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Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 05 2012,12:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2012,12:01) This is an excerpt from a NETNote about John 1:1………….. The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”)
I already explained to you that the origin of the word was meant to describe a human being.Person: early 13c., from O.Fr. persone “human being” (12c., Fr. personne), from L. persona “human being,”
You already agree that God is not a Human being and that is the only thing I am saying.
In Philosophy they went further as to determine exactly what makes someone/something human it was never intended to assign the word to Non-Humans.
I am not opposed to you calling God a person if it helps you visualize or get a better concept but the fact is God is not a Human i.e. person nor a respector of persons of course if God was a person he would be a respector of at least his own person but the scripture is clear that God is not a respector of PERSONS therefore He cannot be a person
Hi BD,I agree, “entity” is a better word.
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2012,13:42) Definition #5 fits nicely, Asana. Have you seriously never heard someone talk about the funny PERSONality their pet has? 
We run into the same thing with common dictionaries and “spiritual bodies”. A dictionary wants to list a body as something consisting of flesh, yet you and I know there are bodies in heaven that don't consist of flesh, don't we?
Also, if we were to use only the Olde English definitions for the words we use today, no one would have any idea what we were saying. Meanings change over the years.
For example, if you have kids, you are familiar with the Smurfs. These animated gnomes (or whatever they are) are little blue PEOPLE – even though they are not human.
Asana, anyone or anything that has a PERSONality is a person. And yes, I realize that many people consider the word to only apply to human beings, but that is not the case. The angels have personalities, therefore they are persons. God has a personality, therefore He is a person.
When we speak of scriptural matters, sometimes “generally regarded” won't cut it. Because often times, dictionaries aren't geared toward spiritual or scriptural understandings.
Anyway, this is all off topic. I believe a person is anyone or anything with an individual personality. Your belief may vary.
I have no problem with your understanding “Person” from that perspective so I will in consideration of your point of view state that Angels are not Humans and God is not a Human although they are persons i.e. Having personalitiesQuote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 05 2012,20:18) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 05 2012,13:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 05 2012,19:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2012,12:01) This is an excerpt from a NETNote about John 1:1………….. The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word with the person of God (this is ruled out by 1:1b, “the Word was with God”)
I already explained to you that the origin of the word was meant to describe a human being.Person: early 13c., from O.Fr. persone “human being” (12c., Fr. personne), from L. persona “human being,”
You already agree that God is not a Human being and that is the only thing I am saying.
In Philosophy they went further as to determine exactly what makes someone/something human it was never intended to assign the word to Non-Humans.
I am not opposed to you calling God a person if it helps you visualize or get a better concept but the fact is God is not a Human i.e. person nor a respector of persons of course if God was a person he would be a respector of at least his own person but the scripture is clear that God is not a respector of PERSONS therefore He cannot be a person
bodWorld English Dictionary
person (ˈpɜːs ə n)— n , pl persons
1.an individual human being
2.the body of a human being, sometimes including his or her clothing: guns hidden on his person
3.a grammatical category into which pronouns and forms of verbs are subdivided depending on whether they refer to the speaker, the person addressed, or some other individual, thing, etc
4.a human being or a corporation recognized in law as having certain rights and obligations
5.philosophy a being characterized by consciousness, rationality, and a moral sense, and traditionally thought of as consisting of both a body and a mind or soul
6.archaic a character or role; guise
7.Person (ˈpɜːs ə n)
— n
Christianity any of the three hypostases existing as distinct in the one God and constituting the Trinity. They are the First Person, the Father, the Second Person, the Son, and the Third Person, the Holy Ghostis this enough ?
It's enough to show that I was correct that a person is generally regarded as a Human Being.Notice you have to be talking philosophically to arrive at any other conclusion
bodmen talks in a philosophically way wen it comes to God,
Hi BD,
When one uses words with questionable definitions to the meaning intended, it is no wonder
that others would ask further questions as to which definition is specifically being used.The word “entity” offers no such confusion to the definition that's intended!
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,14:37) Hi BD, When one uses words with questionable definitions to the meaning intended, it is no wonder
that others would ask further questions as to which definition is specifically being used.The word “entity” offers no such confusion to the definition that's intended!
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Entity is a useful word but “God” is the only word needed to refer to God.If there is only one of something then there is no need to use such other words unless they are equivalent to a unique position such as God.
