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    Berean
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    PROJECT 2025 RUNS AMERICA : SUNDAY LAW

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    https://youtu.be/W7_25EHGACY?si=UMmJ-DoINy_FeQWX

    #947719
    Berean
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    A Prophetic Step Toward Global Religious Unity

     

    Pope Leo XIV received the members of the Joint Committee of the Council of European Bishops’ Conferences (CCEE) and the Conference of European Churches (CEC) on Thursday, November 6, 2025. This was a gathering of Roman Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants as they came together at the Vatican for the signing of a new Ecumenical Charter, which was presented to the Pope.

    For centuries, the Protestant churches of Europe stood as witnesses against the errors of Rome. Yet, in this moment, Protestant and Catholic leaders have signed a “joint statement” affirming a shared mission and “joint witness of Christianity.”

    Vatican News published the following on November 6, 2025:

    •, “Archbishop Grušas reflected on the significance of presenting the updated Charta to Pope Leo and called their time together ‘a blessing.’ ‘It’s not a theological note, but it is a joint statement,’ he clarified, ‘of how we as Christians, both Catholic and the rest of the Christians in Europe, see our joint witness of Christianity.” [1]

    •, “Meanwhile, Archbishop Nikitas likewise reflected on presenting the Charter to the Pope with Archbishop Grušas: ‘It was an honor, a privilege, and a blessing,’ he noted, ‘to be, at this point in history and in time, able to give the Pope a message of hope, showing that we can work together and we can achieve things.” [1]

    •, “It shows,’ the President of the Conference of European Churches marveled, that ‘we’ve come to overcome differences of the past. Those walls of separation have come tumbling down,’ he said, stating, ‘We now work together. We speak the same language, the language of Christ, the language of love.” [1]

    Revelation 13:3 states that “all the world wondered after the beast.” This “wondering” signifies admiration, cooperation, and the gradual surrender to the leadership of the Papacy. Bible prophecy describes a global religious system that unites the nations of the earth under a single moral and spiritual head. This new Ecumenical Charter embodies that very movement—bringing together the major world religions under Rome’s leadership in the name of Christian love and cooperation.

    Revelation 13:3 continues: “And his deadly wound was healed.” The signing of the Ecumenical Charter before the Pope is just another step in that healing process. Every agreement that recognizes Rome’s primacy or moral leadership contributes to restoring the influence that was once broken during the Reformation. Before the mark of the beast can be enforced, there must be a worldwide love, cooperation, and submission to the Papacy. The November 6, 2025 signing of the Ecumenical Charter is a significant shift and unmistakable sign that the religious world is moving toward the fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

    “The world is filled with storm and war and variance. Yet under one head—the papal power—the people will unite to oppose God in the person of His witnesses. This union is cemented by the great apostate” (Last Day Events, p. 131).
    Sources

    [1] https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2025-11/ccee-cec-joint-committee-interview-pope-leo-charta-ecumenica.html

     

    A Prophetic Step Toward Global Religious Unity

    #947736
    Berean
    Participant

    Pope Leo at COP30 Calls for a “New Human-Centered International Financial Architecture” Based on Catholic Social Doctrines

     

    A global plan to transform our world is unfolding, guided by Pope Leo XIV. On November 7, 2025, during the United Nations Climate Conference (COP30) in Belém, Brazil, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican’s Secretary of State, delivered a message on behalf of the Pope. In it, Pope Leo called upon the world’s political and financial leaders to commit to building a new international economic order—one founded on solidarity, ecological conversion, and the common good—three central doctrines of Roman Catholic social teaching. But this was not merely a spiritual appeal. It represents an ambitious political agenda aimed at restructuring global finance and governance according to the Vatican’s vision—one that claims to benefit “everyone.”

