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I don’t believe John knew when Jesus appeared before Pontius Pilate
I believe the sixth hour John was referring to was the arrest time of 12:OOAM.
Jesus probably appeared before Pontius Pilate sometime between 7:00AM and 8:00AM.
Put on the cross at 9:00AM and dead by 3:00PM – spending six hours total time on the cross.Hi BD, let me finish while I’m at it.
And after three days and three nights are almost completed
lets say at 5:57AM – and let’s say sunrise is not until 6:30AM.That would mean he rose ON the third day – because the next day doesn’t begin until 6:00PM
But was also in the grave for 3 days AND 3 NIGHTS, because it was at 3:00PM that he died.So he would have rose on the third day AND in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights – WITH NO CONTRADICTION
In either case: HE WAS ALIVE ON DAY FOUR – would you like me to explain
(without using <s>divination</s> <–he he he) why that is important?____________
God bless
Ed JHi BD,
The bible all fits together but it may not be so clear to a non-believer.
In the context of my previous sentence you are a non-believer.For instance how does a slain lamb (in the old Testament)
relate to what is in the new Testament?A muslim would not know the answer to that question,
because islam trys to shield them from the truth.The New Testament is a confirmation of what went before (the Old Testament).
the quran is a corruption of what went before
Never in any circumstance is HUMAN SACRIFICE acceptable to God, God almighty calls it an ABOMINATION and something He would NEVER do nor would it even enter His mind to do. Christians do not believe God when He says that though, just so you know I am not making it up:
Jeremiah 19:5
They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:Jeremiah 32:35
And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.What is so sick is that Christians when showing this they will insist it is because these people are sacrificing their children to false gods but the abomination is that these people are sacrificing their children Period, God calls it an abomination and says this would never come to His mind….so God sacrificed His own son? I would say no based upon God’s own words and the Quran confirming that Jesus was not killed or Crucified but God saved him.
Christians don’t read their Bibles and when you point out CLEAR and CONCISE facts they make the strangest excuses, how can anyone read the 2 witnesses above and walk away with any idea whatsoever that God accepts ANY HUMAN SACRIFICE not only is sacrificing ones own child literally called an ABOMINATION what else does God HATE!
Proverbs 6:16-18King James Version (KJV)
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
God hates those that shed innocent blood and hates innocent blood being shed
Psalm 106:37-38King James Version (KJV)
37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Now, what? will the Christian say that God want’s human sacrifice and innocent blood dedicated to Himself? NOOOOOOOO God is saying that the practice is EVIL, Completely evil but the Christians prefer the way of the Pagan who find offereing the blood of the innocent as some sort of gift to God
Bd, I can see where you are coming from but please remember that not all Christians believe that either. Millions of eastern Christians don’t.
That’s not to say that Jesus wasn’t crucified though.
Hi Miia
If we have an eyewitness and John was always right there then the scripture is incorrect
Mark 14:50 Then everyone deserted him and fled.
So once again who has it right, the last time you went for John because he was an eyewitness but Mark and the prophecy of the old testament says John wasn’t there
Hi Bd,
no, keep reading.
“And they all left him and fled.
And a young man followed him, with nothing but a linen cloth about his body. And they seized him, but he left the linen cloth and ran away naked.”Matches in perfectly with the secret author of what is commonly called John, the eyewitness to all that happened.
Hi BD,
You got a lot of conjecture there.
What would you say if the Israeli Government announced they have “The Ark” of God?
And it was found buried in a cave directly under where Jesus died on the cross.
And that when the earthquake happened during Jesus’ crucifixion a fissure
opened in the cave above the ark and Jesus’ blood dripped onto it.
The blood that was mixed with water recorded in John 19:34.Would you then confess the God of Israel?
Hi BD,
You got a lot of conjecture there.
What would you say if the Israeli Government announced they have “The Ark” of God?
And it was found buried in a cave directly under where Jesus died on the cross.
And that when the earthquake happened during Jesus’ crucifixion a fissure
opened in the cave above the ark and Jesus’ blood dripped onto it.
The blood that was mixed with water recorded in John 19:34.Would you then confess the God of Israel?
I already confess the God of Israel but you seem to believe he is someone who delights in human sacrifice
Hi @Princess
hum, that is a subject that you will have to discuss with one of the Christian faith Bodhitharta. we agree on the subject matter. you have verses to back your view. my inner being would not accept the teaching.
what of animal sacrifice?
animal sacrifice only has a point in the fact it would be an actual sacrifice to kill any animal you own even every time you eat, most sacrifices and offerings went to feed people. God doesn’t need it that is for sure.
Psalm 50:12-14King James Version (KJV)
12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:
Jeremiah 7:21-23King James Version (KJV)
21 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
But the Christian’s entire religion is based on that ONE SINGLE CONCEPT that :God needs a Sacrifice
Hi BD,
(Nahum 1:14-15)
“And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name
be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image:I will make thy grave; for thou art vile. Behold upon the mountains the feet of him
that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts,
perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off.”Hi BD,
Would be so kind as to give us your view of this? If it is OK
with you I would like to explore the implications of this verse._______________
God bless
Ed JHi BD, let me finish while I’m at it.
