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THE LITTLE HORN IS ALL IN PROPHECY; THERE IS NO NEED TO DOUBT.
TRUST IN THE WORD OF GOD.Daniel 8:7 And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.
ALEXANDER CONQUERED PERSIA.Daniel 8:8 Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
ALEXANDER DIED; AND HIS FOUR GENERALS DIVIDED THE KINGDOM AMONGST THEM SELVES.Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a LITTLE HORN, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
OUT OF ONE OF THEM CAME A LITTLE HORN. THIS IS CRUCIAL TO TAKE NOTE.Daniel 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
THE LITTLE HORN WAXED GREAT,AND STAMPED ON THE TRUTH.Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF GOD.Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
HE TRANSGRESSED AGAINST THE TRUTH. HE IS ANTI GOD.Daniel 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
FROM THE DAILY SACRIFICE TAKEN TO THE SANCTUARY TRODDEN UNDER FOOT = 2390 DAYS, THEN IT WILL BE CLEANSED.(AT THE COMING).Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. Make clean.
Daniel 8:15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.
Daniel 8:16 And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
Daniel 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
Daniel 8:18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
Daniel 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
Daniel 8:20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
Daniel 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Daniel 8:22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
Daniel 8:23 And in the LATTER time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
THIS WOULD BE THE LITTLE HORN. OUT OF ONE OF THEM.Daniel 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
NOT HIS OWN POWER,BECAUSE THE DRAGON GAVE HIM POWER AND HIS SEAT.Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall MAGNIFY HIMSELF in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken WITHOUT HAND.
HE WILL MAKE WAR WITH THE LAMB.Daniel 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
Daniel 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king’s business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.
yeah; even today. Scriptural fact; the little horn will come out of one of them four kingdoms, no where else.
We are under a greek system of government; called democracy.( people rule; therefore we vote for our leader).
The ottoman was not under a democratic system; but a theocratic system. All other previous empires are not democratically ruled.REv 13. The beast is like unto a leopard. The system is greek.Shalom.
wakeupWakeup, the scriptures and commentary you give is good IMO.
However, you failed at the end when you said:
yeah; even today. Scriptural fact; the little horn will come out of one of them four kingdoms, no where else.
We are under a greek system of government; called democracy.( people rule; therefore we vote for our leader).
The ottoman was not under a democratic system; but a theocratic system. All other previous empires are not democratically ruled.REv 13. The beast is like unto a leopard. The system is greek.Your conclusion bears no resemblance to the scriptures and even your commentary.
Yes it is true that Alexander was the horn on the goat who smashed the ram with 2 horns, (Medes and Persians). And the horn itself was broken at his peak and four horns grew from that. His kingdom was split into four parts run by his generals I think. And yes out of one of those kingdoms comes a little horn who is the Antichrist. He comes from one of these four kingdom. Which one?
Daniel 8:24
And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.Then you said:
NOT HIS OWN POWER,BECAUSE THE DRAGON GAVE HIM POWER AND HIS SEAT.So where is Satan’s seat?
Revelation 2:12-13
“And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this: ‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.Where is Pergamum?
In Turkey which is where the capital of the Ottoman Empire ruled. Interestingly enough, it was also the capital of the Roman Empire in its last thousands years too.
Follow the clues Wakeup. Putting unrelated spin on prophecy can only lead to false conclusions. We have thousands of years of history to look back on. Why ignore that?
If the little horn is given Satan’s throne, then Turkey is where he will come. Turkey was the centre of the Islamic Caliphate. Today we see an attempt to restore that Caliphate. Further, antichrists deny the Father and the son, so who is the one who creates a religion based on that? This is one of the main tenets of Islam is it not. “God has no son” is even written on their mosque that sits in the Holy Place. Let the reader understand.
Islamic prophecies are plenty. One of them states that their coming Mahdi will rule from the Dome of the Rock. Sounds like the Abomination of Desolation does it not.