There are no other gods and therefore God is God alone. whether you use the modern YHVH or the ORIGINAL YHWH it is still referring to God even if you put vowels where they don't belong not understanding that the 4 letters are in fact vowel sounds you are still referring to God.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,21:03) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,12:02) Hi MB,
Yes theologians tie themselves in knots over the WORD
Hi Nick,They stumble over many words. (see 2Peter 3:16)
edjthis is addressed to you;2Pe 3:16 He(Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 04 2012,21:18) I have no problem with your understanding “Person” from that perspective so I will in consideration of your point of view state that Angels are not Humans and God is not a Human although they are persons i.e. Having personalities 
I've invited Toby (Istari/JA) to your thread. I'm surprised he didn't show yet. Maybe tomorrow.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 05 2012,15:15) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,14:37) Hi BD, When one uses words with questionable definitions to the meaning intended, it is no wonder
that others would ask further questions as to which definition is specifically being used.The word “entity” offers no such confusion to the definition that's intended!
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Entity is a useful word but “God” is the only word needed to refer to God.If there is only one of something then there is no need to use such other words unless they are equivalent to a unique position such as God.
There are no other gods and therefore God is God alone. whether you use the modern YHVH or the ORIGINAL YHWH it is still referring to God even if you put vowels where they don't belong not understanding that the 4 letters are in fact vowel sounds you are still referring to God.
Hi BD,(26)יהוה = “GOD”(26)
Exactly, that is why we do NOT say “THE GOD”,
because the word “THE” IS NOT NEEDED!B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 05 2012,15:30) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,21:03) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,12:02) Hi MB,
Yes theologians tie themselves in knots over the WORD
Hi Nick,They stumble over many words. (see 2Peter 3:16)
edjthis is addressed to you;2Pe 3:16 He(Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee(Ed J) shall prosper;
and every tongue that shall rise against thee(Ed J) in judgment thou shalt condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,17:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 05 2012,15:30) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,21:03) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,12:02) Hi MB,
Yes theologians tie themselves in knots over the WORD
Hi Nick,They stumble over many words. (see 2Peter 3:16)
edjthis is addressed to you;2Pe 3:16 He(Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee(Ed J) shall prosper;
and every tongue that shall rise against thee(Ed J) in judgment thou shalt condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
edjyou really do not get it ;you are a men of the world why would anything happen to you before we all be judged,
this is your time of glory,see all the true Christians are either dead ,killed by those of the world,but alive in Christ ,
you on the other hand you use the scriptures to show you belong to God but how, we all know that scriptures were written to announce the coming of Christ and the things to come because of him,not you and none of the disciples of Christ ad never lied or give false testimonyQuote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,10:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 05 2012,15:15) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,14:37) Hi BD, When one uses words with questionable definitions to the meaning intended, it is no wonder
that others would ask further questions as to which definition is specifically being used.The word “entity” offers no such confusion to the definition that's intended!
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Entity is a useful word but “God” is the only word needed to refer to God.If there is only one of something then there is no need to use such other words unless they are equivalent to a unique position such as God.
There are no other gods and therefore God is God alone. whether you use the modern YHVH or the ORIGINAL YHWH it is still referring to God even if you put vowels where they don't belong not understanding that the 4 letters are in fact vowel sounds you are still referring to God.
Hi BD,(26)יהוה = “GOD”(26)
Exactly, that is why we do NOT say “THE GOD”,
because the word “THE” IS NOT NEEDED!B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
You still don't understand proper grammar but that's okay but you should learn what a definite article is. Jesus says:John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.Why didn't he just say “that they might know God” why did Jesus use the definite article?
Anyway, you still are using the modern “Vav” and ignoring your Creator's name in its original form so I gues your not so picky after all.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2012,10:34) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,17:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 05 2012,15:30) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,21:03) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,12:02) Hi MB,
Yes theologians tie themselves in knots over the WORD
Hi Nick,They stumble over many words. (see 2Peter 3:16)
edjthis is addressed to you;2Pe 3:16 He(Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee(Ed J) shall prosper;
and every tongue that shall rise against thee(Ed J) in judgment thou shalt condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
edjyou really do not get it ;you are a men of the world why would anything happen to you before we all be judged,
this is your time of glory,see all the true Christians are either dead ,killed by those of the world,but alive in Christ ,
you on the other hand you use the scriptures to show you belong to God but how, we all know that scriptures were written to announce the coming of Christ and the things to come because of him,not you and none of the disciples of Christ ad never lied or give false testimony
EDdoesn't believe in the coming of Christ he says Jesus already has returned and now “Ed” says God has called him to do the great work of proving God's existence the only problem is ED does not really pay attention so God might have simply called ED to prove to Ed that God is real.
