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“And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29)This is ISLAM
Hi BD,
Always conveniently leaving out part of the story.
“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered
and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” (John 6:28-29)This means to believe what Jesus said about himself, that he is the Son of God;
so according to that verse (John 6:28-29) you do not work the works of God.islam is antichrist and Muhammad is the false prophet of Revelation.
B’shem
Ed JHi Miia
hi Bd, not everyone believes the same way. eastern churches which number some 300 million plus adherents have a different view of the crucifixion and atonement. please look it up if you are interested. nevertheless, scripture tells us Jesus Christ died and was resurrected from the dead in so many places. you are ignoring a lot of scripture. why don’t you just believe it?
No problem I will believe and convert today just tell me with certainty (1)which day Jesus was crucified was it the day of the Passover or the preparation day before the Passover (2)and what time was it 3:00 or 9:00?
Hio BD,
We have been through your fake promises before.
You told me if I gave the answer to your number riddle,
that I was indeed “Witness” of Joshua 22:34 that “YHVH is God”.(1) John knows when Jesus was arrested because he was with him.
Jesus was was arrested the sixth hour on the day of preparation (12:00 AM)
and was crucified the morning of Passover (14th of Nisson) at 9:00AM in the morning2) Is your second question “at what time of day did he die”? Jesus died the 9th hour (3:00 PM).
3) Jesus hung on the cross for six hours (9:00AM – 3:00PM) and then proclaimed it is “FINISHED”(74) and died.
Welcome to Christianity – wait a minute muslims are allowed to lie – oh well, you may come to the light someday?
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God bless
Ed JIt is the difference between the spoken or written word and the spirit of the word
Hello Kerwin,
What a great sentence. I cannot get accustomed to that thought as being a truth to my heart. to separate them and then bring them back together is the basic principal of triad belief. the spirit is being explained the same, taught.
when the truth is spoken it is heard, when the truth is written it is seen, when it is given it is bound to the heart. all the same to me.
very enjoying, the gentle breeze you brought, thank you Kerwin.
EdJ,
Jesus =74
74 is not the sum of his name in either ASCII or Unicode so I have no idea what system you are using.
Hi Kerwin,
The standard numbering system of an outline. You are familiar with an outline are you not?
Always conveniently leaving out part of the story.
“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered
and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” (John 6:28-29)When does John 5:29 become John 6:28-29? They are two separate ideas
(1) John knows when Jesus was arrested because he was with him.
Jesus was was arrested the sixth hour on the day of preparation (12:00 AM)
and was crucified the morning of Passover (14th of Nisson) at 9:00AM in the morning2) Is your second question “at what time of day did he die”? Jesus died the 9th hour (3:00 PM).
3) Jesus hung on the cross for six hours (9:00AM – 3:00PM) and then proclaimed it is “FINISHED”(74) and died.
Welcome to Christianity – wait a minute muslims are allowed to lie – oh well, you may come to the light someday?
John 19:14-18 King James Version (KJV)
14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
15 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.
16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.
17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.
This all happened the day of preparation according to these verses EDJ notice it was the day of preparation for the Passover he was in front of Pilate at the six hour not just getting arrested
Luke 22:14-18King James Version (KJV)
14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
Here Jesus is with the disciples eating on Passover so how can he be crucified the day before the Passover and then eat the Passover meal the next day?
@EDJ can you not see that in John, Jesus never makes it to the last supperJohn 19:14King James Version (KJV)
14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
Matthew 26:17King James Version (KJV)
17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
Hi BD,
I told you, you don’t have to believe me of course.
Jesus ate with his disciples the day before the passover, and was arrested at 12:00AM.
12:00AM is the sixth hour – as a Jewish day begins at 6:00PM the night before.I believe the time John was referring to is the time on the clock of Jesus’ arrest (the sixth hour).
While Mark’s account refers to time of the Crucifixion according to the Hour of daylight.Thus John’s clock time-line starts at 6:00PM,
while Mark’s clock time-line starts at 6:00AM.Hope this helps,
Ed JThat would put John’s clock 6 hours ahead of Mark’s.
Which is what we find if we read the texts carefully.Ed J,
I do not see the connection though I find ASCII and Unicode systems easy to understand. I believe that the Hebrew alphabet is easy as well since letters correspond to numbers.
I believe that the Hebrew alphabet is easy as well since letters correspond to numbers.
Hi Kerwin,
Letters correspondent to numbers in English as well as in Hebrew;
we call the system ‘an outline’ and letters are easy to convert.I know that you are familiar with the cypher:
A=1, B=2, C=3, …X=24, Y=25, Z=26.____________
God Bless
Ed JBodhitharta,
Here Jesus is with the disciples eating on Passover so how can he be crucified the day before the Passover and then eat the Passover meal the next day?
The Galatians celebrated the Passover on a different day than then the Pharisees. The Sadducees and Samaritans also celebrate a different day as their calendar was different. The Galatians went by the Samaritan Calender.
Hi BD,
I told you, you don’t have to believe me of course.
If you make a claim and prove it that is enough, belief has nothing to do with it
Jesus ate with his disciples the day before the passover, and was arrested at 12:00AM.
12:00AM is the sixth hour – as a Jewish day begins at 6:00PM the night before.John 19
14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
The scripture says he was already on his way to crucifixion so he couldn’t have got arrested and be before Pilate at the sixth hour now consider you are saying Jesus was before Pilate at 12:00AM in the middle of the night which is dark
I believe the time John was referring to is the time on the clock of Jesus’ arrest (the sixth hour).