    The Holy See Press Office published the following on November 7, 2025:

    • “On behalf of Pope Leo XIV, I extend cordial greetings to all participants in the thirtieth session of the Conference of the Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, and assure you of his closeness, support and encouragement.” [1]

    • “Years ago, Pope Francis signed the Encyclical Letter Laudato Si’, in which he advocated for an ecological conversion that includes everyone, since climate is a common good, belonging to all and meant for all. At the global level, it is a complex system linked to many of the essential conditions for human life.” [1]

    • “Due to their global nature, these challenges endanger the lives of everyone on this planet and therefore require international cooperation and a cohesive and forward-looking multilateralism. which puts the sacredness of life, the God-given dignity of every human being and the common good at its center.” [1]

    • “May all the participants in this COP30, as well as those actively following its work, be inspired to embrace with courage this ecological conversion in thought and actions, bearing in mind the human face of the climate crisis.” [1]

    • “May this ecological conversion inspire the development of a new human-centered international financial architecture that ensures all countries, especially the poorest and those most vulnerable to climate disasters, can reach their full potential and see the dignity of their citizens respected. This architecture should take into account also the link between ecological debt and foreign debt.” [1]

    • “Pope Saint John Paul II emphasized that the ecological crisis is a moral issue and, as such, it reveals the urgent moral need for a new solidarity, especially in relations among the developing nations and those that are highly industrialized … Caring for creation, therefore, becomes an expression of humanity and solidarity.” [1]

    • “May all the participants in this COP30 commit themselves to protecting and caring for the creation entrusted to us by God in order to build a peaceful world.” [1]

    • “I assure you of the prayers of the Holy Father as you make important decisions at this COP30 for the common good and for the future of humankind.” [1]
    Even though Pope Leo XIV promises that this “new human-centered international financial architecture” will be for everyone, it will ultimately consolidate power in the hands of a few. By presenting himself as the savior of economics rather than a shepherd of souls, Pope Leo seeks to reshape the world’s monetary systems and unite the nations under a centralized power modeled after Rome’s long-standing moral authority and papal decrees. The Pope’s plan will not only seek to manage wealth and resources—it will also serve as the enforcement mechanism in determining who can buy or sell during the mark of the beast crisis described in Revelation 13.

    Rome speaks, and the world listens. The Pope commands, and politicians obey. Some yield for political advantage or financial reward, others for the sake of convenience, and still others out of fear of defying the beast of Revelation. Yet, in the end, all will be drawn into the same movement. The Pope of Rome will stand at the head of this international financial architecture, guiding nations and churches alike toward a global order under his leadership. The world’s political and religious powers will fully surrender their sovereignty and allegiance to Rome’s vision of a united world government.

    “And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.👉 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.” Revelation 17:12, 13.

    “The scenes to be enacted in our world are not yet even dreamed of. Satan is at work through human agencies. Those who are making an effort to change the Constitution and secure a law enforcing Sunday observance little realize what will be the result. A crisis is just upon us” (Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 753).
    Sources

    [1] https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiv/en/messages/pont-messages/2025/documents/20251107-messaggio-cop30.html

     

    Pope Leo at COP30 Calls for a “New Human-Centered International Financial Architecture” Based on Catholic Social Doctrines

    #947743
    Berean
    Participant

    Pope Leo XIV Calls on the Jesuits to Promote Global Systemic Change Through Solidarity, the Common Good, and Ecological Conversion

     

    On October 24, 2025, Pope Leo XIV addressed the leading Jesuits in Rome and made a direct appeal to them to take the lead in fulfilling their mission at all levels of society—spiritually, politically, and culturally. The Pope exhorted them to become instruments of reconciliation, to heal the wounds that divide the world, to work for the common good through solidarity, and to promote ecological conversion. Pope Leo emphasized that the Jesuits’ work must not remain confined within the Catholic Church but must extend into the heart of culture itself.