ED won't even use the original spelling of the Hebrew name YHWH he keeps using the modern YHVH simply because it = 63 so he prefers his number system over God Almighty and it's really sad.
bod
Quote Entity is a useful word but “God” is the only word needed to refer to God. this would be true if there would be only one God that men can worship,but there are many gods
Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 06 2012,11:44) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2012,10:34) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,17:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 05 2012,15:30) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,21:03) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,12:02) Hi MB,
Yes theologians tie themselves in knots over the WORD
Hi Nick,They stumble over many words. (see 2Peter 3:16)
edjthis is addressed to you;2Pe 3:16 He(Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee(Ed J) shall prosper;
and every tongue that shall rise against thee(Ed J) in judgment thou shalt condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
edjyou really do not get it ;you are a men of the world why would anything happen to you before we all be judged,
this is your time of glory,see all the true Christians are either dead ,killed by those of the world,but alive in Christ ,
you on the other hand you use the scriptures to show you belong to God but how, we all know that scriptures were written to announce the coming of Christ and the things to come because of him,not you and none of the disciples of Christ ad never lied or give false testimony
EDdoesn't believe in the coming of Christ he says Jesus already has returned and now “Ed” says God has called him to do the great work of proving God's existence the only problem is ED does not really pay attention so God might have simply called ED to prove to Ed that God is real.
ED won't even use the original spelling of the Hebrew name YHWH he keeps using the modern YHVH simply because it = 63 so he prefers his number system over God Almighty and it's really sad.
Hi BD,Joshua 22:34 And the children of Reuben and the children of Gad called
the altar Ed: for Ed shall be a witness between us that the LORD is God.
God's name was written in the Hebrew language, English is not original!B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2012,11:51) bod Quote Entity is a useful word but “God” is the only word needed to refer to God. this would be true if there would be only one God that men can worship,but there are many gods
The fact is there are not many gods, There is only one God.Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,19:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 06 2012,11:44) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2012,10:34) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 06 2012,17:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 05 2012,15:30) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2012,21:03) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2012,12:02) Hi MB,
Yes theologians tie themselves in knots over the WORD
Hi Nick,They stumble over many words. (see 2Peter 3:16)
edjthis is addressed to you;2Pe 3:16 He(Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee(Ed J) shall prosper;
and every tongue that shall rise against thee(Ed J) in judgment thou shalt condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
edjyou really do not get it ;you are a men of the world why would anything happen to you before we all be judged,
this is your time of glory,see all the true Christians are either dead ,killed by those of the world,but alive in Christ ,
you on the other hand you use the scriptures to show you belong to God but how, we all know that scriptures were written to announce the coming of Christ and the things to come because of him,not you and none of the disciples of Christ ad never lied or give false testimony
EDdoesn't believe in the coming of Christ he says Jesus already has returned and now “Ed” says God has called him to do the great work of proving God's existence the only problem is ED does not really pay attention so God might have simply called ED to prove to Ed that God is real.
ED won't even use the original spelling of the Hebrew name YHWH he keeps using the modern YHVH simply because it = 63 so he prefers his number system over God Almighty and it's really sad.
Hi BD,Joshua 22:34 And the children of Reuben and the children of Gad called
the altar Ed: for Ed shall be a witness between us that the LORD is God.
God's name was written in the Hebrew language, English is not original!B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Then why aren't you spelling it in the original Hebrew letters, modern Hebrew is not the original, If you want to be authentic then take out the “Vav” and put the “Waw” back otherwise you are a poor witness and not doing what you claim unless you take the word “alter” to mean “Altered” as in changed God's nameQuote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2012,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2012,11:51) bod Quote Entity is a useful word but “God” is the only word needed to refer to God. this would be true if there would be only one God that men can worship,but there are many gods
The fact is there are not many gods, There is only one God.
bodtheir are many false gods but only one true God and he is the God and father of Christ the son of that God,
your prophet is unknown to the true God ,only his son Jesus Christ is the true prophet ,
so your prophet Muhammad and his god are false prophet and false god
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2012,03:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2012,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2012,11:51) bod Quote Entity is a useful word but “God” is the only word needed to refer to God. this would be true if there would be only one God that men can worship,but there are many gods
The fact is there are not many gods, There is only one God.
bodtheir are many false gods but only one true God and he is the God and father of Christ the son of that God,
your prophet is unknown to the true God ,only his son Jesus Christ is the true prophet ,
so your prophet Muhammad and his god are false prophet and false god
Then you agree that there is ONLY ONE GOD and that means that of course that ONE GOD is also THE GOD of Muhammad because the GOD you claim says this:Jeremiah 32:27
Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?If you say the God you believe in is not the God of Muhammad then you don't believe in God as you claim.
