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Hi davidl,
Your theological queries have no merit if you know Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Keep it simple.
I have kept it very simple..
You cannot have the Father without the Son or the Spirit..
The Three are One in Unity – (Tri-Unity)
As revealed in Scripture.
Hi davidl,
You were invited in join in that unity and Jesus prayed that you would in Jn 17.
But that would not make you a god too would it?
Hi davidl,
As you said the trinity theory was not in scripture but DEVELOPED to counter heresy.
Why not drop it as it is so faulty?
DavidL,
“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”It is known that this song was sung to human kings when they were married. It applies to Jesus because he is the Son of Man and symbolizes his marriage to the church.
Therefore, this psalm would be used by many kings who would be wed to their bride. But it looked forward to the day when the Messiah would come and establish his throne. We will spend the rest of the study looking at the psalm again, now looking at it with the context of the Messiah.
My source is the West Palm Beach Church of Christ. The Churches of Christ I know are Trinitarian but I did not find where this church stands on that issue.
The Hebrews of that time period had several different methods of interpretation and one was to use a passage to a situation even though in its original context it does not. Matthew used this method when he quoted “out of Egypt I called my Son” to refer to Jesus being called up from Egypt when in its original context it is speaking of the nation of Israel being called out of Egypt.
We have been taught to reject the Jewish religion and so rejected much of the history of the Church. That makes the job of the deceiver easier.
David,
There is no tri-unity mentioned in Scripture. There is just the unity of Spirit and the unity of Faith and they are two different names for same unity. There in no unity of essence mention as that is just an invention of men.
Hi davidl,
You want us to accept that you adding to scripture is the right thing to do.
Rev 22 advises against that idea
We fear God.
DavidL,
Philippians 2:6English Standard Version (ESV)
6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
You have no support here as the original word is better translated to form or shape which is a synonym of image.
This is an example we Christians are to follow as the new self is made in the form of God and as a result will not consider equality to God a thing to be grasped. Did you forget Jesus’ instruction to follow him?
Davidl,
The Holy Spirit is part of God and cannot be amputated. God existed with Jesus Christ for many ages. Jesus Christ was not made of a woman and under the Law for God but he was made for mankind.
I know that Trinitarian nonsense insists conceive means a different thing when applied to Jesus than when applied to every other human in Scripture because they say so. They are humans and therefore not creditable.
Hi Davidl,
Having given Jesus his own deity status and not mentioning you third god
you now want us to accept amalgamation of them into a committee god?
DavidL and others.
Wikipedia:Depiction of JesusFrom the middle of the 4th century, after Christianity was legalized by the Edict of Milan in 313, and gained Imperial favour, there was a new range of images of Christ the King,[37] using either of the two physical types described above, but adopting the costume and often the poses of Imperial iconography. These developed into the various forms of Christ in Majesty. Some scholars reject the connection between the political events and developments in iconography, seeing the change as a purely theological one, resulting from the shift of the concept and title of Pantocrator (“Ruler of all”) from God the Father (still not portrayed in art) to Christ, which was a development of the same period, perhaps led by Athanasius of Alexandria (d. 373).
DavidL. You have elevated a developed doctrine over the Word of God. This doctrine has become the filter by which scripture passes to your mind and heart.
Can you have the Father without the Son or the Holy Spirit..?
Did the disciples have the spirit when they walked with Jesus Christ?
I am not denying the importance of the Spirit of God, but do pose this question to you.
Yes we come to God through his son. And yes we are one with God by his spirit.
I have kept it very simple..
You cannot have the Father without the Son or the Spirit..
The Three are One in Unity – (Tri-Unity)
As revealed in Scripture.Put it another way.
You cannot have God without his son.
This is true, but you would have to deny that because the one true God is not exclusively the Father to you.
How come you do not say God and his son. You prefer the Father. Is it because you do not believe that the Father is exclusively the one true God. I would say yes, that is the reason.
t8,
Can you have the Father without the Son.
Yes because Jesus Christ was not “made of a woman” until the Age of Christ and yet God existed.
No because the only way to God is through Jesus Christ.
But can humans have God without the son. Not that God exists without the son.
Yes humans can have God because God willed it that the son would come into the world at the right time.
If he was not going to rescue man, then no, no one could have God throughout history.
t8
I know you desperately keep trying to put words in my mouth..
and align my beliefs with your own misconceptions of Catholic creeds..
(in an effort to make your ideas seem more palpable)..But the difference is – you must fight to preserve your own doctrines..
while I simply stand for truth..
which always wins in the end.The Trinity does not make God Son of Himself as you vainly try to construe..
Trinity simply means (if you break the word down) Tri-Unity..
The Unity of Three – which is a simple self-evident reality..You cannot have the Father without the Son or the Holy Spirit..
THE THREE ARE ONE IN UNITY..!!!
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