Did God die on the cross

[mikeboll64]

What if our head is one of those who will rule along with Christ? Shall we call all of our heads “God”? Or only the One that our head calls “my God”?

[942767]

Hi Kathi:

If you are a Christian and are married, your head is your husband according to the Word of God. Is your husband God? Sarah called her husband Lord according to the scriptures.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
There is only one head.
WE need to find our place in his rule

[Lightenup]

Nick and Marty and Mike,
In regards to the church, who is the head?

Certainly a husband is not a god just because he is a head over a wife. So what would make someone that claimed to be the head of a group a deity as opposed to a normal man?
Like I have said recently…
If He forgives sins like a God,
If He hears us yet is invisible to us like a God,
If He gives us His commandments to follow like a God,
If He insists that we are to believe in Him like a God,
If He creates all things in heaven and on earth like a God,
Then why do you have so much trouble realizing that the title “Lord” when applied to Him isn't the title of deity??

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
God was IN HIM.

[Lightenup]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 26 2012,19:26)

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 27 2012,10:06) Marty, The passages that I posted are in regards to the church, not the nation of Israel. Jesus is the husband to the church. Kathi Hi Kathi: You tried to use an OT scripture relating to the nation of Israel to show that God is the husband of Israel and therefore, since the scriptures show that Jesus is the husband of the church, Jesus is God. And what I have shown you is that Jesus by his own words stated that he is not God.   He is the husband of the church, and the church is the Israel of God. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,
The church is made up of the Jew and the Gentile believers and Christ is the husband of that church. The passage in the OT is in regards to how the husband of the church is going to bring many children into her.

The church is not referred to as the new Israel, or the spiritual Israel but as the new Jerusalem and sometimes Zion.

Kathi

[Lightenup]

Nick,
God's nature was His inherent nature and He was in the Father as the Father was in Him. God was in Him by nature as well as by Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
Certainly if you are speaking of the Spirit of Christ.
God was certainly also in him in the One Spirit.

[GeneBalthrop]

LU…………God is A Spirit his fullness was (IN) Jesus by the Christos, or Anointing of His very Self or Spirit , He being Spirit was truly (IN) Jesus guiding and directing his every Move, Jesus was not lying when he said he could do “NOTHING” from HIMSELF it was the FATHER GOD (IN) Him DOING THE WORKS, Just as He said He was. BUT none of that makes or made Jesus the GOD who was IN HIM, That is why Thomas said my Lord “AND” my GOD. God the Father was there (IN) Jesus and even Spoke DIRECTLY Though Jesus Mouth first Person at times. It was not Jesus who said Jerusalem  O Jerusalem  how kill the Prophets and stones them sent unto you, how often I (GOD) would have gathered you as a Hen her Chick under her wings but you would NOT…………………….> That was God first Person speaking through Jesus' Mouth and where it say destory this “TEMPLE” ,and in three Days I (GOD) shall raise (IT) the BODY of Jesus UP> That was GOD First Person Speaking through Jesus Mouth He was (IN) Jesus .  

peace and love to you and yours LU……………………………………………gene

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
He was a man in whom dwelled God and the Word as the one Spirit from the Jordan.

[Lightenup]

Gene, Nick,
When you read that Jesus is the Lord, do you understand that in the sense of deity or otherwise?

Thanks,
Kathi

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
As the head is to the body.
No argument
Ps 123

[Lightenup]

Nick,
The title 'Lord' is used in the sense of deity and also in the sense of non-deity. Which way do you understand it?

Kathi

[GeneBalthrop]

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Gene, Nick, When you read that Jesus is the Lord, do you understand that in the sense of deity or otherwise? Thanks, Kathi

Lu………There are all kinds of Lords , but ONLY ONE LORD GOD> Jesus is not a deity but there was a deity (IN) HIM and can be (IN) you also. BY that same anointing. That God may be all and in you all God can pour His Spirit into anyone he chooses to, just as he did Jesus Our Lord. This Separation of Jesus from our exact identity is a great evil work IMO

peace and love to you and yours Lu……………………………..Gene

[NickHassan]

Hi LU,
I am done with theological falsity.
How about you?

[Lightenup]

Glad to hear it Nick!

[Lightenup]

Gene,
Thanks, we disagree on this and I believe it is a major thing to disagree on.

