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Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 11 2007,04:31) Ken Have a Nice Sabbath. It is a beautiful Day in Ohio, the tree's are all yellow and orange and the leaves are falling. Looking outside and seeing God in all that He has given us to enjoy. Thank Him always. Have a nice Day. My Hubby is taking me out for Dinner, we used to do that a lot in olden times. Now we keep the Sabbath so differently. God has been so good to us. What do you say about the Atheist and Tow. Tow post's all over the place, cant say I like it. Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote Ken You belief in scriptures, so do you understand what first John said and then Col. and Rev. all this scrptures referr to the creation of Jesus.
Your Question if Jesus was in Heaven before. Yes, how else would He be able to create all. The Anges were created by Him too. I do not belief that Christ was an Angel. He is the Son of God, brought forth from God. While the Angels were created by Christ. After that they created the world and Humans. I also believe that God is a creator and Maybe He is not going to stop here, just a thought. But here is my prove about Christ Jesus.
Col 1:15-18
Rev. 3:14
John 1:1
Gen. 1:3 I think were it says ” Let us make Man in our image.
So who is us?
Peace and Love Mrs.
If you dont like what he posts refute him and if you cant maybe you should check where you stand just because he comes through here and ripping u hate it because of it?Sound like to me your foundation will not stand..And if you think I am a Atheist I am far from it..The real beast is Christianity..If you like to debate me on this I am all for it.It is time to put the deceving behind and stop putting your head in a hole.
And as for the Creation of Jesus..There will be a NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH and where did Jesus go after he died? And he went todo what?Theres your Creation of Jesus!! He did not create anything in the past!
Isaiah 2:12
12 For the day of the LORD of hosts
Shall come upon everything proud and lofty,
Upon everything lifted up—
And it shall be brought low—1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.Unisage,
I am in agreement with you that Y'shua is not the creator of heaven and earth, BUT that all was created because of and through Him.As for what ever else you think to be true I don't know what your beliefs are. I know this though, that YHWH or the LORD in the Torah and prophetic writings is the creator YHWH our ELohim, and the Y'shua is the Son of Him.
I can say that with 100% ssurity because I know them.
The end will not come upon me as a theif either. That was written to unbelievers. I am a child of the light, so that the end will not come upon me as a suprise. Most of the world is in a sleep state spiritually though.
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I understand the watch refers to the time a sentry or watchman is at his post during the night. I wonder how long it was? 2 or 4 hours? That may help us grasp the delay of the return of the Messiah King.Lk12
32Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.33Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
34For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
35Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
36And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
37Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.
Hi Steve,
I have transferred the discussion here.Quote [me]
Hi Steve,
Is the reason they flee to the hills because of a flood there?Revelation 12:15
And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.Isaiah 28:2
Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.Jeremiah 47:2
Thus saith the LORD; Behold, waters rise up out of the north, and shall be an overflowing flood, and shall overflow the land, and all that is therein; the city, and them that dwell therein: then the men shall cry, and all the inhabitants of the land shall howlNick;
I believe it is the flood of wickedness from above, satan is cast out of heaven. Those scriptures are good because they clearly show that a spiritual message is intended. There are others which refer to the armies of the north coming against Judea for there failure to repent in Jeremiah.
Hi Steve,
The flood comes from the MOUTH OF THE SERPENT, and Revelation tells us the serpent is satan, so it cannot be as you say, as Satan would be part of what comes from his mouth.Da of the Lord in the Old Testament is talking of the tribulation. When the rapture comes those in Christ will be took up to heaven and those who are not will be left on earth for the tribulation for 7 years than Christ will comev(His 2nd coming) and all whos in heaven with Christ will come down with him. joel speaking on the Day of the Lord joel 2;1 To gather people 2,3,4 Army will devastate Jerusalem 5 God is revealing to Joel, 6,all naitons 7.8.9.10.11 Russia is going to invade Israel. OUr pastor also says In Ezeck 36;37,38,39 Gog and Magog refer to Russia. And also Matthew 24 is connected with Joel. He also says tribulation is world wide.
Also in my notes from bible study I have wrote down for Daniels, i think around chapter 21 The Lords Day is the Rapture. 7 yrs. of wrath and a 1000 years of blessing.