Revelation 2:12-13
“And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this: ‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwellsRevelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
If we go to the next verse we can see, the focus is not where Satan sits, but the abominations they are dwelling in,
which are of Satan.
Therefore they are dwelling in Satan spiritually.Satan is not confined to have a throne in one area.
Satan is the God of this world, and he rules everywhere, in men’s hearts.
Satan’s throne is a spiritual one. His dominion. If we follow him, we are kneeling before his throne so to speak.If Satan was only dwelling in pergamos, then what about the other churches?, why were they contaminated also?
I see it like this,
wherever the truth is, Satan is there to corrupt. He corrupted this church by introducing his false teachings, and making it seem harmless.Satan’s throne is not in Pergamos, (Turkey) as Satan is a spirit. He rules from the air.
It clearly states: “I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you,where Satan dwells…“
So saying that it doesn’t mean what it says is hard for me to accept and honestly I would be a fool to be talked out of it so quickly. While you could say that “where Satan dwells” equals some evil acts, it is hard to justify that with the term, “where Satan’s throne is”. You are basically saying that it is not where Satan’s throne is, even though the scripture says that it is where his throne is. Do you want me to believe the opposite of the text?
Would it be a surprise if such evil things that you mention were done where Satan’s throne is? Further, the last two great empires in the Middle East were headquartered there. A coincidence that the leaders of the last two beastal empires were located in Turkey?
All I see are a lot of excuses why not, when surely if something ticks all the boxes, rather than resist, one should at least look into it and ask “could it be”. Satan’s throne is said to be there, and hello, the last two Middle East empires had their thrones there too.
How can you keep a straight face and say that it is not where Satan’s throne is, even though the text says it and history practically confirms it
At least be open to the possibility because it is to one’s detriment that they become hard of hearing. And if we cannot hear what the spirit says to the Churches and cannot understand the Book of Revelation, then surely a great blessing is missed and a great warning ignored.
If we go to the next verse we can see, the focus is not where Satan sits, but the abominations they are dwelling in,
which are of Satan.
Therefore they are dwelling in Satan spiritually.The focus of the verse is about those Believers that dwell where Satan’s throne is. Plain and simple.
Satan is not confined to have a throne in one area.
Satan is the God of this world, and he rules everywhere, in men’s hearts.
Satan’s throne is a spiritual one. His dominion. If we follow him, we are kneeling before his throne so to speak.Human reasoning here.
If we applied your reasoning to scripture as a whole, then Jesus would not rule from Jerusalem and he would not have a throne. His throne would be purely spiritual and not in any one place in Heaven and Earth. For that matter, the Prince of Persia in the Book of Daniel would not be in Persia either.
Revelation 13:1 And I stood up on the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a LEOPARD, and his feet were as the feet of a BEAR, and his mouth as the mouth of a LION: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
This beast will only have power for 3/half years. No one today can see power and great authority in pergamos; turkey?
Nothing resembling leopard,bear,lion? MIND YOU; HE ONLY HAS 3/HALF YEARS.wakeup
You truly understood satan’s city as a physical place, or city?
Not so; Satan seat is in high places.
Ephesians 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Btw. The ruined temples found in turkey are of greek origin.
wakeup.
You are allowed to not believe scripture and go against it. I don’t recommend it however, but I choose to believe this even though you do not.
“And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this: 13‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.”
And who was speaking?
The one with the two edged sword was speaking.
I cannot force you or anyone to believe his words, but I recommend that you do believe him and listen to the spirit of the churches.
Here is the full text for the Church of Pergamum. Please do not shoot me, the words are not mine, but from the one who has a two edged sword. Please argue with him, not me. I did not speak or write this from my own spirit. I have copied it straight out of scripture.
To the Church in Pergamum
12“To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:
These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword.
13 I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, not even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where Satan lives.
14 Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality.
15 Likewise, you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans.
16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
17 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it.
