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Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2010,13:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,13:01) Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2010,12:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:24) Your funny, so is there something wrong with the number 666?
Muslims who follow the quran call it 666. (Rev.13:18)
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Follow it how?
Like you do.
Why do they call it 666?Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,15:36) Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2010,13:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,13:01) Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2010,12:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:24) Your funny, so is there something wrong with the number 666?
Muslims who follow the quran call it 666. (Rev.13:18)
.
Follow it how?
Like you do.
Why do they call it 666?
Hi BD,
Double click on the moving image
Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,01:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,15:36) Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2010,13:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,13:01) Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2010,12:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:24) Your funny, so is there something wrong with the number 666?
Muslims who follow the quran call it 666. (Rev.13:18)
.
Follow it how?
Like you do.
Why do they call it 666?
Hi BD, Double click on the moving image
616 (“six hundred and sixteen”, or “six sixteen” in American English) is believed by some Christians to have been the original Number of the Beast in the Book of Revelation in the Christian Bible.[citation needed] Different early versions of the Book of Revelation gave different numbers, and 666 had been widely accepted as the original number. In 2005, however, a fragment of papyrus 115 was revealed, containing the earliest known version of that part of the Book of Revelation discussing the Number of the Beast. It gave the number as 616, suggesting that this may have been the original.[1]Dr. Paul Lewes in his book, A Key to Christian Origins (1932) wrote:
“The figure 616 is given in one of the two best manuscripts, C (Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus, Paris), by the Latin version of Tyconius (DCXVI, ed. Souter in the Journal of Theology, SE, April 1913), and by an ancient Armenian version (ed. Conybaere, 1907). Irenaeus knew about it [the 616 reading], but did not adopt it (Haer. v.30,3), Jerome adopted it (De Monogramm., ed. Dom G Morin in the Rev. Benedictine, 1903). It is probably original. The number 666 has been substituted for 616 either by analogy with 888, the [Greek] number of Jesus (Deissmann), or because it is a triangular number, the sum of the first 36 numbers (1+2+3+4+5+6…+36 = 666)”.
So Follow a number how?
In Kabbalistic Judaism the number 666 represents the creation and perfection of the world. The world was created in 6 days, and there are 6 cardinal directions (North, South, East, West, Up, Down). 6 is also the numerical value of one of the letters of God's name.[66]
here is one more to your liking
Walid Shoebat believes the number 666 may have been a representation of crossed swords, a symbol of Islam, and the Arabic word “Bismillah”, meaning “In the name of Allah”. At the time Arabic writing did not exist and may have confused scribes copying symbols from the texts. The New Testament was written in Koine Greek and scribes not knowing that the symbols were from a different language may have interpreted them as being from the Greek alphabet in the form of χξϛʹ meaning 666. Shoebat goes on to say that wearing the Islamic badge of servitude will lead a follower in to eternal damnation.[72][73]
There are also hundreds of more of these GUESSES
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,02:26) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,01:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,15:36) Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2010,13:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,13:01) Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2010,12:41) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 17 2010,12:24) Your funny, so is there something wrong with the number 666?
Muslims who follow the quran call it 666. (Rev.13:18)
.
Follow it how?
Like you do.
Why do they call it 666?
Hi BD, Double click on the moving image
616 (“six hundred and sixteen”, or “six sixteen” in American English) is believed by some Christians to have been the original Number of the Beast in the Book of Revelation in the Christian Bible.[citation needed] Different early versions of the Book of Revelation gave different numbers, and 666 had been widely accepted as the original number. In 2005, however, a fragment of papyrus 115 was revealed, containing the earliest known version of that part of the Book of Revelation discussing the Number of the Beast. It gave the number as 616, suggesting that this may have been the original.[1]Dr. Paul Lewes in his book, A Key to Christian Origins (1932) wrote:
“The figure 616 is given in one of the two best manuscripts, C (Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus, Paris), by the Latin version of Tyconius (DCXVI, ed. Souter in the Journal of Theology, SE, April 1913), and by an ancient Armenian version (ed. Conybaere, 1907). Irenaeus knew about it [the 616 reading], but did not adopt it (Haer. v.30,3), Jerome adopted it (De Monogramm., ed. Dom G Morin in the Rev. Benedictine, 1903). It is probably original. The number 666 has been substituted for 616 either by analogy with 888, the [Greek] number of Jesus (Deissmann), or because it is a triangular number, the sum of the first 36 numbers (1+2+3+4+5+6…+36 = 666)”.
