this is going to be for you all when you finally realise. But you know what? I will not gloat. I will cheer with honest delight for that you have seen the light. Like a father, or a tutor showing a weakling student how to solve a problem, over and over and over…and finally, the student 'gets it'… Does the father/tutor deride the student? No. He throws an impromptu party, Breaks out the Shampagne, kill and cook up the fatted calf for that student. Mike, how does the Holy Spirit fill the bodies of all the people all at the same and myriad times, if it is encased in a body….does the Holy Spirit have a Spirit body?? How does the Spirit of Jesus fill the people all at the same time, if it is encased in a Spirit body? How do legions of Angels dwell in the body of one man if they all are embodied Spirits, full on with Wings, Horses, Sheilds, weapons, bows and arrows, etc. Poor man! No wonder he was mad, raging mad…you would be, too, if you had all thousand or so people living inside you…and only one toilet facility. Terra, can you really only copy and paste. Is there some meaning or purpose to your posts? Boys! Be men. Put away your milksops and eat meat, which is the hard Scriptural truth. Paul speaks of MANKIND in Spiritual Bodies….nothing else. Jesus is the first of the new creation of Spiritual Man, begotten of God, first of many to be also born into a Spiritual body, as Jesus is now. The Eternal Son, eternal Man…ETERNAL ''MAN''… Jesus is Man in the  flesh …flesh is body….but also Jesus is Spirit…Spirit has no body…that's why it's called 'Spirit'… Jesus is both Flesh AND Spirit, that's why he is said to be a Spiritual Body. He was sown a fleshly body…'A body you have prepared for me' He died,…planted as it were… He germinated, …was raised as it were…grew, blossomed… Into a glorious Spiritual body. Guys, …the body is sown in flesh…but grown in Spirit. Are Angels sown in flesh and raised in Spritual bodies? Which person, any person, anyone, anyTHING, is sown in flesh and raised in a Spritual body? Who?? Only one….one only….Jesus Christ…. The ONLY BEGOTTEN, the first begotten of MANY to be BEGOTTEN to come. Boy, is this really going to be embarassing, but rest assured….it is the last one to realise who will be shamed…so, get your 'believers hat' on first….you don't want to be that one who is last… Oh, by the way, not acknowledging truth is not an option. Yeah shall it be deemed that nonAcknowledgement is an act of defiance and counted as still in nonbelief.

JA

are you Gene s brother??
were are the scriptures that support your views???

you become a preacher out side of God s will ,

an year ago you were not like this what happen??

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 07 2010,10:32)

Mike, how does the Holy Spirit fill the bodies of all the people all at the same and myriad times, if it is encased in a body….does the Holy Spirit have a Spirit body??

Hi JA,

This is a simple question for you. Can the Holy Spirit be in one person and not in another person at the same time? YES or NO JA.

mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 07 2010,10:38)

JA are you Gene s brother?? were are the scriptures that support your views??? you become a preacher out side of God s will , an year ago you were not like this what happen?? Pierre

I second that notion Pierre. JA and I used to talk scripturally in pm's all the time. We were friends. Now he seems to be full of hate and prefers his “intelligence” over the words of scripture.

What happened to you JA?

mike

[JustAskin]

Terra,
What you accuse me falsely.

Are you testing me?

Where has your understanding and wisdom gone?

You follow after Mikeboll.

I follow after no one. Who do you see me following….Gene,… excuse me!!!
I don't even read Gene's post in such a way to take ideas from his postings…i have no need to.

How dare you compare me, JustAskin, to Gene. That is an insult,like saying 'God is in our image'. Does your wisdom allow you to understand that which i just wrote.

Terra, you have quoted things to me as if i never knew them, as if you were teaching me something…yet…those things were the very same things i wrote in my post before you. How are you quoting things to me that I TOLD YOU…

And further, what is your aim in quoting blocks of verses….what am i supposed to learn? I can just as easily read them in my own Bible.