Please concentrate a little deeper.
“And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this: 13‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed AMONG YOU, where Satan dwells.
Were they dwelling WITH SATAN, OR IN SATAN? THE MEMBERS COULD BE LIVING MILES AWAY FROM THAT CITY.?Is the church found guilty because they are situated at Pergamum? Or is it because of their works are of satan?
So why are the other churches also found imperfect? They are not living in that city Pergamum; are they?wakeup.
Hi T8,
I just did a quick google .. thought this interesting .. My angle is that no matter where Pergamum was geographically, it was unquestionably part of the still thriving Roman empire .. thus the argument over a literal throne or metaphoric throne being there is moot .. because historically .. during that cities time relevance .. scripturally speaking of course, Pergamum is firmly recorded within the historic pages of the Roman Empire .. no Turk takeover till the 14 century .. a long long time in Pergamum’s future yet .. (Pergamum was a Greek city long before joining the Roman Empire)
Now I’m not endorsing any concepts within the article, just the historic angle .. .. interestingly, note where a certain throne from one of the temples ended up .. very interesting .. now it only takes about 8-10 minutes to read .. see what you think ..
The Seat of Satan: Ancient Pergamum
By Gordon Robertson
The 700 Club“To the angel of the church in Pergamum write: ‘I know your works, and where you dwell… where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to my name, and did not deny my faith even in the days in which Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.'” Revelation 2:12
Today, all that’s left of the city of Pergamum, now in modern-day Turkey, are ruins. But when the Apostle John wrote his letter to the church there, it was one of the most influential cities in the Roman Empire.
“Pergamum had a unique status that was different than any other city because it was the political center, says Rick Renner, the author of A Light in the Darkness, a study of the seven churches of Asia Minor. “It was from there that all the rulings were made that affected the whole of Asia Minor.”
The people of Pergamum were inventors and innovators. They perfected a parchment made out of calfskin and built the world’s first psychiatric hospital.
Pergamum was also a well-known center for the arts. The city’s theater seated ten thousand people a night. The acoustics were so good that a whisper on stage could be heard all the way in the top row.
The city’s acropolis rivaled Athens, and its library was the second largest in the ancient world. Its collection was so great that the Roman general Marc Antony presented it as a wedding gift to Cleopatra.
At the end of the first century, Pergamum was a thriving city. So why does the book of Revelation call it the dwelling place of Satan? The answer lies in the ruins of the city’s temples.
“On one side, it was a very beautiful city,” says Renner. “But on the flip side, it was one of the darkest, eeriest cities in the whole Roman Empire.”
The people of Pergamum were known as the “Temple-keepers of Asia.” The city had three temples dedicated to the worship of the Roman emperor, another for the goddess Athena, and the Great Altar of Zeus, the king of the Greek gods. Many scholars believe this altar is the “Throne of Satan” mentioned in the book of Revelation.
“That word ‘throne’ was used in a personal private residence, and it was a chair for the lord of the house, the master of the house,” says Renner. “The very fact that Jesus would use this word means that Satan felt at home there. He sat on a throne there. It was his territory. He was the master of that house.”
The city also had a healing center called the Asklepion, built in honor of Asklepios, the Greek serpent-god. In the first century, this was a cross between a hospital and a health spa, where patients could get everything from a mud bath to a major surgery. Even the emperors came all the way from Rome to be treated here, but this was no ordinary doctor’s visit.
“If you were a terminal patient, you were not allowed to go into the Asklepion,” says Renner. “These Asklepion priests didn’t want anyone hearing that someone had died in the Asklepion. There was a huge sign just above the official entrance to the Asklepion that said, ‘Death is not permitted here.’ So the only way you were going to get in to begin with is if they knew you were going to live.”
Patients entered through an underground tunnel. Then they drank a sedative, and spent the night in the dormitories of the Asklepion, while non-poisonous snakes crawled around them all night. They were told that the serpent-god Asklepios would speak to them in their dreams and give them a diagnosis.
