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Hi Jodi,
Peter was as yet a carnal man and troubled by inner adversaries.
Even Paul was still battling sin in the flesh[Rom7]Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 01 2010,20:45) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 01 2010,16:41) Quote (Jodi Lee @ July 01 2010,01:15) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 01 2010,05:35) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 29 2010,01:21) SimplyForgiven, John 8:43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
So who is this speaking of?
I don't think it's a reach to say Cain. He was in fact the first person who we see murder in the bible, and with that murder he did not stand in the truth but he lied to God about it.
1 John 3:12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous.
John 8 speaks of this murderer and liar doing so from his own resources, and we see in 1 John 3 that Cain murdered because he himself was evil.
Jodi,Your awefully trying hard to make Cain the fathers of lies when it clearly says the devil,
making any other assertion is called speculating.
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.devil means slanderer, or liar, it is not a NAME of a person!
Cain was a liar and a murderer. He was the first murderer we see in the bible. Cain murdered because he was evil, the slanderer in John 8 was a liar from his own resources.
I will ask you again, if not Cain then WHO?
Just as Peter was a Satan, Cain was a Devil!!
That doesnt make any sense jodi,Its stating it to be a name,
ITS used as a name.than it is a name.
just like the serpent SAID.
In many cases.anyways
Peter was never presented as SATAN or THE DEVIL. what he did was influenced by Satan.
the same that happen with Jesus while he was being tempted.
this saying what we believe isnt going anywhere.
lets start with a scripture, and only talk about scripture and nothing else.
Only state what scripture states.
You are obviously just too indoctrinated to see…..devil is NOT a NAME it's a WORD that MEANS SLANDERER.So you believe that every time you see in scripture the word Satan it represents just ONE person, the SAME person every time?….and when you see the word Devil it represents the same one person, therefore the same person goes by two names?
If I wrote a book about the Jews and Hitler and instead of using Hitler's name I substituted it with adversary, you wouldn't be able to understand that the word adversary was representative of the MAN Hitler? The devil in Revelation 2 is a clear representation of the emperor that was persecuting the early Christians. This emperor was following after the desires of his own heart, for evil comes from within, as Jesus and James teaches us.
So who is this devil to you Simplyforgiven?
Your comment about Peter and Satan shines the light in just how indoctrinated with false mainstream Christian beliefs, you are.
Matthew 16:23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.“
YLT-
23 and he having turned, said to Peter, `Get thee behind me, adversary! thou art a stumbling-block to me, for thou dost not mind the things of God, but the things of men.'Jesus was accusing Peter of being an adversary because he was having in mind the things of MEN.
To say that Jesus is saying that Peter was being influenced by some other being is just pure denial of the clear text.
before accusing me,
you should understand that im stating that it is used to name an intellect.
A particular intellect.
Our names are words to describe something believe it or not.
Its a word that is being used as a name.anyways,
umm no, Jesus always refers to the very same intellect.
Your hitler comment has nothing to do with bible.
its funny how you are so blunt, to call what i state false.
you have no humiliy dont you,its amazing i can since the hate in you.
I since the disgust you have.So where do you want to start with Matthew 16?
put your speculation aside for once and discuss only scripture
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 02 2010,08:15) So where do you want to start with Matthew 16? put your speculation aside for once and discuss only scripture
And for doing exactly this, Dennison accuses me of “starting over”!
Did you figure out you were wrong, Dennison, and you now want to begin again?
Of course that is not the case, you just want clarity on ONE POINT before moving on to all the other speculation that is built on that ONE POINT that you happen to disagree with.
And is that in some way wrong? WJ seems to think so, and you seemed to agree with him. But now the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 29 2010,14:59) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 29 2010,07:25) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,08:43) Hi Jodi,
Satan means adversary and the adversary is one of them.
His rule is different from God's as he works through adversaries
His adversary spirits enter men and dwell in them making them unclean.
Hi Nick,It is God who makes, the deaf, dumb, blind, mad, diseased. No other being has such powers, to say otherwise IMO is to create a false god.
Hi Jodi,Who put Job in such misery? Who had his family wiped out? God?
Who matched some of the miracles God performed through Moses? The Pharaoh's “magic practicing priests” made their stick turn into a snake, made frogs appear out of nowhere, etc.
Who were these “unclean spirits” that Jesus expelled from many people? And how did they know he was the Son of God when many humans were unclear about that? Who was Legion that went into the pigs?
Who was Azazel that received a sacrifice in the desert from the Israelites at God's command?