Yet, even as you quote them, you don't understand what you quote.

Copy and Paste is easy. It is the wisdom in the words that you quote that is of value…sady, you missed out the wisdom and just quoted the verses.

Terra, which Angel was sown in flesh and raised up in a Spiritual body?

Which Spirit was sown a fleshly body and raised up in a Spiritual body?

Terra, which Spirit does 1 Corinth 15 speak off as being 'Celestial'…

Terrarica, what is 'Celestial'?

Terrarica, what is a Celestial body?

Terrarica, name me one Celestial body?

Please.

[mikeboll64]

Hi JA,

This is from my post to you on page 43:

3.  (15:44)  A person's natural body will be raised a SPIRITUAL BODY.  For it's common sense that if there is a natural body for those of earth, there is also a spiritual body for those of heaven.

This is from the Barnes Notes that Shimmer posted on page 44:

The sense is, “There is a great variety of bodies. Look upon the heavens, and see the splendor of the sun, the moon, and the stars. And then look upon the earth, and see the bodies there – the bodies of people, and brutes, and insects. You see here two entire classes of bodies. You see how they differ. Can it be deemed strange if there should be a difference between our bodies when on earth and when in heaven? Do we not, in fact, see a vast difference between what strikes our eye here on earth and in the sky? And why should we deem it strange that between bodies adapted to live here and bodies adapted to live in heaven, there should be a difference, like that which is seen between the objects which appear on earth and those which appear in the sky?“

He has come up with the same thing as I did.  Paul is saying, “Look at the bodies of things on earth.  Now look at the bodies of things in the heavens.  It stands to reason that things on earth have one kind of body, and things in heaven have a different kind.

But why is he even pointing out the sun, moon and stars in the first place?  Because he was asked what kind of bodies we will have when we are resurrected.  He's using celestial bodies versus terrestrial bodies to show that the heavenly body we will receive will be very different than the earthly body we already have.  

Are you getting this JA?  Paul is contrasting the bodies of things in heaven that people can clearly see from the bodies of things on earth that people can clearly see.  But he's doing it to answer this one question in 15:35,

35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”

And this is from Vincent's Word Studies that Shimmer also posted on page 44:

“the scoffers who refused to believe in the existence of the future body would hardly have admitted the existence of angelic bodies. To convince them on their own ground, the apostle appeals exclusively to what is seen” (Godet).

You see JA?  The “scoffers” who wouldn't even believe in a future body wouldn't possibly have believed in “ANGELIC BODIES”, so Paul used stuff they could see with their own eyes to convince them of something they couldn't see.

So you are right that Paul mentions celestial bodies in his teaching, but he does it to show that A PERSON'S spiritual heavenly body will be different from A PERSON'S earthly body.  He does it to answer the question raised in 15:35.

Are you with me so far?  If so, I will address your point that he is only talking about “those of us who will be raised……….not angels”.

peace and love,
mike

[mikeboll64]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 07 2010,10:56)

I follow after no one. Who do you see me following….

Unfortunately JA, this seems to be the truth lately. Try following after God and Jesus. That will help.

mike

[JustAskin]

Mike, this is tyical of you lately. You fully know that i meant, 'neither in this forum nor any man made netBible confused construction'

[mikeboll64]

Yes JA, I know what you meant.  And I also know you would rather follow the words of some Englisman in the 17th century that translated the KJV (sometimes rather poorly) than delve into the actual Hebrew and Greek words and their meanings in NETNotes.  But what I posted does seem to fit for you lately. You seem to be following the beat of your own drum, even when it conflicts with the beat of God's drum.

Will you answer my previous post about the celestial bodies?

mike

[JustAskin]

My God, Mikeboll…

Even quoting what you THINK are your 'killer' post, are posts against you.

Read what you quoted in green…

It says, even, 'Bodies ADAPTED for Heavenly life'…it doesn't say there are Heavenly bodies, but 'Bodies ADAPTED' for such.