Peace and love to you and yours also,
Kathi

[Lightenup]

Gene and Nick,
This Bible translation of the Aramaic NT that is said to be the original NT would so help you I think. Here is a few posts I made about it in the '200%' thread:

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Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 02 2012,13:53) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,22:40) Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 01 2012,16:38) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 01 2012,13:58) Hi LU, God the Son was the phrase. Surely you can find it elsewhere. If not the motion lapses for want of a seconder Hi Nick, How about some passages that clearly tell us that Jesus the Messiah is the LORD JEHOVAH. Philippians 2:6-11 Aramaic Bible in Plain English 6He who, while he was in the form of God, did not esteem this as a prize, that he was the equal of God, 7But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the children of men, and was found in fashion as a man. 8And he humbled himself and was obedient unto death, even the death of being crucified. 9Because of this, God has also greatly exalted him and he has given him The Name which is greater than all names, 10That in The Name of Yeshua, every knee shall bow, which is in Heaven and in The Earth and which is under The Earth, 11And every tongue shall confess that Yeshua The Messiah is THE LORD JEHOVAH to the glory of God his Father. 1 Cor 8:6 6To us, ours is one God The Father, for all things are from him and we are in him, and The One LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua The Messiah, for all things are by him, and we are also in his hand. Acts 10:34-36 34But Shimeon opened his mouth and he said, “In truth, I understand that God is no respecter of persons. 35But among all nations, whoever worships him and works righteousness is acceptable to him. 36For the word which he sent to the children of Israel and announced good news of peace and tranquility to them by Yeshua The Messiah, ( This One is LORD JEHOVAH of all ), There is three witnesses to Jesus being the LORD JEHOVAH. Ok, here is another verse that tells us that Jesus is the LORD JEHOVAH. 1 Cor 12:3 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) Because I inform you of this: there is no man who speaks by The Spirit of God and says, “Yeshua is damned”, neither can a man say, “Yeshua is THE LORD JEHOVAH”, except by The Spirit of Holiness. http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/12-3.htm Interesting and clear. Here is the first instance where the name, 'the Lord Jehovah' is applied to Jesus in the Peshitta which is claimed to be the original NT and is written in the Aramaic language. The person that translated the Peshitta into English and did not use the word 'Lord' or 'LORD' when translating the Aramaic word for YHVH which is MarYa. MarYa literally means 'Lord Jehovah'. This is a great and needed translation to clearly prove the deity of Christ providing it is accurate. Here is a website for further investigation: http://aramaicnt.com/articles.htm Now for the first and last verses that apply 'the Lord Jehovah' to Jesus in the NT: Luke 2:11 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) “For today, The Savior has been born to you, who is THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah, in the city of David.” from here: http://bible.cc/luke/2-11.htm Rev 22:20 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) And when he testified these things, he said, “Yes, I am coming soon.” “Come, LORD JEHOVAH Yeshua.” from here: http://bible.cc/revelation/22-20.htm Amazing! Another eye opener: 1 Corinthians 15:47 Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) The first man was dust from the ground; The second man, THE LORD JEHOVAH from Heaven. http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/15-47.htm

Some more verses to help to show Jesus as the Lord Jehovah:

Col 3:24
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And know that you will receive from our Lord a reward in the inheritance, for you serve THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah.
from:
http://bible.cc/colossians/3-24.htm

1 Peter 3:15
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
But hallow THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah in your hearts, and be ready to return a defense to everyone who requests a statement from you about the hope of your faith, in meekness and in reverence,
from:
http://bible.cc/1_peter/3-15.htm

These are just some of what the translator lists. He said that there are 50 clear references of Jesus as the Lord Jehovah of these in the NT.

Here again is the link where you can click on another link to get this list:

Here is a website for further investigation:
http://aramaicnt.com/articles.htm

I'm sure you will find this interesting,
Kathi

[942767]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 28 2012,13:24)

Nick and Marty and Mike, In regards to the church, who is the head? Certainly a husband is not a god just because he is a head over a wife. So what would make someone that claimed to be the head of a group a deity as opposed to a normal man? Like I have said recently… If He forgives sins like a God, If He hears us yet is invisible to us like a God, If He gives us His commandments to follow like a God, If He insists that we are to believe in Him like a God, If He creates all things in heaven and on earth like a God, Then why do you have so much trouble realizing that the title “Lord” when applied to Him isn't the title of deity??

Hi Kathi:

Jesus is the head of the church, and he said: “All power over heaven and earth has been given unto me”, and he has said: “no man comes to the Father but by me”.

But he is not God Kathi, he is the “last Adam”, a man who is the mediator between God and mankind by virture of his perfect obedience to God.

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1Cr 11:3   But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God. ]

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Eph 4:4   [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;   Eph 4:5   One Lord, one faith, one baptism,   Eph 4:6   One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all

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1Ti 2:5   For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Love in Christ,
Marty

[942767]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 28 2012,13:31)

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 26 2012,19:26) Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 27 2012,10:06) Marty, The passages that I posted are in regards to the church, not the nation of Israel. Jesus is the husband to the church. Kathi Hi Kathi: You tried to use an OT scripture relating to the nation of Israel to show that God is the husband of Israel and therefore, since the scriptures show that Jesus is the husband of the church, Jesus is God. And what I have shown you is that Jesus by his own words stated that he is not God.   He is the husband of the church, and the church is the Israel of God. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, The church is made up of the Jew and the Gentile believers and Christ is the husband of that church. The passage in the OT is in regards to how the husband of the church is going to bring many children into her. The church is not referred to as the new Israel, or the spiritual Israel but as the new Jerusalem and sometimes Zion. Kathi

Hi Kathi:

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Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Gal 6:16 ¶ And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. Love in Christ, Marty

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