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I so no answer to my question. Please re-post the part that “explicitly shows” an answer to my question
Notice how I used your words?
My answer was that your bible version shows a different context than other versions. Yours says “when they killed the Passover” where other versions says “when it was customary to kill the passover” etc. I gave many examples – please see post.
You are getting like Gene and Jodi,
they only jibber jabber their views into the conversation
all the while working hard to avoid answering the tough questions…in long drawn out propaganda speeches. Please do not be like them!
Showing different bible translations is NOT propaganda!
Showing different bible translations is NOT propaganda!
It sure is. Man’s twisted words ARE PROPAGANDA
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,
saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are
my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:8-9)Nice dodge, now will you answer my question like I asked?
“when they killed the passover”
What do you suppose that means if Lamb was not on the menu?Please answer?
“when they killed the passover”
What do you suppose that means if Lamb was not on the menu?
Now will you please answer my question?
και τη πρωτη ημερα των αζυμων οτε το πασχα εθυον λεγουσιν αυτω οι μαθηται αυτου που θελεις απελθοντες ετοιμασωμεν ινα φαγης το πασχα
And on the first day of the azymes, when the pass is said, these students of the one you want to be deported, we prepare to eat the pass.
https://www.translator.eu/english/greek/translation/
https://www.translate.com/greek-english
Prove all things!
Hi Procliamer,
FALSE! – it does not say unclean animals are clean to eat. It instead says:
what “you eat” will not defile you,Okay, you made the point for me then. Eating meat doesn’t defile a person.
One person can eat meat but a weaker brother or sister may not. Thus don’t eat meat in front of them. Do it when they are not there so they won’t be offended or feel defiled.
Jesus was the passover lamb without blemish. He even told us to eat his flesh and drink his blood. While we are sure he wasn’t telling us to eat his dead body, this indirectly tells us about the passover in the context of this discussion.
As you say, Jesus did eat fish, but meat (non fish), is only assumed because nobody can show me yet where it explicitly shows Jesus eating meat.
Is fish meat or veg? It’s meat. Just not a land based animal’s flesh. Rather a water based one as you point out.
Okay, you made the point for me then. Eating meat doesn’t defile a person.
One person can eat meat but a weaker brother or sister may not. Thus don’t eat meat in front of them. Do it when they are not there so they won’t be offended or feel defiled.
Yes T8,
And that same principal applies to lots of things; Alcohol, lottery tickets, ect…
In other words Don’t tell people what you do that may offend them.Always good when we agree!
: )
Jesus was the passover lamb without blemish. He even told us to eat his flesh and drink his blood. While we are sure he wasn’t telling us to eat his dead body, this indirectly tells us about the passover in the context of this discussion.
Yes,
The Passover meal was definitely Lamb. Miia and others like Gene and Jodi
can live in a cloud choosing not to accept what the bible clearly teaches,
and make excuses! But others like me and you make sure what we
believe does NOT contradict Scripture.…always willing to answer y/n questions so others views too may also harmonize with Scripture!
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God bless
Ed JEdj……Where have I ever said, I don’t eat meat? seems you still have your problem lying about what people say or do. Espically someone who think our bible is a secret numbering system, talk about living in a CLOUD, LOL.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene
Ed, I cannot discuss anything with you when you are unwilling or unable to comprehend. Also, preparing to eat something and ACTUALLY eating it are two different things.
I will take it then that there is NO PROOF that Jesus ate meat – none whatsoever.
And t8.. the fact it doesn’t say he did is actually proof enough for me that he did not. No sin was found in him! You think eating animal flesh is not a big deal. Well it is, because James said so (refrain from blood and the eating of flesh, and meat offered to idols).
And I don’t know where you got your bible translation from Ed.
Bible Hub has:
“When the Passover lamb they WERE TO SACRIFICE”
Is fish meat or veg? It’s meat. Just not a land based animal’s flesh. Rather a water based one as you point out.
Jesus ate fish, so being the creator of the world He would know. I also eat fish.
Okay, you made the point for me then. Eating meat doesn’t defile a person.
One person can eat meat but a weaker brother or sister may not. Thus don’t eat meat in front of them. Do it when they are not there so they won’t be offended or feel defiled.
Once again t8, you are confusing what Jesus said with what Paul said.
Jesus was referring to hand washing, not meat eating.
t8,
After the flood in Noah’s time, God gave humanity permission to eat meat (Genesis 9:2-3).
There were no plants so man had to eat something temporarily.
If Jesus opposed the slaughter and consumption of animals, the New Testament tells nothing of it.
It is all through it but you can’t see it.
Paul even warns against such a doctrine of demons, requiring others to abstain from God-given food (1 Timothy 4:3).
Paul says many things in opposition to the others. Which is why I asked Paul not be brought into this discussion!
Quoted from here: http://www.godsdirectcontact.org/eng/news/177/vg_62.htm
Based on historical documents and the research of many Christian scholars, Jesus Christ and the early Christians were vegetarians.
It is believed that Jesus was a member of the Nazarenes, an Essene group living near Mount Carmel in Israel. The Essenes were one of the main religious sects in first century Palestine. Members wore white and followed a vegetarian diet.
According to the 4th century church historian, Epiphanius, and Jewish philosopher Philo, the Essenes were Jews who kept all the Jewish observances, but were nonviolent toward all living creatures and considered it unlawful to eat meat or make sacrifices with animals. As a member of this group, Jesus would have to have been a vegetarian, as was His brother James (Jacob) and all His disciples.
The main Essene scripture is the Gospel of the Holy Twelve, also known as the Gospel of the Nazarenes. This is the Gospel repeatedly mentioned, described and quoted by many commentators of the first century Church. However, this ancient scripture was hidden away for centuries in a Tibetan monastery and was rediscovered only in 1888. Many of the most revered early church fathers, as well as a surprising number of scholars today, have declared that the Gospel of the Holy Twelve is nothing less than the long-lost original Gospel. According to legend, this Gospel was collectively written by the 12 apostles immediately following Christ’s death, and it is the scripture upon which all of the Biblical synoptic Gospels are based. It so happens that this version of the New Testament also portrays Jesus as a strict vegetarian…..
…..Why were some of Jesus’ teachings in the Essene scriptures excluded from or revised in the Bible? Why did Christianity later abandon its vegetarian roots? According to Steven Rosen in his book, Food for the Spirit, “The early Christian fathers adhered to a meatless regime…many early Christian groups supported the meatless way of life. In fact, the writings of the early Church indicate that meat eating was not officially allowed until the 4th century, when the Emperor Constantine decided that his version of Christianity would be the version for everyone. A meat eating interpretation of the Bible therefore became the official creed of the Roman Empire, and vegetarian Christians had to practice in secret or risk being put to death for heresy. It is said that Constantine used to pour molten lead down their throats if they were captured.”
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