    The Holy See Press Office released the following remarks from Pope Leo XIV’s address to the leading Jesuit superiors from around the world on October 24, 2025:

    • “The Holy Spirit will confirm you in your vocation and help the members of the Society of Jesus to discern new ways of living out your mission in today’s world.” [1]

    • “Today, I repeat: the Church needs you at the frontiers — whether they be geographical, cultural, intellectual or spiritual.” [1]

    • “Today, many suffer exclusion, and many wounds remain unhealed across generations and peoples … we must oppose the globalization of powerlessness with a culture of reconciliation — meeting one another in truth, forgiveness and healing; we must become experts in reconciliation.” [1]

    • “The Church must help guide these developments ethically, defending human dignity and promoting the common good.” [1]

    • “True discipleship requires both denunciation of injustice and the proposal of new models rooted in solidarity and the common good.” [1]

    • “In this regard, your universities, social centers, publications and institutions, like the Jesuit Refugee Service, can be powerful channels to promote systemic change.” [1]

    • “Caring for our common home, responds to a cry that is both human and divine. As Pope Francis affirmed in Laudato Si’ … ecological conversion is deeply spiritual; it is about renewing our relationship with God, with one another and with creation.” [1]

    • “Your mission, dear brothers, is to help the world perceive this newness — to sow hope where despair seems dominant, to bring light where darkness reigns.” [1]

    • “My hope for the Society of Jesus is that you may read the signs of the times with spiritual depth; that you embrace what promotes human dignity and reject what diminishes it; that you be agile, creative, discerning and always in mission.” [1]

    • “May the Lord lead you to the frontiers of today and beyond, renewing the Church and building a Kingdom of justice, love and truth.” [1]

    The Jesuit Order was created in the 16th century with the specific purpose of defending and advancing papal supremacy during the Counter-Reformation—Rome’s response to the Protestant Reformation. Founded by Ignatius of Loyola in 1540, the Jesuits became the Pope’s most loyal soldiers, sworn to absolute obedience to the Pope. Their religious and political mission was to reclaim the territories and hearts that Protestantism had liberated.

    According to Revelation 13 and 17, the papal system—symbolized by the beast—will regain the power and influence it once held before receiving the deadly wound in 1798, when the Pope was taken captive and the Church lost its temporal authority. This prophetic “wound,” inflicted by the hand of civil power, represents the downfall of papal supremacy at the close of the Dark Ages. Yet prophecy declares that this wound would be healed, meaning that Rome’s influence would once again extend across the world.

    Therefore, when Pope Leo XIV summons the Jesuit Order to renew their mission of “reconciliation,” “solidarity,” and “ecological conversion,” we must recognize that this is a call for the Society of Jesus to embrace their original purpose: to restore the spiritual dominion of Rome and to lead the world back into unity under papal authority.

    “The order of the Jesuits was created … it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism, and the re-establishment of the papal supremacy” (Great Controversy, p. 234).

    “The Jesuits rapidly spread themselves over Europe, and wherever they went, there followed a revival of popery” (Great Controversy, p. 235).
    Sources

    [1] https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiv/en/speeches/2025/october/documents/20251024-compagnia-gesu.html

     

    Pope Leo XIV Calls on the Jesuits to Promote Global Systemic Change Through Solidarity, the Common Good, and Ecological Conversion

     

    #947775
    Berean
    Participant

    HOLY FOREVER

    #947792
    Berean
    Participant

    Billboards Announce Pope Leo’s Visit to the Middle East, Declaring Him “The Pope of Peace” to Promote Unity among Christians and Muslims

     

    Hi all

     

    The Pope is scheduled to visit both Turkey and Lebanon to promote Christian unity, deepen dialogue with Islam, and encourage renewed peace efforts in the Middle East. In preparations for the visit, billboards located at the airport and throughout the region feature an image of Pope Leo XIV with the message written in Arabic, “The Pope of Peace.” This visit is highly anticipated, as people are looking to the Pope to bring religious coexistence, peace, and relief to the region after years of tensions.