Just some thoughts.
peace and love,
mike
Bump for JodiQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 03 2010,22:42) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 02 2010,08:15) So where do you want to start with Matthew 16? put your speculation aside for once and discuss only scripture
And for doing exactly this, Dennison accuses me of “starting over”!
Did you figure out you were wrong, Dennison, and you now want to begin again?
Of course that is not the case, you just want clarity on ONE POINT before moving on to all the other speculation that is built on that ONE POINT that you happen to disagree with.
And is that in some way wrong? WJ seems to think so, and you seemed to agree with him. But now the shoe is on the other foot, so to speak.
peace and love,
mike
No mike,the big differense is that we are getting no where expressing ideas.
she doesnt refute anything i say, only picks and pulls on scriputre.
im starting to see this getting no where.
so the only hope is to discuss scripture.
and only scripture.
you pretend to have amnesia big diffrense
Hi Jodi,
I have one more for you. I would have mentioned it earlier, but sometimes I have amnesia.
22Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebub,[d] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Who is Beelzebub? Whoever he is, Jesus thinks he is the same as Satan, and he is called the “prince of the demons”.
mike
Jodi Lee, maybe your folly is in the paradoxical understanding of the bible?
Many believe Satan is real sentient being.
Many like you, believe he is the description OF a sentient being.
One seems to contradict the other, but paradoxically they are both correct.
Satan is a real conscious being. Yet he is also a spirit the all sentient beings experience.
The same way God is a real conscious sentient being, yet can also be a spirit (holy ghost) that men can experience.
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So don't limit yourself to one side, when the answer is BOTH.
The whole purpose of the evil people in revelations is to ressurect satan.
If he wasn't a being, then why waste time ressurection him? When they can just BECOME him, by being and doing everything evil.
If Satan was a mere spirit (non-conscious or sentient) and it was something that we all experience.
Then how do you account for satan appearing to God and convincing him to harm Job?
Do you dare say Satan, an evil, sinful experience a sentient being undergoes…is powerful enough to influence YHVH himself?
Absolutely not, the only explaination is if Satan were an actual being, speaking to YHVH, asking him if he can harm Job so that Job's faith in God can be tested.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2010,01:23) Hi Jodi, I have one more for you. I would have mentioned it earlier, but sometimes I have amnesia.
22Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebub,[d] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Who is Beelzebub? Whoever he is, Jesus thinks he is the same as Satan, and he is called the “prince of the demons”.
mike
Beelzebub–2 Kings 1:16 Then he said to him, “Thus says the Lord: 'Because you have sent messengers to inquire of Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron, is it because there is no God in Israel to inquire of His word? Therefore you shall not come down from the bed to which you have gone up, but you shall surely die.' “
Beelzebub is the FASLE god of Ekron. False meaning a god that DOES NOT exist, a work of man’s imagination, who CANNOT walk, talk, and who most certainly has NO powers.
Jeremiah 10:8 But they are altogether dull-hearted and foolish; A wooden idol is a worthless doctrine. 9 Silver is beaten into plates; It is brought from Tarshish, And gold from Uphaz, The work of the craftsman And of the hands of the metalsmith; Blue and purple are their clothing; They are all the work of skillful men. 10 But the Lord is the true God; He is the living God and the everlasting King. At His wrath the earth will tremble, And the nations will not be able to endure His indignation. 11 Thus you shall say to them: “The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under these heavens.” 12 He has made the earth by His power, He has established the world by His wisdom, And has stretched out the heavens at His discretion. 13 When He utters His voice, There is a multitude of waters in the heavens: “And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for the rain, He brings the wind out of His treasuries.” 14 Everyone is dull-hearted, without knowledge; Every metalsmith is put to shame by an image; For his molded image is falsehood, And there is no breath in them.
Isaiah 45:6-7 “That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting that there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I the Lord do all these things.”
Exodus 4:11 “So the Lord said to him,” Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I the Lord?”
Deut 30: 19,” ….I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing;”
Deut 28:28 The Lord will strike you with madness and blindness and confusion of heart.
Scripture is clear as to where cursing comes from, cursing such as pestilence, famine, diseases of the mind and body, defeat in war, earthquakes, etc……they COME from YHWH. God said HE would curse Israel if they disobeyed, as well He said He would curse nations against Israel.