WAKE UP
Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2012,14:33) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2012,03:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2012,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2012,11:51) bod Quote Entity is a useful word but “God” is the only word needed to refer to God. this would be true if there would be only one God that men can worship,but there are many gods
The fact is there are not many gods, There is only one God.
bodtheir are many false gods but only one true God and he is the God and father of Christ the son of that God,
your prophet is unknown to the true God ,only his son Jesus Christ is the true prophet ,
so your prophet Muhammad and his god are false prophet and false god
Then you agree that there is ONLY ONE GOD and that means that of course that ONE GOD is also THE GOD of Muhammad because the GOD you claim says this:Jeremiah 32:27
Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?If you say the God you believe in is not the God of Muhammad then you don't believe in God as you claim.
WAKE UP
bodQuote If you say the God you believe in is not the God of Muhammad then you don't believe in God as you claim. WAKE UP
GE 13:13 Now the men of Sodom were wicked exceedingly and sinners against the LORD.
EX 23:1 “ You shall not bear a false report; do not join your hand with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.
2SA 4:11 “How much more, when wicked men have killed a righteous man in his own house on his bed, shall I not now require his blood from your hand and destroy you from the earth?”
1CH 17:9 “I will appoint a place for My people Israel, and will plant them, so that they may dwell in their own place and not be moved again; and the wicked will not waste them anymore as formerly,
PS 1:1 How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked,
Nor stand in the path of sinners,
Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
PS 1:4
The wicked are not so,
But they are like chaff which the wind drives away.
PS 1:5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
Nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
PS 1:6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous,
But the way of the wicked will perish.The wicked will return to Sheol,
Even all the nations who forget God.
PS 10:2 In pride the wicked hotly pursue the afflicted;
Let them be caught in the plots which they have devised.
PS 10:3
For the wicked boasts of his heart’s desire,
And the greedy man curses and spurns the LORD.
PS 10:4 The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him.
All his thoughts are, “ There is no God.”
PS 10:13 Why has the wicked spurned God?
He has said to himself, “You will not require it.”
PS 10:15 Break the arm of the wicked and the evildoer,those are only a few scriptures that shows those who do not worship the God and father of Christ
Quote If you say the God you believe in is not the God of Muhammad then you don't believe in God as you claim. WAKE UP
yes the true God is his God and master that will judge him through Christ,for all the murders and crimes that he and his people that followed him have committed
Wake up and see
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2012,07:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2012,14:33) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2012,03:24) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 07 2012,10:14) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 06 2012,11:51) bod Quote Entity is a useful word but “God” is the only word needed to refer to God. this would be true if there would be only one God that men can worship,but there are many gods
The fact is there are not many gods, There is only one God.
bodtheir are many false gods but only one true God and he is the God and father of Christ the son of that God,
your prophet is unknown to the true God ,only his son Jesus Christ is the true prophet ,
so your prophet Muhammad and his god are false prophet and false god
Then you agree that there is ONLY ONE GOD and that means that of course that ONE GOD is also THE GOD of Muhammad because the GOD you claim says this:Jeremiah 32:27
Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?If you say the God you believe in is not the God of Muhammad then you don't believe in God as you claim.
WAKE UP
bodQuote If you say the God you believe in is not the God of Muhammad then you don't believe in God as you claim. WAKE UP
GE 13:13 Now the men of Sodom were wicked exceedingly and sinners against the LORD.
EX 23:1 “ You shall not bear a false report; do not join your hand with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.
2SA 4:11 “How much more, when wicked men have killed a righteous man in his own house on his bed, shall I not now require his blood from your hand and destroy you from the earth?”
1CH 17:9 “I will appoint a place for My people Israel, and will plant them, so that they may dwell in their own place and not be moved again; and the wicked will not waste them anymore as formerly,
PS 1:1 How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked,
Nor stand in the path of sinners,
Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
PS 1:4
The wicked are not so,
But they are like chaff which the wind drives away.
PS 1:5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
Nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
PS 1:6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous,
But the way of the wicked will perish.The wicked will return to Sheol,
Even all the nations who forget God.
PS 10:2 In pride the wicked hotly pursue the afflicted;
Let them be caught in the plots which they have devised.
PS 10:3
For the wicked boasts of his heart’s desire,
And the greedy man curses and spurns the LORD.
PS 10:4 The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him.
All his thoughts are, “ There is no God.”
PS 10:13 Why has the wicked spurned God?
He has said to himself, “You will not require it.”
PS 10:15 Break the arm of the wicked and the evildoer,those are only a few scriptures that shows those who do not worship the God and father of Christ
Quote If you say the God you believe in is not the God of Muhammad then you don't believe in God as you claim. WAKE UP
yes the true God is his God and master that will judge him through Christ,for all the murders and crimes that he and his people that followed him have committed
Wake up and see
Yes, so you agree the True God is the God of Muhammad and Muhammad will be judged just as Moses will be judged, right?
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