Did God die on the cross

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Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2012,05:06)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 08 2012,04:51)

Hi KJ,
Have you not read the bible?
All things are yet to be put to order under King Jesus.

Hebrews 2:6-8 says that all things have been put under Jesus. It says that God left “not one thing” that is not put under Him. This was written near the end of the old covenant age.

Paul said that when all things are put under Him His reign ENDS and that He Himself becomes a SUBJECT.

So how can He begin a any kind of reign when He Himself becomes a subject?

Hi KJ
Heb 2.8
“…but now we DO NOT SEE all things subjected to him”

February 8, 2012 at 5:18 am#276456

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 07 2012,01:11)

Hi LU,
David wrote by the Spirit psalm 2 which Jesus quoted speaking of the prophesied Millenium where Jesus is given reign over the earth and brings it slowly back to perfect order.
By the flesh as a son of Joseph by adoption Jesus was David's son.

THE LORD of course is the words substituted for YHWH by the Jews.

Calling Jesus LORD LORD does not make us one with him or his Father.

Nick,
Do you mean Psalm 110? Jesus is now seated at the right hand of the Father…since His resurrection.

You are right that Jesus was David's son as the adopted son of Joseph.

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Calling Jesus LORD LORD does not make us one with him or his Father.

Also true. So is Jesus your Lord God with the Father or is He your Lord as a neighbor. One of those will unite you with Him and place you IN the kingdom and one of those will not. It is our goal to be IN the kingdom and not simply near the kingdom like the man that answered Jesus correctly. He knew the two greatest commandments yet Jesus implied that he was not yet 'in' the kingdom by telling him that he was not far from it.

Also, Jesus is also called Yahweh as is the Father.

Kathi

February 8, 2012 at 5:45 am#276462

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No K,
Ps 2
Yahshua was EMMANUEL.
From the jordan he manifested God in him.

February 8, 2012 at 5:51 am#276463

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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2012,16:32)

Kathi

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Think about it though, if the Son did all the work and the Father just supplied the materials,

why do you think THE WORD ;SON did all the work you do not know so you assume,yes.

why would you believe that God supplied all the material ? IF YOU READ SCRIPTURES YOU CAN SEE THAT CHRIST IS THE FIRST OF CREATION AND SO ;THEIR WAS NOTHING THEIR BESIDE GOD AND HIS SON, FROM HERE ON WHAT HAPPEN SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT ALL OTHER THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH THE SON ;NOW WHAT DOES IT MEAN ?? DID GOD PROVIDED ALL THE MATERIAL AT THE SAME TIME HE CREATED THE SON

IT SEEMS SO ;BECAUSE TI IS THROUGH THE SON THAT ALL THINGS ARE HOLDING TOGETHER (ACCORDING TO PAUL)BECAUSE IT ALSO SEEMS TO CLEAR THAT GOD ONLY CREATE DIRECTLY HIS SON;AND ALL OTHER THINGS WERE CREATED THROUGH HIM SO LIKE A BUFFER ZONE ,BUT A GOOD QUESTION NOW WOULD BE ,DID GOD CREATED THE ANGELS FIRST ? I DO BELIEVE SO BECAUSE IT SAYS,THAT THE INVISIBLE CREATE THE VISIBLE (PAUL) SO IT WOULD BE GOOD TO UNDERSTAND THE ORDER IN WITCH GOD CREATED THINGS ,AFTER THE ANGELS HE MUST HAVE CREATED THE BASE FOUNDATION OF THE PHYSICAL WORLD AND FROM THERE ON AND ON UNTIL THE EARTH WAS READY TO BE TRANSFORM TO CREATE MAN,

Pierre

Pierre,
You asked:

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why do you think THE WORD ;SON did all the work

you do not know so you assume,yes.

John 1:3 tells us that the Word made all things and that is 'made' as in a sense of completion. Did you ever play with Legos? It is sorta like the Father made the Legos and dumped them on the ground, not forming anything particular…and the Son put the Legos together to form the universe and all things visible and invisible in heaven and on the earth. All things are from the Father and through the Son.

Jesus was not a created thing but a begotten/born Son.