Which is EXACTLY what i'm saying… Jesus is the first of the SPIRITUAL MEN, the new creation…

Mike,…please, don't make me swear. I hold you responsible if i do.

T8, please adjudicate here.

Why, Mikeboll, is the HEAVENLY BODY ONLY ADAPTED SO FROM THE DEATH OF THE FLESHLY BODY?

And, Mikeboll, which Angels, which Spirits, are ADAPTED into a heavenly body after dying mortal deaths…?

None…there is no such thing…

Everything spoken of in 1 Corinth 15, is concerning MANKIND and EARTHLY Flesh becoming Spiritual Flesh…nothing at all to do with Angel Spirits….Do Spirits have bodies…Do Angels have bodies…

Jesus is NOT an Angel now. He emptied himself of his divine nature and came as MAN. 100% Sinless Man.
From there he lived and died, sown in flesh body…was raised up by the Holy Spirit of God into a holy Spirited Body….'A spirit does not have flesh and blood as you see i have', and he said 'feed me' for he was hungry…flesh, flesh needs to be sustained. …'And he rose up into the air and disappered into the clouds'…he went away in Spirit….

Mike, Jesus is in a Spirit body…a Spirit with Body.

You are so lost because you know you are wrong that delusion has encompassed you…i see you crying un every post you make knowing you post falsely because once again you have lost…poor you. I am sorry that you can't just acknowledge truth. Perhaps what you said about your brother embarassing you was due to your years and years of lack of wisdom and like me, sadly, it became easier to sneer and smite you than bother trying to make you see sense….hence you thought you could be a God here in this forum…

I see, you've stopped proving 'Angel bodies' and gave fo…, er, moved onto to saying that man has a spirit…aka…a spirit in a body….and that's is what the verses are alluding around…

Mike, why is 'MAN sown a fleshly body, raised a spiritual body', so hard for you?

Which man is so far 'sown a fleshly body, raised a spiritusl body'?

Only one…Jesus Christ.

And moreover…how does this, in anyway, show Angels having bodies?

[Baker]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 07 2010,09:52)

Irene, Can you tell me what 'Celestial' means? Can you also name a 'Celestial body'?

I gave you Scriptures, can you read???Irene

[JustAskin]

Mike,

What is Celestial?

What is a celestial body?

Are a celestial bodies not Sun, moon and stars….comets, galaxies, planets, moons, blackholes, wormholes, meteors….?

Where does Paul say that Celestial bodies are Angels?

Boy, you are in for one big pantsdrop, you and Terra and Irene,…all dropping your pants for the world to gawp at….how does Scriptures say, 'For he makes a public spectacle of Rulers'…

[Baker]

JA

1Cr 15:39 All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds.

1Cr 15:40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.

1Cr 15:41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.

1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1Cr 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1Cr 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

Plain to see, Peace Irene

[terraricca]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 07 2010,19:02)

Mike, What is Celestial? What is a celestial body? Are a celestial bodies not Sun, moon and stars….comets, galaxies, planets, moons, blackholes, wormholes, meteors….? Where does Paul say that Celestial bodies are Angels? Boy, you are in for one big pantsdrop, you and Terra and Irene,…all dropping your pants for the world to gawp at….how does Scriptures say, 'For he makes a public spectacle of Rulers'…

JA

the truth can not be seen only understood;
1Co 15:12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised.
1Co 15:14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith.
1Co 15:15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.
1Co 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
1Co 15:18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.
1Co 15:19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.

SO COR;15, TALKS ABOUT WHAT JUSTASKING???

YES THE RESURECTION;DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT WILL BE THE EARTH,SUN,STARS,PLANETS ECT;THAT WILL BE RESURECTED ?

YOU NEVER COULD SEE FAR, THE LENGT OF YOUR NOSE PERUPS??

SO YOU ARE NOT SO TRUTHFUL AFTER ALL.