And after three days and three nights are almost completed
lets say at 5:57AM – and let’s say sunrise is not until 6:30AM.That would mean he rose ON the third day – because the next day doesn’t begin until 6:00PM
But was also in the grave for 3 days AND 3 NIGHTS, because it was at 3:00PM that he died.So he would have rose on the third day AND in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights – WITH NO CONTRADICTION
In either case: HE WAS ALIVE ON DAY FOUR – would you like me to explain
(without using <s>divination</s> <–he he he) why that is important?LOL….sure explain but just remember John is not only saying a different time he is also saying a different day so if he says it was the sixth hour it was the sixth hour of the day he is talking about which is the preparation of the Passover while other verses are talking about the day of Passover and the hours on that day so first you have to determine which day is right the preparation of the Passover day or the day of the Passover because as I said John has Jesus dead before the Last supper because it was the day before in his account
Hi BD,
You got a lot of conjecture there.
What would you say if the Israeli Government announced they have “The Ark” of God?
And it was found buried in a cave directly under where Jesus died on the cross.
And that when the earthquake happened during Jesus’ crucifixion a fissure
opened in the cave above the ark and Jesus’ blood dripped onto it.
The blood that was mixed with water recorded in John 19:34.Would you then confess the God of Israel?
I already confess the God of Israel but you seem to believe he is someone who delights in human sacrifice
Hi BD,
Repeating what you believe over and over like a drumbeat does not make it become true.
Who is this verse referring to…
“Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me” (Psalms 40:7)
…and what book is this verse speaking of?
Psalm 40:7-11English Standard Version (ESV)
7
Then I said, “Behold, I have come;
in the scroll of the book it is written of me:
8
I delight to do your will, O my God;
your law is within my heart.”9
I have told the glad news of deliverance[a]
in the great congregation;
behold, I have not restrained my lips,
as you know, O Lord.
10
I have not hidden your deliverance within my heart;
I have spoken of your faithfulness and your salvation;
I have not concealed your steadfast love and your faithfulness
from the great congregation.11
As for you, O Lord, you will not restrain
your mercy from me;
your steadfast love and your faithfulness will
ever preserve me!In other words God will protect and SAVE Him, notice there is no mention of sacrifice or blood only Mercy,Salvation and Preservation
Nahum 1:14-15)
“And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name
be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image:I will make thy grave; for thou art vile. Behold upon the mountains the feet of him
that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts,
perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off.”It concerns Nineveh and Idol worship, there were many prophecies directed at the evil of Nineveh but Jonah was finally sent to them and they repented as Jesus says:
Luke 11:32
The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.Although Jonah is placed before nahum in the Bible it was actually written later and their final state must have been one of repentance according to Jesus using them as an example of those who repented
Hi BD,
Your arguments are with our God.
He is far more powerful than the dubious one you decided to serve.
Hi BD,
You answered NEITHER of my questions, will you please do so…
Who is this verse referring to…
“Then said I, Lo, ”I” come: in the volume of ”the book” it is written of me” (Psalms 40:7)
…and what book is this verse speaking of?
1. Who?
2. What book?Hi BD,
You answered NEITHER of my questions, will you please do so…
Who is this verse referring to…
“Then said I, Lo, “I” come: in the volume of “the book” it is written of me” (Psalms 40:7)
…and what book is this verse speaking of?
1. Who?
2. What book?It is quoting from a scroll and since it is a psalms it may be david it is talking about
It can’t be Hebrews because Paul is quoting Psalms so it is not the book or scroll itself in other words it doesn’t say “will be written of me” so whatever scroll is considered has to be one already existing at that time
Hi BD,
You answered NEITHER of my questions, will you please do so…
.
Who is this verse referring to…“Then said I, Lo, “I” come: in the volume of “the book” it is written of me” (Psalms 40:7)
…and what book is this verse speaking of?
.
1. Who?
2. What book?It is quoting from a scroll and since it is a psalms it may be david it is talking about
islam is always deceptive huh? Then why were you trying to
apply verse 11 to Jesus if it is not prophetically speaking of him?Shift away from the truth one way and when that fails
shift away from the truth another way – that is the islamic way huh?If what you say is true then why did Jesus say…
“These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses,
and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.” (Luke 24:44)Are you calling Jesus a liar?
islam is always deceptive huh? Then why were you trying to
apply verse 11 to Jesus if it is not prophetically speaking of him?Shift away from the truth one way and when that fails
shift away from the truth another way – that is the islamic way huh?If what you say is true then why did Jesus say…
“These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you,
that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses,
and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.” (Luke 24:44)Are you calling Jesus a liar?
Are you saying that the entire psalms is written about Jesus or just some?
Are you saying that the entire psalms is written about Jesus or just some?
Hi BD,
Look again at psalm 40:7…
Who is this verse referring to…
“Then said I, Lo, “I” come: in the volume of “the book” .[size=15]it is written of me[/size]” (Psalms 40:7)
…and what book is this verse speaking of?1. Who? …………………. Jesus
2. What book? ……….The Bible“Jesus is the spirit of prophecy” (Rev 19:10)
Okay but the psalm says Jesus will be saved
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