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I thick where we deffer is Jesus being God in nature and being exactly like GOD the Father in Ever WAy.
Hi boh,
No. Not at all. But more than faith is required to follow Jesus.
Heb 6
” 1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3And this will we do, if God permit.
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.”
Quote (Becauce of Him @ Feb. 13 2007,02:12) I thick where we deffer is Jesus being God in nature and being exactly like GOD the Father in Ever WAy.
Hi boh,
You cannot have both.
Either he is our only God or he is like that God.I know we do not have the same Jesus but we both think we have. we both have a Spirit in us but only One is Gods.
I can see Jesus all though out the bible now. and it seem to me you can only see Him in the book of Peter and some of the khow teatament. I have taken the same position on Jesus like you and never Know Him as God even when the bible clearly call Him God and At the same time says their is only One True God. All Other are Fales gods. God does not Know eny othere God Like Him Not One. That where I have the Problem because Jesus is just like Him in everthing He does.God says he well not share his Glory with another and yet He share it with Jesus. God does not lie and nether did Jesus and Nether does the word of God The bible.
So God Bless You.Hi boh,
And men do teach other Jesus's and they destroy the simplicity of the gospel.2Cor 11
1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
There is only one God we worship the God of Jesus. Worshiping others as gods does not change their nature and make them God but you should do what Jesus told the woman at the well to do and follow him. He worshiped the Father.
As one who thinks that Jesus is not God, but rather the son of God, and who has repeatedly been challenged by other Christians who embrace the Trinity doctrine, I value a site dedicated to the coherent discussion of this topic. Unfortunately, while the main pages (original Trinity discussion) are excellent in this regard, the discussion forum has deteriorated. It would be great if the site moderators could re-create a forum for an orderly and productive discussion of what is an unfortunate but nonetheless real point of division amongst modern Christians.
Many thanks,
HankHi and welcome Hank,
There are plenty of such threads and we look forward to your sensible contributions.Nick I was looking at how their is one God and One Lord I was kind of following what you where saying tell i got to Revelation 11:15-17
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded. And there were great voices in Heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ. And He will reign forever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the twenty-four elders sitting before God on their thrones, fell on their faces and worshiped God,
Rev 11:17 saying, We thank You, O Lord God Almighty, who are, and who was, and who is coming, because You took Your great power and reigned.
In verse 15 it say our Lord and His Christ and He One well rain forever.
verse 17 says O Lord God. Is this Jesus are Lord or is this God.
please explane I am asking because I am trying to see your side and I dont kmow how it fits like you see it.Hi boh,
Jesus is the Christ of God.John 20:31
but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.Acts 2:36
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ–this Jesus whom you crucified.”Acts 3:18
“But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.God is in Christ.
Go rules through Christ.I understand that that the kingdomof the world has become our Lord Jesus Kingdom and His Christ That must Be God The Father.
Then It say He rein forever and ever Is that Jesus that Reign or The Father!
Then Verse !7 say WE give Thanks to The Lord God THe Almighty. Is THis Jesus Because HE is OUR LORD or IS this GodPlease explane Revelation to Me in How you divide them I am be humble hear not trying to spare with you.
Hear I am searching for real and you will not share with me.You are the same as all the rest that claim they know how Jesus is.
Well because of you not shareing with me. I have been reading it and all I can say is Jesus is God and God is Jesus. They are One and and sumetime they are two Person. sents God is Spirit He can indwell Jesus 100% and be God and God can be Spirit at the same time and Be God. I know Jesus indells us and the Spirit indwels us and God the Father indwels us. And all at on time in the Bible Have said they are God. In act the Holy Spirit said He Bought the Church with His Owen Blood I did not know Spirit had Blood. I allmost started believeing your side Tell I picked up the Word and Then Pray to God the Father and His Son and had fellowship with both of them though the Spirit.
Quote (Becauce of Him @ Feb. 13 2007,19:29) I understand that that the kingdomof the world has become our Lord Jesus Kingdom and His Christ That must Be God The Father.
Then It say He rein forever and ever Is that Jesus that Reign or The Father!
Then Verse !7 say WE give Thanks to The Lord God THe Almighty. Is THis Jesus Because HE is OUR LORD or IS this God
Hi boh,
1Cor 15
” 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. “
God rules forever.
Christ rules for God and with those in him till order is restored.
Then the king gives the kingdom back to God
Of that kingdom there shall be no end.Daniel 6:26
I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.Quote (Becauce of Him @ Feb. 13 2007,19:59) Well because of you not shareing with me. I have been reading it and all I can say is Jesus is God and God is Jesus. They are One and and sumetime they are two Person. sents God is Spirit He can indwell Jesus 100% and be God and God can be Spirit at the same time and Be God. I know Jesus indells us and the Spirit indwels us and God the Father indwels us. And all at on time in the Bible Have said they are God. In act the Holy Spirit said He Bought the Church with His Owen Blood I did not know Spirit had Blood. I allmost started believeing your side Tell I picked up the Word and Then Pray to God the Father and His Son and had fellowship with both of them though the Spirit.
Hi boh,
2cor 3
17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
God is in Christ and in us AS the Spirit.
God is ONE
The SPIRIT is ONEHi,
W asks this in another thread
“1. Is Jesus God/Deity?”What does this mean?
Does it mean the Son is also a deity?
Does it mean all gods are , by definition, deity?
Are there three deities in God, and if so where are they shown?
In which way can a being be a deity and not another god?
Trinitarianism is polytheism
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