This is very simple, YHWH made Himself known to the Israelites, He did no such thing to the other nations, and these nations were left to their OWN imaginations to explain such things as creation, blessing and cursing. When these nations received cursing they blamed false gods and false evil spirits. The Adversary, or in Hebrew the SATAN, who was actually inflicting them with unclean spirits was YHWH.
Matthew 12:24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
The Pharisees believed in the power of the false god of Ekron and that god’s false evil spirits.
Plain and simple, the Pharisees were whores, they gave YHWH’s powers that He ALONE possesses and gave them over to a false god Beelzebub, and his false demons (evil spirits). They did exactly what God predicted, they would go astray believing false doctrines and false gods.
YHWH has the power to bless and curse, to inflict and heal. YHWH ALONE brings darkness and calamity. Those that Jesus healed that were inflicted by demons (evil spirits) had been inflicted by the HAND of YHWH and His Messengers!! The demon possessed as they were called, were blind, deaf, mute and mad….EXACTLY the curses YHWH said He would bring upon people and their descendants. By the Spirit of God they were healed, just as by the Spirit of God they were inflicted!!
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Deuteronomy 28:27 `Jehovah doth smite thee with the ulcer of Egypt, and with emerods, and with scurvy, and with itch, of which thou art not able to be healed. 28 `Jehovah doth smite thee with madness, and with blindness, and with astonishment of heart; 29 and thou hast been gropling at noon, as the blind gropeth in darkness; and thou dost not cause thy ways to prosper; and thou hast been only oppressed and plundered all the days, and there is no saviour………45 `And come upon thee have all these curses, and they have pursued thee, and overtaken thee, till thou art destroyed, because thou hast not hearkened to the voice of Jehovah thy God, to keep His commands, and His statutes, which he hath commanded thee; 46 and they have been on thee for a sign and for a wonder, also on thy seed — to the age.
Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return to the Lord; For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
Micah 7:18 Who is a God like You, Pardoning iniquity And passing over the transgression of the remnant of His heritage? He does not retain His anger forever, Because He delights in mercy.
Mike,
Jesus does not denote the demons as coming from the false god Beelzebub. Jesus does not believe in false gods. God said that He would inflict, and He also said that He would give mercy. Jesus was given the Spirit of God to give that mercy.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 01 2010,05:35) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 29 2010,01:21) SimplyForgiven, John 8:43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
So who is this speaking of?
I don't think it's a reach to say Cain. He was in fact the first person who we see murder in the bible, and with that murder he did not stand in the truth but he lied to God about it.
1 John 3:12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous.
John 8 speaks of this murderer and liar doing so from his own resources, and we see in 1 John 3 that Cain murdered because he himself was evil.
Jodi,Your awefully trying hard to make Cain the fathers of lies when it clearly says the devil,
making any other assertion is called speculating.
devil is a Greek word for liar or slanderer, it is NOT a proper name of a person.Strong's Number: 1228
Original WordWord Origin
diavboloßfrom (1225)
Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
Diabolos2:72,150
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
dee-ab'-ol-os Adjective
Definition1. prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely
1. a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,
2. metaph. applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with himKing James Word Usage – Total: 38
devil 35, false accuser 2, slanderer 144 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do . He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
you are of your father the slanderer
SimplyForgiven, you did not answer my question, who is the SLANDERER?
WHO was a liar and a murderer in the beginning?
Notice how the scripture tells us that the person is like the father, speaking of his own.
Quote (Jodi Lee @ Sep. 17 2010,12:00) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 01 2010,05:35) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 29 2010,01:21) SimplyForgiven, John 8:43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
So who is this speaking of?
I don't think it's a reach to say Cain. He was in fact the first person who we see murder in the bible, and with that murder he did not stand in the truth but he lied to God about it.
1 John 3:12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous.
John 8 speaks of this murderer and liar doing so from his own resources, and we see in 1 John 3 that Cain murdered because he himself was evil.
Jodi,Your awefully trying hard to make Cain the fathers of lies when it clearly says the devil,
making any other assertion is called speculating.
devil is a Greek word for liar or slanderer, it is NOT a proper name of a person.Strong's Number: 1228
Original WordWord Origin
diavboloßfrom (1225)
Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
Diabolos2:72,150
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
dee-ab'-ol-os Adjective
Definition1. prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely
1. a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,
2. metaph. applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with himKing James Word Usage – Total: 38
devil 35, false accuser 2, slanderer 144 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do . He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
you are of your father the slanderer
SimplyForgiven, you did not answer my question, who is the SLANDERER?
WHO was a liar and a murderer in the beginning?