Pierre

[mikeboll64]

JA:

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My God, Mikeboll… Even quoting what you THINK are your 'killer' post, are posts against you. Read what you quoted in green… It says, even, 'Bodies ADAPTED for Heavenly life'…it doesn't say there are Heavenly bodies, but 'Bodies ADAPTED' for such. Which is EXACTLY what i'm saying… Jesus is the first of the SPIRITUAL MEN, the new creation…

What do you think that means JA?    If you lived on Mars, then you would possess a body that was adapted to living on Mars.  We live on earth, so we have bodies that are adapted to living on earth.  Angles live in heaven, so it would stand to reason that they have bodies that are adapted to living in heaven.

JA:

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Which man is so far 'sown a fleshly body, raised a spiritusl body'? Only one…Jesus Christ.

40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies;

Why does Paul mention “heavenly bodies” in the plural if he is only talking about one heavenly body?

47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.

Paul is clearly saying that Adam was the first man who was of the dust of the earth.  He says that Jesus is the second man who is of heaven.  Then he spells it out so clearly that a third grader could understand it.  He says, “as was Adam, so are those of the earth, and as is Jesus, so are those of heaven”.  

Who are “those of heaven” JA?  He doesn't say, “so will we be when we are raised”, does he?  He says “so also are those who ARE of heaven”, right?  ARE, as in present tense.  Not WILL BE, as in future tense.

But we are getting ahead of ourselves here.  First, do you agree with me and Shimmer's scholars that Paul mentions the celestial bodies as a way of showing people from what they CAN see about how a PERSON'S spiritual body will differ from their earthly body?  YES or NO.  Stop diverting things…….deal with the point in question, okay?

peace and love,
mike

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 07 2010,05:31)

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 06 2010,16:08) To All, As far as I can remember angels always have a body of one sort or another in scripture. Does anyone know when that is not true? Hi Kerwin, The only time I can think of right off the bat is the angel who killed 185,000 Assyrians in one night.  I can't remember that angel being described as a “man” or having “wings” or anything.   mike

Thank you,

I plan to study that if I can find time. Perhaps God will lead me too it is my daily scripture readings.

[JustAskin]

Mike,
Mike, Mike, Mike, Mikeboll…
I am laughing so much…i'm sorry…i really am…i'm trying to be good but you make me laugh at you in an unGodly way, mocking, belittling….Mike, why…? Because you are sad.

You even now imply that Jesus was a Man from Heaven…

Mike, please stop…what can i do to help you… Shall i just leave this topic because it is causing you to sin.

The thing is, Mike, you know it. You know it but can't help it because it would dent your pride…

Well, my man, pride is a dangerous thing to force maintain.

How man other things have drawn you into sinning in this way….remember your 'debate' with KJ and WJ…? You even strayed into saying that Jesus was God, and that Man was God…because of two things…one, the lack of fusion of how you write, leaving holes that a Sperm Whale could swim through (Your thinking goes: ''I know the ends don't meet up … I bet (Hope) they don't notice …I'll fill in holes in my argument later when i manufacture 'proof'! '')

Mike, you quote about 'the first man was from the earth, the second man is from heaven'

Mike, was the second man from Heaven?….do you really mean, 'the Man (Jesus/Man in Spirit Body) who now is in Heaven…was a 100%Spirit FROM Heaven?

Mike, does that sound more correct…please agree with me. I'm doing the body leaning forward, hands semi-wide, palms up and open… and concerned face, head nodding thing that's a psychological way of pleading…

Once again, do you see that '1corry 15' is speaking of MAN and earth.

Mike, please….please…
What is the opening verse of '1corry 15'?

We can't say 'fo..' in this forum but yet Scripture says (Can i quote Scriptures???)
Verse 35: “But some will say, 'How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?'”

