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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 11 2009,03:01) Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 03 2009,14:34) 1Jo 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. Though I find your desire for unity a good thing, I think your view is very wrong.
I feel like what your saying is that God would rather have us be ignorant and blind to His word, not studying it and testing all things, proving all things, for the sake that it would be better for us all to 'get along'. We should all just have a watered down or superficial understanding of Jesus and God's plan, because it would be better for us to 'get along?'.
I believe God wants us to build a personal relationship with Him through reading the bible and thinking with the brain He gave us on what it says. I believe God wants us to SEARCH for truth, and if we think we've come to understand it, continue to test it with others.
I don't think that God would rather have some of us believing lies, in order for all of us to be able to 'get along'.
Hi JodiSo in other words we all have to perfectly agree before we can endevour to keep the unity of the Spirit?
WJ
If we all perfectly agreed we wouldn't need to endeavor. Unity would just happen.thinker
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 11 2009,03:06) there will be differasnces i believe at least the basics sould be the same
Hi JN,
There are glaring divisions and mutual hatreds.
The fruit is of their father.They share a need to have human control.
Jesus will not know them.Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 11 2009,02:56) so stu do you discredit the bible?
The bible is historical fiction. Jerusalem is real; giants, angels, a global flood and talking snakes are not.Stuart
stu I understand your thoughts but then if not real then y so many people get changed fromreadingit ?
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 12 2009,03:05) stu I understand your thoughts but then if not real then y so many people get changed fromreadingit ?
Indeed that is a fascinating question.Humans are designers, so they see design everywhere, even where none exists. We have a hard time understanding how complexity can arise without forethought, or we simply can't be bothered with learning how it happened, so ideas of divine creation and control appeal, even though those prejudices would seem to be completely misplaced. Biological complexity is completely explained without a need for any designers. The comfort that comes from having a story to explain how you came to be here must be a powerful motive to believe, even though the Judeo-christian story is a mythical one.
Freud thought gods replaced fathers, or more generally that divine beings became parent substitutes, which some humans seem to need. Perhaps they are changed or even comforted by finding a way to revert to being a child in some sense. We are naturally inclined to follow leaders, and when those leaders are spouting religious doctrines we will feel happier conforming to that even if the doctrines are nonsense. Just look to North Korea for the most obvious example.
Some people get themselves into such a state in their lives (I would say driven by genetics as a primary reason) that ANY change is better than none. Even a change to believing silly things! Of course that is not an endoresement of the truth of christian claims, just that humans are social animals and there is support available by joining groups.
In short the 'appeal to a higher authority' has evolutionary advantages that we are programmed to feel comforted by. I think though, that you will find there are many who are changed for the better by deconverting, by taking on a fresh view of the world that is not clouded by the gods they used to carry in their heads.
Stuart
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 12 2009,10:55) stu huh?
You asked how people are changed by readling 'it', which I took to mean the bible. Is that not what you were asking?The cause of change in those who convert or believe is the same as that in people who don't. It is just that believers are disposed to giving the credit to their belief system, because it tells them they should.
Stuart
I did mean bible I ca see what u mean its like if a person turns from doing somthing bad to doing somthing good?
My turn to say huh?
If you mean that becoming christian is a good thing then I disagree strongly.
Stuart
Christianity requires you to believe silly things. Talking snakes, people walking again after death etc.
Christianity tells you there is something wrong with you, for which IT has the cure. There never was anything wrong with you to start with.
The cure christianity has in mind is in the form of a human sacrifice, which you MUST accept on pain of eternal punishment.
These are not good things, in my opinion. Of course there are more points to be made too.
I say love the christian but oppose the christian delusion that makes him say silly things.
Stuart
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 14 2009,09:34) stu do you think christians are wrong?
It depends what they say. If they say that they believe Jesus really existed and that he taught kindness and forgiveness, then I think they are right.If on the other hand they say that Jesus was without sin yet hypocritically refused to cast the first stone himself, and that actually Saul of Tarsus was right, that Jesus would have condemned homosexuals and adulterers to death, then I think they are wrong.
Stuart
Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 14 2009,23:10) stu disagrees with christians
That will come as no surprise to most here!As you probably know there are 34,000+ denominations/sects of christianity, so it is also true that just about every christian disagrees with christians too!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 14 2009,07:33) Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 14 2009,23:10) stu disagrees with christians
That will come as no surprise to most here!As you probably know there are 34,000+ denominations/sects of christianity, so it is also true that just about every christian disagrees with christians too!
Stuart
STUYea, and there are 22,356 Atheist who disagree too!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 15 2009,10:53) Quote (Stu @ July 14 2009,07:33) Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 14 2009,23:10) stu disagrees with christians
That will come as no surprise to most here!As you probably know there are 34,000+ denominations/sects of christianity, so it is also true that just about every christian disagrees with christians too!
Stuart
STUYea, and there are 22,356 Atheist who disagree too!
WJ
Atheism says only one thing, and all atheists agree on it.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ July 14 2009,19:52) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 15 2009,10:53) Quote (Stu @ July 14 2009,07:33) Quote (Jesus name follower of Christ @ July 14 2009,23:10) stu disagrees with christians
That will come as no surprise to most here!As you probably know there are 34,000+ denominations/sects of christianity, so it is also true that just about every christian disagrees with christians too!
Stuart
STUYea, and there are 22,356 Atheist who disagree too!
WJ
Atheism says only one thing, and all atheists agree on it.Stuart
Hi STUYou missed my point. You didnt question where I got my number.
The point being where does the number for denominations come from? Or is it just some made up number to make a point!
WJ
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