Day of judgment is when Christ will judge all people.
One more here in my notes:Lords day-Sabbath, Day of the Lord- Destruction.and Joel- Gods wrath and to read Isaiah 2;12, 13:6 ezeckiel 13:5 Amos 5:18,20 Obadiah 15, Zack. 14:1,
2Thessal. 2;2, 2peter 3;10 Rev.6:17 1Thessal.15:2 Ive also got wrote down the rapture and ressurection are the same.Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 04 2007,15:51) The Day of the Lord is more than one day. Of course. One day is measured as 1,000 years…no? 
The Creation in The Book of Genesis was many days. Many many thousands of years. ? 
Did Genesis say it was thousands of years, or a literal day?Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 04 2007,16:32) Ah your right. Forgot about Sabbath.
He also stated “EVENING” and “MORNING” was a day, for each of them.Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 06 2007,07:15) John was in the Spirit on the Lord's day. While in the Spirit on the lord's day what did John see? John saw what was to happen on the Great and terrible day of the Lord which could be 1000 years. Humm just a thought
The Lords day here is Judgement day.Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 06 2007,15:36) Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 07 2007,02:15) John was in the Spirit on the Lord's day. While in the Spirit on the lord's day what did John see? John saw what was to happen on the Great and terrible day of the Lord which could be 1000 years. Humm just a thought
Ken Do you really think, that God will punish people for a thousand years? I don't think so. The most punishment that God will put on people will be the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation, when God will open the Pit and all those chained up Demons will be loosed. Then the end will come. But those that are Christ's will go into safety. That is the way I understand Rev.
Peace and Love Mrs.
My spin is during that thousand years are: 1] Saints (alive and resurrected) are in heaven preparing. 2] Sinners (all dead) awaiting the second resurrection for judgement.Quote (acertainchap @ Nov. 06 2007,15:41) Do you understand Revelation as partly symbolic? The sea in Revelation symbolizes politics or the whole world, correct?
Sea – represents restless masses of society, usually unruly and lawless.“The wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.” Isaiah 57:20
“The abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.” Isaiah 60:5
Isaiah is speaking to Israel – spiritual Israel, another name for the heavenly Church, and also natural, fleshly Israel, which will then be the capital of the world, as God's chosen people, repentant and reformed for the sin of crucifying their Messiah.
Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 06 2007,21:41) Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 07 2007,10:36) Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 07 2007,02:15) John was in the Spirit on the Lord's day. While in the Spirit on the lord's day what did John see? John saw what was to happen on the Great and terrible day of the Lord which could be 1000 years. Humm just a thought
Ken Do you really think, that God will punish people for a thousand years? I don't think so. The most punishment that God will put on people will be the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation, when God will open the Pit and all those chained up Demons will be loosed. Then the end will come. But those that are Christ's will go into safety. That is the way I understand Rev.
Peace and Love Mrs.
I don't know MRS. But I'm not thinking of punishment like the lake of fire. I'm thinking more of a “learning” punishment. The correction kind of a punishment. Like a father would give his son.
Like Universalism? No one is actually lost? Is that waht you mean? Just trying to get your perspective?Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 06 2007,21:51) Humm How many years does revelation go through? It's not just a “human” day. The church has seven “eras”. A day like a thousand years. AGAIN! Just a thought
Is John 1:1 speaking of the beginning of everything? OR the beginning of the earth and new creation?
Taken in context isn't John speaking of the beginning of the new creation. The Word became “flesh”?
AGAIN! Just a thought.
That's what I perceive. Good point.Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 18 2009,10:16) Quote (kenrch @ Nov. 06 2007,21:51) Humm How many years does revelation go through? It's not just a “human” day. The church has seven “eras”. A day like a thousand years. AGAIN! Just a thought
Is John 1:1 speaking of the beginning of everything? OR the beginning of the earth and new creation?
Taken in context isn't John speaking of the beginning of the new creation. The Word became “flesh”?
AGAIN! Just a thought.
That's what I perceive. Good point.
Do you think these Gentle men are still here? And it is my posts
as Mrs.IM4Truth. Ken and chap left. Some will say that John 1:1 is the beginning of all. While others say it is the New creation in Christ.
Irene
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