Mike, is this pertaining to Angels/Spirits…

(And by the way, the answer to the question of the Holy Spirit being in one and not in another is… “Because it can”….ha ha…so simple really… Because it is SPIRIT…and SPIRIT can…ha ha…like the wind…blow where it will…ha ha…Mike, draw the threads together, not pull them apart… It is not in ONE Body, it is Spirit, and can be here, there, sometimes everywhere, sometimes nowhere, in all, in some, in none…careful..none doesn't always mean 'none' ha ha, Mike, I'm in fits of laughter…sorry mate. Now how can the Spirit be in all, some, many, all at the same time if it is one body…it would have to be in ONE ONLY…ONE PERSON alone…at a time, and how, being a BODY does it move from one place to another…and be in Many places at the same time ..if it is ONE Body, encased in A BODY… And Jesus, how is his Spirit ALSO in many at the same time as the Holy Spirit,…and the man's spirit as well…ha ha ha ha ha ha…. Go figure the body of that response!)

Your second problem is that your pride stops you seeing the truth, you go on a blinder…'i will not be beaten'. it's like you are playing a game, and you must 'win' even by trashing truth…you MUST Win…

Mike, to 'win' is to gain fuller knowledge of God, Jesus and the testament and revelation of Christ.

Verse 36: “….ish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies”
Hmm.. A seed…must 'die' from it's parent before it can germinate….
The body of man cannot be raised up unless it first dies…
Man cannot attain the Spiritual state unless he first dies physically or metaphorically in the flesh.

Paul then goes on to give examples of things that are sown, 'wheat or perhaps some other grain'

Mike, …here you missed the opportunity to say that the body is made of grain, perhaps wheat!!!
Paul says it, doesn't he??? And you take Paul literally, of course.

Verse 38: But God gives it a body as he pleases… (What is it that God gives a body…what is the subject here? The wheat, or other grain, perhaps.)
“And to each seed its own body”
Mike, is a Spirit creature a seed…? Is an Angel 'a seed'. Do Angels propergate??

Verse 39:, Paul then states that there are different types of flesh (Do Angels have flesh. Do Spirits have flesh)

Paul, verse 40:, then moves on to bodies, and shows different types of bodies. The body on the earth, Fish, Man, Birds, Animals.
And Celestial bodies (Does anyone not know what 'Celestial' means)
He says the glory of each is different. The body of man is not the same as fish, bird, animal.
Likewise the body of the Sun is different from that of the moon and both, of the stars.

Mike, where in all that, are Angels mentioned…compared…
Mike, where is Man compared to Angels…
Mike, verse 40 and 41 …what do they say…
The glory of the terrestial is one, …
(He has shown this as Man , animal, fish, bird)
the glory of the celestial is another
(The Sun is of one glory, the moon another, and yet, the stars too, are a different glory)

Mike, what is the Glory of the 'Spirit body'. Please show me what Paul says about the 'Spirit Body' so far…in fact, Anything to do with Spirit, Angels so far from verse 35 to 41.

Now, Paul gets back, in verse 42, to the question in verse 35.
The resurrection of the dead (Mankind, Mike. Are Angels/Spirits resurrected, when did they die?), then will be that they will be raised up from corruptible bodies into incorruptible bodies…everlasting bodies (Verse 44).
The body of Man, is sown (put into the ground, dies) a natural (Corruptible bodies), and is raised a Spiritual (Incorruptible) body.

Mike, where is Angels/Heavenly Spirits mentioned?

Verse 35 through 44 speaks not a single word concerning Angels/Spirits.

It speaks of Mankind, the body of Man, dying in corruption, and being raised in an incurruptible Spiritual body.

Who has done so… Mike, who has done so…?

Only Jesus Christ….so far…

Why?

Because only Jesus has so far been raised in Power (verse 43).
Only Jesus has an incurruptible Spiritual body (verse 42)

Verse 48: Mike, who is the 'Heavenly Man'?
Is there more than one Heavenly Man?

And all the rest of chapter 15, is completely about MANKIND taking on the image of the heavenly Man, Jesus Christ….

Please, Mike, please come to your senses…and lead your sheep back to the fold…my arms are open, like the pen gates, ready to welcome you all in….

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