So Follow a number how?
In Kabbalistic Judaism the number 666 represents the creation and perfection of the world. The world was created in 6 days, and there are 6 cardinal directions (North, South, East, West, Up, Down). 6 is also the numerical value of one of the letters of God's name.[66]
here is one more to your liking
Walid Shoebat believes the number 666 may have been a representation of crossed swords, a symbol of Islam, and the Arabic word “Bismillah”, meaning “In the name of Allah”. At the time Arabic writing did not exist and may have confused scribes copying symbols from the texts. The New Testament was written in Koine Greek and scribes not knowing that the symbols were from a different language may have interpreted them as being from the Greek alphabet in the form of χξϛʹ meaning 666. Shoebat goes on to say that wearing the Islamic badge of servitude will lead a follower in to eternal damnation.[72][73]
There are also hundreds of more of these GUESSES
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 17 2010,15:58) THIS IS BESIDES THE POINT, THIS IS ANOTHER DISTRACTION
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,07:35) You brought it up and now you can't explain yourself.
Hi BD,Rev.13:16 says calculate 666.
Why would you want me to comment on 616;
because it is another distraction away from truth!The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit..
Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,13:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,07:35) You brought it up and now you can't explain yourself.
Hi BD,Rev.13:16 says calculate 666.
Why would you want me to comment on 616;
because it is another distraction away from truth!The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit..
Does it say it's the name of a book?Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,15:02) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,13:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,07:35) You brought it up and now you can't explain yourself.
Hi BD,Rev.13:16 says calculate 666.
Why would you want me to comment on 616;
because it is another distraction away from truth!The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit..
Does it say it's the name of a book?
Devout Muslims say: the quran is 666!
Don't you believe them?Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,15:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,15:02) Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2010,13:44) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,07:35) You brought it up and now you can't explain yourself.
Hi BD,Rev.13:16 says calculate 666.
Why would you want me to comment on 616;
because it is another distraction away from truth!The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit..
Does it say it's the name of a book?
Devout Muslims say: the quran is 666!
Don't you believe them?
Most Muslims have never even heard of this so once again you are lying but even if they did say it how would that apply to its usage in the Bible?The Quran is not a man nor does it represent a man
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,18:09) The Quran is not a man nor does it represent a man
Hi BD,It represents the teachings of men. (Mark 8:31-33)
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Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2010,04:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,18:09) The Quran is not a man nor does it represent a man
Hi BD,It represents the teachings of men. (Mark 8:31-33)
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Is that what 666 represents the teachings of men? Are you going to rewrite revelations now?The Quran doesn't even represent teachings of men, you should read it sometime instead of making false accusations against it which is by the way A SIN
THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS and yet you have committed this sin often on this issue because you don't even know what is in the Quran and yet make false statements about it.
Also you have profaned the name of God and although you did out of ignorance it still was an unintentional SIN
You're a very active SINNER
Hi BD,
Mark 8:31-33 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things,
and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after
three days rise again. And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to
rebuke him. But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter,
saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men..
bodhitharta: I would like some information on your belief in the origination of sin. You strike me as a deep thinker and student of the truth of God. There was no sin in the garden of eden. Or no mention of the word sin. When Adam chose to believe/partake in both good/God and evil/anti-god it was a choice with a warning of consequences. Not a sin/error. Sin was not mentioned until the forth Chap. of Gen. What Adam chose was not a sin! It seems to me that after Adam believed in good and evil, which split God in his mind from good only to good and evil to choose from. After their choice when Adam and Eve first felt fear they attempted to hide from God which shows that they felt they had done something against God.That feeling didn't come from God. It came from the consequences of the choice. From the point of them leaving the Garden and birthing two sons who were out working the fields had to be somewhere around fifteen years before the word sin was ever spoken. Sin appears to be an error of thought that Adam created in his mind that he believed happend to him when he accepted evil. He never ask forgiveness from God. He just believed God was angry at him. He believed he was separated from God as thing got tough. He wasn't separated in truth, yet he believed his own created illusion of sin separated him from God. God is everywhere so separation is impossible. Yet the illusion/belief one is separated by an error/sin causes a form of separation. Whatsoever a man believeth in his heart so he is. To me the original sin of man was a mistaken belief that something could be done that could separate man from God. They had no laws or rules to obey or abide by. No action could be considered a sin or error. It was all choices of what to do and what to believe. There was nothing wrong to do! I would like your opinion. Thank you, TK
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2010,07:40) Also you have profaned the name of God and although you did out of ignorance it still was an unintentional SIN
What absurd religious fantasy story could find any ethical content in the concept of 'unintentional SIN'?Isn't that an oxymoron?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ June 24 2010,16:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2010,07:40) Also you have profaned the name of God and although you did out of ignorance it still was an unintentional SIN
What absurd religious fantasy story could find any ethical content in the concept of 'unintentional SIN'?Isn't that an oxymoron?