Notice how the scripture tells us that the person is like the father, speaking of his own.
jodiwhy is it people just do not read there bible properly?
the snake or the one behind it was the first liar and deceiver,
and of men it was Adam he commit suicide is it not ?;scriptures say THE DAY YOU EAT OF THE TREE YOU WILL DIE,
SO Adam killed all of us who are born of him.
if it was not for Gods love and grace we would be without hope.Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Sep. 17 2010,08:00) Quote (Jodi Lee @ Sep. 17 2010,12:00) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 01 2010,05:35) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 29 2010,01:21) SimplyForgiven, John 8:43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
So who is this speaking of?
I don't think it's a reach to say Cain. He was in fact the first person who we see murder in the bible, and with that murder he did not stand in the truth but he lied to God about it.
1 John 3:12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous.
John 8 speaks of this murderer and liar doing so from his own resources, and we see in 1 John 3 that Cain murdered because he himself was evil.
Jodi,Your awefully trying hard to make Cain the fathers of lies when it clearly says the devil,
making any other assertion is called speculating.
devil is a Greek word for liar or slanderer, it is NOT a proper name of a person.Strong's Number: 1228
Original WordWord Origin
diavboloßfrom (1225)
Transliterated WordTDNT Entry
Diabolos2:72,150
Phonetic SpellingParts of Speech
dee-ab'-ol-os Adjective
Definition1. prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely
1. a calumniator, false accuser, slanderer,
2. metaph. applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with himKing James Word Usage – Total: 38
devil 35, false accuser 2, slanderer 144 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do . He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
you are of your father the slanderer
SimplyForgiven, you did not answer my question, who is the SLANDERER?
WHO was a liar and a murderer in the beginning?
Notice how the scripture tells us that the person is like the father, speaking of his own.
jodiwhy is it people just do not read there bible properly?
the snake or the one behind it was the first liar and deceiver,
and of men it was Adam he commit suicide is it not ?;scriptures say THE DAY YOU EAT OF THE TREE YOU WILL DIE,
SO Adam killed all of us who are born of him.
if it was not for Gods love and grace we would be without hope.Pierre
Hi terraricca,I believe that scripture reveals that the serpent in the Garden of Eden represents man's carnal nature. When Cain murdered his brother and then lied to God he was acting like a beast. Cain was not being manipulated, possessed or influenced by a fallen angel. Cain’s wickedness was his very own, and God had warned him that sin was lying at his door and that he needed to rule over it.
Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves.
1 John 3:12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous.
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it
Mark7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Genesis 8:21 And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
The SERPENT is a quintessential example of a creature with carnal nature that lacks all understanding of God, and solely behaves according to it’s own fleshly desires or instincts.
We see that the serpent in Genesis is punished to slither on it's belly and lick the dust of the earth. As well, the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman are put at enmity with each other by God.We have several examples in the bible of MAN being likened to serpents and various other beasts. This one in particular comes to mind-
Micah 7:17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent; They shall crawl from their holes like snakes of the earth. They shall be afraid of the Lord our God, And shall fear because of You.
Cain was the FIRST of the serpent seed, the seed of a creature ruled by his carnal nature, the first man born into the world of sin and death and the slavery that came along with it. God gave man instincts to survive and fight off death, making man to naturally serve himself, and thus creating the enmity between the serpent’s seed and the woman’s seed…… the seed of carnal nature and the seed of the Spirit of YHWH.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Hebrews 2:
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.Terraricca,
It is the carnal mind that has power over death, and thus it is the carnal mind that is man’s great adversary or rather saw-tawn in Hebrew. By a child’s own nature he is a devil. Have you ever tried to reason with a toddler. Do children lie because they are being influenced, manipulated or possessed by fallen angels? No, they do so out of their ignorance and their own nature. The devil in the New Testament is a title given to any man who walks according to his flesh, just like that of a serpent who slithers according to his.
The Kings in Revelation are referred to as a Great Dragon because they represent a huge force of carnal nature trying to wreak havoc.
Judges 5:19 “The kings came and fought, Then the kings of Canaan fought In Taanach, by the waters of Megiddo; They took no spoils of silver. 20 They fought from the heavens; The stars from their courses fought against Sisera. 21 The torrent of Kishon swept them away, That ancient torrent, the torrent of Kishon. O my soul, march on in strength! 22 Then the horses' hooves pounded, The galloping, galloping of his steeds. 23 'Curse Meroz,' said the angel of the Lord, 'Curse its inhabitants bitterly, Because they did not come to the help of the Lord, To the help of the Lord against the mighty.'