The order of creation, from what I can tell from scripture, is:
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, Gen 1:1…those are the basic elements in water (heavens) and earth. In other words, the Legos, if you will allow an analogy for the sake of communicating my view.
The elements (legos) were not put together as anything yet like legos just dumped on the ground…without form and water covering it.
Then the Spirit of God broods over the water sort of like an expectant Father pacing in a waiting room anticipating the birth of His Son.
Then the Father beget His eternally existent Son from within Him and says “let there be light.”
This is the light that the Son is and brings from the Father to our realm.
This light is separated from the darkness…kingdoms are set up, one for the Son which is a kingdom of Light and another for that which opposes the Light which would be the kingdom of darkness (which is empty till satan stands against God). The angels are created after the Son is begotten before day two. Day two comes and the Son brings the 'legos' into form…God the Father says what to do and God the Son does it for the rest of creation. When Genesis says that 'God said' I picture that as the Father speaking to the Son…and when it says 'and God made…'I picture that as the Son's response by making all things visible and invisible by His own power and wisdom according to the will of His Father. Day three is when the foundation of the earth is laid and the angels shouted for joy…the waters were separated and dry land appeared. In Prov 8 it mentions that wisdom was beside God as the foundation was measured out and that happened when the waters were commanded to come only so far and no more.

Prov 8:29When He set for the sea its boundary
So that the water would not transgress His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth;

30Then I was beside Him, as a master workman;

This is what I have come to understand after reading scripture. It is my educated guess. You asked me to explain my view.

Kathi

February 8, 2012 at 5:58 am#276465

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Nick,
Emmanuel was Jesus, the Begotten God made flesh dwelling with us since His conception and birth from Mary.

February 8, 2012 at 6:24 am#276468

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Hi K,
“God was in him reconciling the world to Himself”
Was he in himself??

February 8, 2012 at 7:08 am#276469

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Hi LU,
You would know your Lord if you were one with him.
Why do you speak of the beloved as you would if he was a neighbour?

February 8, 2012 at 7:12 am#276470

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Kathi

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Think about it though, if the Son did all the work and the Father just supplied the materials,

why do you think THE WORD ;SON did all the work you do not know so you assume,yes.

Pierre

Pierre,
You asked:

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why do you think THE WORD ;SON did all the work

you do not know so you assume,yes.

Jesus was not a created thing but a begotten/born Son.

Prov 8:29When He set for the sea its boundary
So that the water would not transgress His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth;

30Then I was beside Him, as a master workman;

This is what I have come to understand after reading scripture. It is my educated guess. You asked me to explain my view.

Kathi

Now in your explanation how many scriptures did you declared a lie

I would say may be five or ten or more ,so like told you before you have your own bible version,

This must be as you say YOUR EDUCATION,true common honest believers with no education just humble in heart FOLLOW THE SCRIPTURES AS GOD MADE THEM?

Pierre

February 8, 2012 at 8:46 pm#276537

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Nick,
I don't.

February 8, 2012 at 8:46 pm#276539

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Pierre,
None.

February 8, 2012 at 8:47 pm#276540

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Nick,
All the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him.

February 9, 2012 at 1:23 am#276616

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Hi LU,
What is a godhead??

February 9, 2012 at 5:40 am#276678

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Nick,
Having the fullness of the Godhead would be to have the full makeup of God.

February 9, 2012 at 6:12 am#276689

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Hi LU,
Yes for us we have one God the Father.
What about His makeup??

February 9, 2012 at 6:23 am#276691

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 09 2012,22:40)

Nick,
Having the fullness of the Godhead would be to have the full makeup of God.

Kathi

I did not know that God is not a single being but a make being,we're it says this in scriptures ?

Is made with two heads or one ? This is not a joke,

I just want to see til what point your folly will make you go,

Pierre

February 9, 2012 at 6:55 am#276702

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Nick,
Both contain the fullness of the Godhead.

February 9, 2012 at 6:56 am#276703

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Pierre,
What is Godhead?

February 9, 2012 at 7:35 am#276707

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Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 09 2012,23:56)

Pierre,
What is Godhead?

Kathy

I don't know it is not in my bible ,you must be the only one who find it in your bible

Pierre

February 9, 2012 at 7:56 am#276713

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Pierre,
Maybe you are just unaware.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

American King James Version
For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

American Standard Version
for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,

Douay-Rheims Bible
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally;

Darby Bible Translation
For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily;

English Revised Version
for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,

Webster's Bible Translation
For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

Weymouth New Testament
For it is in Christ that the fulness of God's nature dwells embodied, and in Him you are made complete,

World English Bible
For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily,

Young's Literal Translation
because in him doth tabernacle all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,

February 9, 2012 at 8:04 am#276716