Stuart
Haha, that was too funny,Props Stuart
Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 24 2010,21:35) bodhitharta: I would like some information on your belief in the origination of sin. You strike me as a deep thinker and student of the truth of God. There was no sin in the garden of eden. Or no mention of the word sin. When Adam chose to believe/partake in both good/God and evil/anti-god it was a choice with a warning of consequences. Not a sin/error. Sin was not mentioned until the forth Chap. of Gen. What Adam chose was not a sin! It seems to me that after Adam believed in good and evil, which split God in his mind from good only to good and evil to choose from. After their choice when Adam and Eve first felt fear they attempted to hide from God which shows that they felt they had done something against God.That feeling didn't come from God. It came from the consequences of the choice. From the point of them leaving the Garden and birthing two sons who were out working the fields had to be somewhere around fifteen years before the word sin was ever spoken. Sin appears to be an error of thought that Adam created in his mind that he believed happend to him when he accepted evil. He never ask forgiveness from God. He just believed God was angry at him. He believed he was separated from God as thing got tough. He wasn't separated in truth, yet he believed his own created illusion of sin separated him from God. God is everywhere so separation is impossible. Yet the illusion/belief one is separated by an error/sin causes a form of separation. Whatsoever a man believeth in his heart so he is. To me the original sin of man was a mistaken belief that something could be done that could separate man from God. They had no laws or rules to obey or abide by. No action could be considered a sin or error. It was all choices of what to do and what to believe. There was nothing wrong to do! I would like your opinion. Thank you, TK
I would have to agree partly with you and what is know in the Quran, in The Quran it is explained that after the event in the Garden God inspired Adam of how to repent and Adam did repent. Now after Adam and his wife had repented at that point they had the knowledge to teach their children the consequences of doing good or evil in other words in the Quran Adam is the first prophet and taught his children what was required of them therefore Sin was first mentioned to Cain.If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Genesis 4:6-8Here is also more details of the event in the garden as detailed by the Quran
Sura #2
35 We said: “O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression.”
36 Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said: “Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood – for a time.”
37 Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.The most beautiful part of this was the fact that I had always wondered why Adam did not die in the day he ate the fruit and so, of course I would speculate like many others thinking “a day is like a thousand years” and God just had him die defore a thousand years but that never really made sense because in Genesis God is very clear about evening and morning being a day especially according to the understanding that Adam had of what a day was, so to find out that God taught Adam how to repent and Adam repented and was forgiven brought tears to my eyes.
Would it have been fair if Adam had no chance to repent because he didn't even know what sin was? Of course not!!! God is Merciful and Just
Quote (Stu @ June 24 2010,22:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2010,07:40) Also you have profaned the name of God and although you did out of ignorance it still was an unintentional SIN
What absurd religious fantasy story could find any ethical content in the concept of 'unintentional SIN'?Isn't that an oxymoron?
Stuart
You must read your Bible it is written in the LAW of MosesLeviticus 4
1 Now the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘If a person sins unintentionally against any of the commandments of the LORD in anything which ought not to be done, and does any of them, 3 if the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, then let him offer to the LORD for his sin which he has sinned a young bull without blemish as a sin offering.
I can give you at least 10 or more scriptures if you need them but yes a person can sin unintentionally just like Adam did
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 19 2010,07:40) Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2010,04:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 18 2010,18:09) The Quran is not a man nor does it represent a man
Hi BD,It represents the teachings of men. (Mark 8:31-33)
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Is that what 666 represents the teachings of men? Are you going to rewrite revelations now?The Quran doesn't even represent teachings of men, you should read it sometime instead of making false accusations against it which is by the way A SIN
THOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS and yet you have committed this sin often on this issue because you don't even know what is in the Quran and yet make false statements about it.
Also you have profaned the name of God and although you did out of ignorance it still was an unintentional SIN
You're a very active SINNER
HI BD,What commandments of The LORD do you now 'accuse' me of unintentional breaking?
Ed J
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