While Mark’s account refers to time of the Crucifixion according to the Hour of daylight.Thus John’s clock time-line starts at 6:00PM,
while Mark’s clock time-line starts at 6:00AM.Hope this helps,
So John according to you has Jesus being crucified shortly after 12:00 AM in the middle of the night and remain on the cross for 6 hours or even 9 hours it would still be early morning and not fit in with removing Jesus from the cross because it was getting dark.
In Luke Jesus is eating the next day Passover which in John’s timeline doesn’t happen because Jesus is already crucified by that time
Luke 22:15
And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:Ed J
Hi BD,
I don’t believe John knew when Jesus appeared before Pontius Pilate
I believe the sixth hour John was referring to was the arrest time of 12:OOAM.
Jesus probably appeared before Pontius Pilate sometime between 7:00AM and 8:00AM.
Put on the cross at 9:00AM and dead by 3:00PM – spending six hours total time on the cross.____________
God bless
Ed JEd,
I believe the sixth hour John was referring to was the arrest time of 12:OOAM.
John tells us that Jesus meet the Samaritan woman about the sixth hour. Hebrew time would mean it was 6 hours after dusk he met her but that does not fit the context of the story. Roman time means it is 6 hours after midnight. The Roman hour was not standard and so varied with the length of a night and a day. If I am correct then this means they always had 12 hours of night and 12 hours of day and therefore the sixth hour is always dawn and the eighteenth hour is always dusk. I find it unlikely John uses different time systems.
Pilate present Jesus to the Jews at about the sixth hour which and Peter hears the cock crow at about the same time. There is a lot of things that happen about the sixth hour.
No problem I will believe and convert today just tell me with certainty which day Jesus was crucified was it the day of the Passover or the preparation day before the Passover and what time was it 3:00 or 9:00? don’t you think this would have been the most important day in History? How is it those who were charged with writing have no idea?
In Mark 15:25 crucifixion takes place at the third hour (9 a.m.) and Jesus’ death at the ninth hour (3 p.m.). However, in John 19:14 Jesus is still before Pilate at the sixth hour.
John 19:14
And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!Luke 22:15
And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:In Luke Jesus is alive at the time he is being Crucified in John…it might not matter to you, but it goes to show there is no certainty so when the Quran points out what I would have never even paid attention to and you would have not seen it either most likely it proves Prophecy
That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)
Why would this all be not crystal clear unless the Quran is correct. Just tell me is Luke incorrect or John?
hi Bd,
i do not believe the apparent discrepancy proves the Quran to be right.
to be honest I never noticed this before you mentioned it. have not looked into it much as i’m only on my phone atm.
for one, i tend to read and write from Matthew and John more than I ever do Mark and Luke.
if I had to choose between one it would be John because John (the author of John whomever that may be and I don’t believe it is John) was an eyewitness to the crucifixion, in fact he never left his side.
so John has Jesus crucified on the day of preparation before the sabbath, so he was crucified on the friday.
the time difference between them is no problem, because John could have used Roman time and the others Jewish time. please see this http://workmenforchrist.org/Bible/BC_Jesus_Nets.html for more.
the fact is Bd… we have an eye witness account and the backing of other scripture which clearly shows Jesus was crucified, died, and resurrected from the dead. why trust something that came much later, and someone who was not an eyewitness? that’s not very good detective work.
Hi Miia
If we have an eyewitness and John was always right there then the scripture is incorrect
Mark 14:50 Then everyone deserted him and fled.
So once again who has it right, the last time you went for John because he was an eyewitness but Mark and the prophecy of the old testament says John wasn’t there
BD,
which ever text or version you use, is there blood sacrifice? is the spilling of blood of enemies permitted? if so, why? if not, why do you accept blood/sacrifice from the Hebrew text?
Hi Princess
BD,
which ever text or version you use, is there blood sacrifice? is the spilling of blood of enemies permitted? if so, why? if not, why do you accept blood/sacrifice from the Hebrew text?
All fighting in Islam is defensive and if people/nations stop their aggression you are to stop yours against them.
Hi Princess
BD,
which ever text or version you use, is there blood sacrifice? is the spilling of blood of enemies permitted? if so, why? if not, why do you accept blood/sacrifice from the Hebrew text?
never in any circumstance is HUMAN SACRIFICE acceptable to God, God almighty calls it an ABOMINATION and something He would NEVER do nor would it even enter His mind to do. Christians do not believe God when He says that though, just so you know I am not making it up:
Jeremiah 19:5
They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:Jeremiah 32:35
And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.What is so sick is that Christians when showing this they will insist it is because these people are sacrificing their children to false gods but the abomination is that these people are sacrificing their children Period, God calls it an abomination and says this would never come to His mind….so God sacrificed His own son? I would say no based upon God’s own words and the Quran confirming that Jesus was not killed or Crucified but God saved him.
Christians don’t read their Bibles and when you point out CLEAR and CONCISE facts they make the strangest excuses, how can anyone read the 2 witnesses above and walk away with any idea whatsoever that God accepts ANY HUMAN SACRIFICE not only is sacrificing ones own child literally called an ABOMINATION what else does God HATE!
Proverbs 6:16-18King James Version (KJV)
16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
God hates those that shed innocent blood and hates innocent blood being shed
Psalm 106:37-38King James Version (KJV)
37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,
38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Now, what? will the Christian say that God want’s human sacrifice and innocent blood dedicated to Himself? NOOOOOOOO God is saying that the practice is EVIL, Completely evil but the Christians prefer the way of the Pagan who find offereing the blood of the innocent as some sort of gift to God Almighty who does not need such things.
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