The Kings made war and fell from heaven, meaning they fell from their high position. The Kings were called a dragon because they were serving their carnal nature, just as other beasts that know not God do. The great dragon and his messengers were not fallen angels literally fighting in God's righteous abode and then being kicked out.
The great dragon was called the serpent of old, the slanderer, the adversary because the kings who made up the dragon were under the influence of that which God had established in the beginning, the carnal mind.
Jodi…………..Good to see you back posting sis, hope everything is going good for you and yours. I agree with you posts on Satan and Devils, there is a huge misconception concerning this subject IMO.
peace and love to you and yours Jodi……………………….gene
Shimmer…………………That was a good article posted by the Rabbi, i also agree with it. The Lord our GOD is the (ONLY) one in control of (ALL) things. There is no real Satan being who is in competition with GOD. Exercising his own Power over people and their lives at his own will, jumping in and out of people and taking them over at will. The word Satan as Jodi said simply means Adversary, it is this advererial Spirit working in the childern of disobedience that is controls this present world, it works through the power of the air , through speech and the media through movies and the lusts in man and his pride. This is the Spirit (INTELLECT) of the Adversary that works in the childern of disobedience spoken of. Cain was the First (BORN) Human to sin, and i believe that mark belongs on him He was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning of the human race the first born in the earth of mankind. That was who Jesus was mentioning when he said you Father was a murder and liar and he did not abide in the truth, because the truth was not (IN) Him. That is the general state of all mankind, they do not have the truth (IN) them and they are liars and thieves and murders and everything in between. Jesus was not referencing some Mysterious Being but Cain The FIRST SON OF MAN, who murdered his brother. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Sep. 19 2010,02:14) Shimmer…………………That was a good article posted by the Rabbi, i also agree with it. The Lord our GOD is the (ONLY) one in control of (ALL) things. There is no real Satan being who is in competition with GOD. Exercising his own Power over people and their lives at his own will, jumping in and out of people and taking them over at will. The word Satan as Jodi said simply means Adversary, it is this advererial Spirit working in the childern of disobedience that is controls this present world, it works through the power of the air , through speech and the media through movies and the lusts in man and his pride. This is the Spirit (INTELLECT) of the Adversary that works in the childern of disobedience spoken of. Cain was the First (BORN) Human to sin, and i believe that mark belongs on him He was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning of the human race the first born in the earth of mankind. That was who Jesus was mentioning when he said you Father was a murder and liar and he did not abide in the truth, because the truth was not (IN) Him. That is the general state of all mankind, they do not have the truth (IN) them and they are liars and thieves and murders and everything in between. Jesus was not referencing some Mysterious Being but Cain The FIRST SON OF MAN, who murdered his brother. IMO peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Hi, Gene,I started reading Job not long ago, things seem different than what I was taught (you know, the usual teachings..a powerful being that you have to fear…however, fear nothing but God, and there is no fear in love, fear doing wrong, fear being without Gods love but the closer you are to God, there is no fear)…The church also teach eternal hell torment which goes right against love, which God is,
“And in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrine rules made by men.”
Shimmer ……………..> MYSTERY RELIGION has infected most all Christendom this is why so much confusion exists today. The ideology of a SATAN being or demon god in competition with GOD is just part it , and people who recieve this kind of thinking into them have all kinds of Phobias of Ghosts and demons going around jumping in and out of people controlling their lives, these fears and Phobias are indeed the plagues mentioned in REV. Remember we are told to come out of Her false teachings, the we recieve not of Her plagues. These plagues are plagues of the mind and causes mental anguish in people. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene
Gene,
We are you trying to mislead the innocent?Satan is a real person who is the 'Father of the lie' and right now you are his 'Son'.
Unless you can substantiate your claim, which you can't, then you should not post this misleading concept.
I have noticed that your posts are getting ever more desparate, lacking credibility and becoming wayward. It seems you have sold your soul to 'him' while trying to 'disprove' Jesus' preExistence, which is clearly shown in Scriptures.
Only one whom would seek to deny Scriptures would need to 'sell his soul for cheap, unsubstantial' answers.When you are presented with Scriptural truth, you simply dismiss it or cloud it in nonesense. It is as well that JustAskin did not engage in the debate against you that you had with Mikeboll.
Beware that I don't 'talk to you' over your misleading Shimmer, et al.
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