“It was believed that the snakes carried the healing power of Asklepios,” and if a snake slithered across you while you were sleeping at night, that was a divine sign that healing power was coming to you.”
The next morning, the patients told their “dreams” to the priests, who prescribed their treatments. Finally, the patients made clay sculptures of the body parts that needed healing and offered them to Asklepios.
The people of Pergamum worshipped a myriad of Greek and Roman gods, but when Christianity arrived with the belief in just one god, the city’s pagan priests went on the attack and their most famous victim was a man named Antipas.
In the book of Revelation, Jesus called Antipas “my faithful martyr.” He was the bishop of Pergamum, ordained by the Apostle John, and his faith got the attention of the priests of Asklepios.
“He had cast out so many devils that the demons had been complaining to pagans, saying, ‘You’ve got to do something about this Antipas’,” says Renner.
The pagan priests went to the Roman governor and complained that the prayers of Antipas were driving their spirits out of the city and hindering the worship of their gods. As punishment, the governor ordered Antipas to offer a sacrifice of wine and incense to a statue of the Roman emperor and declare that the emperor was “lord and god.”
Antipas refused.
“If you reject the divinity of the emperor, then that is the equivalent of rejecting the city of Rome,” says Renner, “and believers were killed for this.”
Antipas was sentenced to death on the Altar of Zeus. Most of that altar still survives today, and surrounding it are some of the world’s most famous marble friezes. They depict the Gigantomachy, or the battle between the Greek gods and the giants. At the top of the altar was a hollow bronze bull, designed for human sacrifice.
Renner describes the method of execution suffered by Antipas.
“They would take the victim, place him inside the bull, and they would tie him in such a way that his head would go into the head of the bull. Then they would light a huge fire under the bull, and as the fire heated the bronze, the person inside of the bull would slowly begin to roast to death. As the victim would begin to moan and to cry out in pain, his cries would echo through the pipes in the head of the bull so it seemed to make the bull come alive.”
Even in the midst of the flames, the elderly bishop Antipas died praying for his church. The year was AD 92.
A few years later, the Apostle John wrote the Book of Revelation, mentioning the death of Antipas in Pergamum. Today, all that’s left there is the foundation; the Altar of Zeus is more than a thousand miles away.
In the 19th century, German engineers dismantled the altar and took it to Berlin. The so-called “Throne of Satan” went on display in the city’s Pergamon Museum in 1930, just in time to inspire one of the most brutal dictators the world has ever seen.
Interesting huh T8?
It clearly states: “I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you,where Satan dwells…“
So saying that it doesn’t mean what it says is hard for me to accept and honestly I would be a fool to be talked out of it so quickly
No you would not be a fool. This is solid food T8. Anyone could read this passage and come up with your interpretation. You want to understand the solids don’t you? The whole world can read revelations, and not be given understanding, so I am showing you that you are interpreting it wrong which is why I gave my reasons.
Again; I will try to explain another way.
God’s throne is in heaven. This is where he rules from. Yet he says that if we obey him, he will dwell in our hearts.
If he is dwelling in our hearts, then we are dwelling with him spiritually, because we follow his holy laws spiritually, not because of where he is.Same with Satan. We are told that he is the God of this earth. If we obey his laws, then we dwell with him wherever he is, and we know he is of this world, so disobeying God puts us in Satan’s playground, “in the world”, which God calls “Babylon”.
God warns us to come out of Babylon. So come out of the world, because that is where Satan’s throne is.. While you could say that “where Satan dwells” equals some evil acts, it is hard to justify that with the term, “where Satan’s throne is”. You are basically saying that it is not where Satan’s throne is, even though the scripture says that it is where his throne is. Do you want me to believe the opposite of the text?
I am trying to show you to look into it with a spiritual point of view. To see deeper.
