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i have been wondering when dinosaurs were in regards to man.
i was raised a JW as a kid because my parents made me.
my answer to that from them was that they were around when man was, up into noahs day and thats how they died off ,in the flood.
but i have seen that a poster DAVID who is a JW had stated that we don't know the actual time frame from genesis. however that is not what i was taught when i went during the 1970's and 1980's.
i noticed now that some of there own ideas and new translation over to their own version of the bible is changing slowly then they deny having said certain things.
just curious because i was taught that those 7 days were literal 7 days
C'mon peace2all
Why are you looking in scripture? There are no answers to anything in there.
Dinosaurs went extinct at the end of the Cretaceous, 65 million years ago. Humans (the ones with the big brains) have been around for the last 185,000 years.
There is no overlap between dinosaurs and humans.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 31 2009,09:30) C'mon peace2all Why are you looking in scripture? There are no answers to anything in there.
Dinosaurs went extinct at the end of the Cretaceous, 65 million years ago. Humans (the ones with the big brains) have been around for the last 185,000 years.
There is no overlap between dinosaurs and humans.
Stuart
i wasn't really looking at scripture for it, but when i was younger as a kid asking normal questions.when you are raised in a faith from birth and the people in that religon tell you that they died in the flood, sounds insane.
thats why i mentioned the bible and if it was so then it would be in the bible as well as in other civilizations texts or carvings, yet there are none.
i was given incorrect knowledge of things. just things i've noticed that from a JW standpoint its not 100% right as they claim they are on all these matters.
now i see that they don't beleive the earth was created in a literal 7 days, but thats what i was taught from the JW.
i see that DAVID a poster here who is a JW had posted that we don't know the time really in the genesis book, but thats not what they originally taught. they seem to change very slightly on views, then try to deny or say they said something else.
OK, I see your position.
Did you think at the time that it was insane to believe that dinosaurs died in the alleged flood? If so, did you express that to anyone, and did you get any reaction?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 31 2009,09:51) OK, I see your position. Did you think at the time that it was insane to believe that dinosaurs died in the alleged flood? If so, did you express that to anyone, and did you get any reaction?
Stuart
hey stuart,
i thought it to be obsurd even at my young age but accepted it because thats what i was taught.who was i to fight it being but a child.
it was so long ago but i think i came back with well wouldn't they have been eating the people since they were so huge and i think the reply was god wouldn't allow it, ubt i don't recall it all just that they were killed off at the time of the flood.
I have discussed with David the question of whether the days are literal or allegorical for eras. He believes in the allegorical version, but I don't remember him ever saying that it was any kind of JW teaching.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 31 2009,11:38) I have discussed with David the question of whether the days are literal or allegorical for eras. He believes in the allegorical version, but I don't remember him ever saying that it was any kind of JW teaching. Stuart
i have seen him post that, however i was taught the opposite when i had gone.there are things that they seem to have changed but then will deny they ever held those beliefs.
i had posted up a whole bunch or things i know they beleive and asked him if thy still do, he told me that they JW”S don't beleive them but i know that is a lie.
my parents are still JW's and they still have the mentality of what i asked him
they have to now, they rode out the explanation that the flood killed off the dino's way too long. HAHA
Have you heard of that one about the mountains being lower in the time of the flood, requiring less water than people think?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 31 2009,12:02) Have you heard of that one about the mountains being lower in the time of the flood, requiring less water than people think? Stuart
no i haven't, we know mountains raise and fall over time so im sure its possible.i was watching the history channel the other day and they had a show about the grand canyon and how it can hold all the water in the world and still have plenty of room.
The point about the mountain thing is that you can calculate the likely height of Everest those few thousand years ago that is the claimed time of the flood, and with a very generous calculation imagine that Everest might have been 10% smaller. 90% of a ridiculous amount of water is still a ridiculous amount of water. I think the JWs who told me about this had Everest at a much smaller fraction of its current height.
Of course you do not need any of these arguments to show that the flood is a mythological account of something that never happened.
