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Bodhitharta,
I know you don’t believe how others believe but when you say “he says if I do not go the spirit will not come” I reflect upon Elijah and Elisha who received a double portion of spirit after Elijah was taken up to heaven ALIVE,
You are making more than one point but I am only going to address one. Others seem to get confused about the Spirit and what it does. The Spirit has multiple roles. In the case of prophets, including Elijah and Elisha, it carries them along in order that they speak the Word of God. In also performs a second role of granting gifts for some of the prophets.
Jesus is specifically teaching of the Spirit coming to teach those that receive it. Where before the prophets said “the Lord says” now the Spirit writes the words on the minds of and places it within those that believe. It is the same Spirit but it is doing a different job that it did before Jesus received and lived by it.
Jesus Christ took our punishment: how shall you escape, if you neglect so great salvation?
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name
under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)Matthew 1:21
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”Psalm 62:1
Upon God alone doth my soul rest peacefully; from him is my salvation.Are you saying Psalm 62:1 is not right or are you saying Jesus is God?
Hi Kerwin
You are making more than one point but I am only going to address one. Others seem to get confused about the Spirit and what it does. The Spirit has multiple roles. In the case of prophets, including Elijah and Elisha, it carries them along in order that they speak the Word of God. In also performs a second role of granting gifts for some of the prophets.
This process is still here although rare
Jesus is specifically teaching of the Spirit coming to teach those that receive it. Where before the prophets said “the Lord says” now the Spirit writes the words on the minds of and places it within those that believe. It is the same Spirit but it is doing a different job that it did before Jesus received and lived by it.
I agree it is more available but I would say the same jobs although access to gifts requires a serious level trust and belief in God and while that may sound easy it is very difficult to most especially in modern times
Repentance brings forth forgiveness and baptism with God’s HolySpirit brings forth
life BUT only because of Jesus’ death in our stead, you seem to keep forgetting that.God said sin bringeth forth death, your sin debt must be paid.
You cannot be freed from the debtors prison until it is paid (Matt 5:26).
God’s word stands firm, Jesus said we will be judged by that word in the last day!“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him:
the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” (John 12:48)___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODJesus Christ took our punishment: how shall you escape, if you neglect so great salvation?
“Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name
under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)Matthew 1:21
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”Psalm 62:1
Upon God alone doth my soul rest peacefully; from him is my salvation.Are you saying Psalm 62:1 is not right or are you saying Jesus is God?
Hi BD,
I’m saying what I have clearly said many times, but you have your fingers in your ears keeping form hearing.
“YA’s Salvation” is wrought in Jesus Christ (John 3:16) by his death on a cross.
Jesus is the “Son of God” and you can become a son of God by the spirit of adoption.
The “GOSPEL” of Jesus Christ was thoroughly encoded into the bible thus proving the claim!‘al-Lah’ is a fictitious character –
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God bless
Ed JEd J,
Jesus did not take our punishment because even believers still die the first death and Jesus did not die the second death.
He did suffer the same punishment that is due to the rest of humanity because we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God while he did not deserve those wages.
EDJ,
Jesus Christ took our punishment:
Where is that written?
Kerwin, Kerwin, Kerwin, do we not yet know our bible? (ref. Isaiah 53:4-12)
“he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities:
the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.”“he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter”
“he hath poured out his soul unto death”“he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors”
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODEd J,
Jesus did not take our punishment because even believers still die the first death and Jesus did not die the second death.
He did suffer the same punishment that is due to the rest of humanity because we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God while he did not deserve those wages.
“the rudiments (G4747) shall melt with fervent heat” (2 Peter 3:12)
Mark 5:25 Make friends with thine adverse party quickly, whilst thou art in the way with him; lest some time the adverse party deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Repent quickly before Judgement
Ed J.
I do not see it in Isaiah 53:4-12 and since we still die the first death and he did not die the second I cannot see how he took our punishment upon him.
I do believed he died because sin is in the world and so he suffered our just punishment even though he had not earned the wages of sin.
He died to redeem us from serving sin.
Everyone dies and Everyone is resurrected if the Punishment for all mankind was laid on Jesus all will be saved
but you throw a twist that if you do not believe then you will not be saved which makes no sense because you also claim
that all who have sinned did so automatically from One Man and that One Man brought death and sin into the world whether
a person believes or not, so your theology puts the first man to be far greater than the second.Once you accept the fact that in the tradition of sacrifice it was the sacrifice itself that made atonement it had nothing to do with belief, right?
The sacrifice of the bull or calf was the payment for the sin there is no scripture anywhere that says and the people had to believe in the sacrifice
so your theology falls short drastically unless Jesus being a Sacrifice requires no belief and is full payment in itself just as the full recompense of sin was placed upon all.This is why it is critical to understand that Jesus was not killed or crucified for what gain could it have, especially for nonbelievers and for believers a sacrifice need not be made anyway for he came to call sinners to repentance and not the righteous.
hi Bd, not everyone believes the same way. eastern churches which number some 300 million plus adherents have a different view of the crucifixion and atonement. please look it up if you are interested. nevertheless, scripture tells us Jesus Christ died and was resurrected from the dead in so many places. you are ignoring a lot of scripture. why don’t you just believe it?
Hi Everyone,
Muhammad’s words, BD believes get to abrogate God’s words.
Sad that that he would put so much faith in the false prophet of Revelation.
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God bless
ED JHi BD,
First one must understand that their sin causes them to fall short of the glory of God.
Next one must understand that their sin that caused them to fall short of the glory of God can be remitted.“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward
they that are Christ’s at his coming. Then cometh the end” (1 Cor 15:22-24)“And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29)“Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions,
that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood,
and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil; He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall
be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure. Thine eyes
shall see the king[size=11](74)[/size] in his beauty[size=11](74)[/size]: they shall behold the land that is very far off.” (Isa 33:14-17)Jesus =74
Hi Miia
hi Bd, not everyone believes the same way. eastern churches which number some 300 million plus adherents have a different view of the crucifixion and atonement. please look it up if you are interested. nevertheless, scripture tells us Jesus Christ died and was resurrected from the dead in so many places. you are ignoring a lot of scripture. why don’t you just believe it?
No problem I will believe and convert today just tell me with certainty which day Jesus was crucified was it the day of the Passover or the preparation day before the Passover and what time was it 3:00 or 9:00? don’t you think this would have been the most important day in History? How is it those who were charged with writing have no idea?
In Mark 15:25 crucifixion takes place at the third hour (9 a.m.) and Jesus’ death at the ninth hour (3 p.m.). However, in John 19:14 Jesus is still before Pilate at the sixth hour.
John 19:14
And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!Luke 22:15
And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:In Luke Jesus is alive at the time he is being Crucified in John…it might not matter to you, but it goes to show there is no certainty so when the Quran points out what I would have never even paid attention to and you would have not seen it either most likely it proves Prophecy
That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)
Why would this all be not crystal clear unless the Quran is correct. Just tell me is Luke incorrect or John?
“And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:29)This is ISLAM
Bodhitharta,
I agree it is more available but I would say the same jobs although access to gifts requires a serious level trust and belief in God and while that may sound easy it is very difficult to most especially in modern times
Jeremiah 31:31-34Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: 33 but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Before the new covenant the prophets said “Know the Lord” as they were carried along by the Spirit but now the Spirit does not teach believers with human words but instead it dwells in the inward parts and writes God’s word on the hearts of believers. It is the difference between the spoken or written word and the spirit of the word.
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