Would it be a surprise if such evil things that you mention were done where Satan’s throne is? Further, the last two great empires in the Middle East were headquartered there. A coincidence that the leaders of the last two beastal empires were located in Turkey?
Whilst you admit you are not sure where the beast will emerge from, you keep favouring the Islam point of view. We have given you lots of scriptures to prove that it cannot be an Islamic empire that will be revived, because the Islamic countries will be the “enemies” of the beast (false prophet). So right there, you are going in the wrong direction, and it goes way off from there.
How can you keep a straight face and say that it is not where Satan’s throne is, even though the text says it and history practically confirms it
Because of my reasons I have given you. Look, the only real place Satan has ever wanted to rule from is Jerusalem. This has been his plan the whole way, because this place is chosen by God from the beginning, and he knows it.
Satan is working to make this to come about and will do it through his man, the son of perdition. I would say that Satan would be more likely to dwell with the powerful leaders of the world he is using to make this happen. Britain and the US, are the ones pushing for this new one world order system. It’s their system. It has nothing to do with Turkey, or Iran, or any Muslim nation. In fact they hate the way the West rules, and hate our controlling system, and quite frankly I don’t blame them.No you would not be a fool. This is solid food T8. Anyone could read this passage and come up with your interpretation. You want to understand the solids don’t you? The whole world can read revelations, and not be given understanding, so I am showing you that you are interpreting it wrong which is why I gave my reasons.
I cannot in good conscience ignore that scripture. I believe what it says. To me there are two kinds of Bible students.
- Those who believe what it says and form their beliefs around what is written
- Those who already have a doctrine and then make scripture fit into it. Difficult scriptures are ignored or have their meanings changed to suit.
I do not ever want to belong to group 2. If a scripture is hard to accept, then research it until it is understood.
I have yet to ignore any scripture so far in my life and I am not about to start doing that now. What I believe so far with my faith is the result of accepting all scripture I have read.
To the Church in Pergamum
12 “To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:
These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword. 13 I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, not even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where Satan lives.
Yeshua said it, I believe it.
“And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: The One who has the sharp two-edged sword says this: 13‘I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed AMONG YOU, where Satan dwells.
Were they dwelling WITH SATAN, OR IN SATAN? THE MEMBERS COULD BE LIVING MILES AWAY FROM THAT CITY.?The Church of Pergamum was the Body of Christ dwelling in that locale. In that locale was/is Satan’s throne.
Simple.
I just did a quick google .. thought this interesting .. My angle is that no matter where Pergamum was geographically, it was unquestionably part of the still thriving Roman empire .. thus the argument over a literal throne or metaphoric throne being there is moot .. because historically .. during that cities time relevance .. scripturally speaking of course, Pergamum is firmly recorded within the historic pages of the Roman Empire .. no Turk takeover till the 14 century .. a long long time in Pergamum’s future yet .. (Pergamum was a Greek city long before joining the Roman Empire)
Yes many empires were located around Turkey and as the comment says, Greece and the Eastern Roman Empire. Also add in the next head, the Ottoman Empire, and possibly some of the earlier ones too which I haven’t got time to look into right now. The point is that if Satan’s throne is there, then yes you may indeed find that some empires are ruled from there. That is a sign that his seat is there. Further, if he will give the AntiChrist his authority, don’t be surprised if the man of sin rises in Turkey or is seated there for a time.
Many End-time teachers ignore the east because they are from the West and have a certain feeling of superiority over the east. I often hear statements like: “Turkey is nothing special”, “the Eastern Roman Empire is insignificant in prophecy”, “the Ottoman Empire (that conquered the Roman Empire and ruled for 500 years) is not part of the Beast”, or “Western Europe or the USA are what’s important”. However, that is where these teachers come from. They laugh at any suggestion that the Beast may be something other than the country or countries they belong to.
Do not underestimate how much of prophecy is written about the Middle East. Most prophecy that talks of the world is centred here.
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