Stuart
well i'm sure that there had to be some form of global flood. it has been shown that there are sea fossils on tops of mountains all over the eartth. and if you say even if the mountains were 10% smaller, that still makes then pretty dang high.
so i don't know if i would call it a myth
What else do you call something for which there should be plenty of physical evidence but is none?
What do you call an event that many claim happened within the past few thousand years but is contradicted by bristlecone dendrochronology?
You should be able to date it within 30 years, if it happened within the past few thousand.
Can you tell me what year it happened?Of course not. It is a myth.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 31 2009,14:32) What else do you call something for which there should be plenty of physical evidence but is none? What do you call an event that many claim happened within the past few thousand years but is contradicted by bristlecone dendrochronology?
You should be able to date it within 30 years, if it happened within the past few thousand.
Can you tell me what year it happened?Of course not. It is a myth.
Stuart
ok stu.scientists and Archeologist have proven people,places and evidence of many many things in the bible.
one can either say that its all fake no matter what is shown or
thy have shown truth t oit with technology we have.
i see that if that same technology showed you truth in other things you would believe it but since its the bible you have no interest.
thats ok we all have our own minds to think as we want.
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 31 2009,14:32) What else do you call something for which there should be plenty of physical evidence but is none? What do you call an event that many claim happened within the past few thousand years but is contradicted by bristlecone dendrochronology?
You should be able to date it within 30 years, if it happened within the past few thousand.
Can you tell me what year it happened?Of course not. It is a myth.
Stuart
so what do trees have to do with anything?so what all physical evidence should last many thousands of years.
the things we make today fade away faster tahtn that.
however there are carvings, writings and things of that nature that make truth to bible teachings.
you kinda asound like my fiancee's brother who came over the other day, he's an athiest and doesn't beleive in god or a reason for things being anything. just that it is that it is .
however he believes in evolution and that things mutate and create itself into other things.
he believes in creation in that sence but not that it needed to start from somewhere at some point.
so its ok to have alway been something there as long as its not GOD.
that is totally ignorant thinking on his part.
GOD can't have always been but had created it, but everything has always been and has been creating itself by itself.
LOL – get my drift, can't say yuo don't beleive whene in fact you do just that you do but one just doesn't want t olive life for another but their own selfish desires
Yes I get your drift, but really it is an anti-science rant, isn't it. If we are being honest!
Actually P2A when do you think the alleged flood happened?
Then we can examine the dendrochronological evidence that stretches back as far as 10,000 years into the past and see if there is any sign of all bristlecones being killed by water and regrowing from seed, can't we.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 01 2010,01:02) Yes I get your drift, but really it is an anti-science rant, isn't it. If we are being honest! Actually P2A when do you think the alleged flood happened?
Then we can examine the dendrochronological evidence that stretches back as far as 10,000 years into the past and see if there is any sign of all bristlecones being killed by water and regrowing from seed, can't we.
Stuart
i'm not anti science at all, they do great things. there are many branches of science tht we all benefit fromwhy would you say that i am? is that what you have pre planned in your mind that one must be,.thats you creating a fight before it being so.
god doesn't attack science but it seems from your view that science attacks god?
your same science has proven many things in the bible yet obviously that doesn't matter.
your same science is searching for other things in the bible today.
it seems that when they do it only backs up god and the bible then they try to search something else. your science is going to make you change your mind for it is backing up the bible
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 01 2010,01:02) Yes I get your drift, but really it is an anti-science rant, isn't it. If we are being honest! Actually P2A when do you think the alleged flood happened?
Then we can examine the dendrochronological evidence that stretches back as far as 10,000 years into the past and see if there is any sign of all bristlecones being killed by water and regrowing from seed, can't we.
Stuart
no ranting going on hereyou have no proof that god didn't create all.
for one i see that those trees average age is 1000 it says and only a few are up to 4000 years old
i also had read that also ont all trees life rings represent a single year. good thing about the internet you can find useful information.
so your theory of the bristlepine is not without flaws or not a exact way.
jesus was her on earth over 2000 years ago and noah was here way before that.
things in the bible via science has been proven and i think that it is not a fake made up book.
no man has all the answers or abe to comprehend everything tht god can do.
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