    Al Arabiya, a leading English-language news source in the Middle East, published the following on November 24, 2025:

    • “Pope Leo XIV embarks on his debut overseas trip Thursday, travelling to Turkey and Lebanon to promote Christian unity and urge peace efforts amid heightened tensions in the Middle East.” [1]

    • “Abdo Abou Kassem, the church’s media coordinator for the visit, said the pope also wishes to ‘reaffirm Lebanon’s role as a model for both East and West’ through an interreligious meeting in downtown Beirut. [1]

    • “In Turkey, Leo will celebrate the 1,700th anniversary of the Council of Nicaea, where the Creed—a foundational declaration of the Christian faith—was written.” [1]

    • “The 325 A.D. meeting in Nicaea predated the schisms that divided Christianity between East and West and the commemoration is an important moment to promote Christian unity. On the shores of Lake Iznik, the current name for Nicaea, the 70-year-old (pope) will join dignitaries from various Orthodox churches.” [1]

    • “The visit to Turkey, a strategic crossroad between East and West, is also aimed at promoting the Church’s dialogue with Islam.” [1]

     

    For centuries, Islam—with its 1.8 billion adherents—has been one of the greatest obstacles to the papacy’s long-standing ambition for global spiritual dominance. The relationship between Rome and the Islamic world has been shaped by deep doctrinal differences, political rivalry, and the lingering memory of the Crusades. Yet Bible prophecy reveals that even this historic barrier will one day collapse. Revelation declares that the beast power—symbolizing the papal system—will ultimately command worldwide admiration and influence:

    “And all the world wondered after the beast.” Revelation 13:3
    This prophecy leaves no exceptions. It predicts a global and all-encompassing influence in which every nation, culture, and religious system, even those historically opposed to Rome, will be drawn into its fold. The Islamic world, once unconquerable by force, is now being influenced by diplomacy, interfaith dialogue, climate cooperation, and appeals for peace and the common good.

    The Papacy’s influence is now reaching into the Muslim world, helping bring different faiths together in ways we’ve never seen before. This is a major shift, showing how Rome is gaining growing influence among Protestants, Orthodox Christians, Jews, Muslims, and others—something that fits directly into the picture of end-time prophecy.

     

    Sources

    [1] https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2025/11/24/pope-leo-heads-to-turkey-lebanon-in-first-overseas-trip-

     

    Billboards Announce Pope Leo’s Visit to the Middle East, Declaring Him “The Pope of Peace” to Promote Unity among Christians and Muslims

    #947806
    Berean
    Participant

    How the Modern Media Is Preparing Society to Embrace Sunday Rest

    Across the world, major media outlets are redefining Sunday as the official day of rest—a day for mental, physical, and emotional well-being. The Times of India, the most-read and largest-circulation English-language newspaper in the world, published an article on November 16, 2025, declaring that Sunday is “the golden opportunity to reset the body and mind.”

    These claims are significant because before any civil authority can successfully mandate Sunday observance, public sentiment must first be shaped to accept it. Society must be conditioned to view Sunday as a necessary day for personal and national health. What is first normalized through the media can later be formalized through policy and ultimately legislated into law.

    The Times of India published the following statements:

    • “Sunday is more than just a day off—it’s a golden opportunity to reset your body and mind, laying the groundwork for a balanced, productive week ahead.” [1]

    • “Using Sunday intentionally to recharge can help prevent that stress from spiraling.” [1]

    • “Begin your Sunday by stepping away from screens.” [1]

    • “Spend time outside to tap into nature’s healing power.” [1]

    • “Use Sunday to nourish both your body and your week aheadby preparing healthy, balanced meals.” [1]

    • “Dedicate at least one uninterrupted hour to self-care … this ritual is a signal to your body and mind that it’s safe to slow down, helping reduce stress and restore calm.” [1]

    • “Use Sunday evening as a transition point to close the week and look ahead.” [1]

    • “End your day with a calming bedtime ritual. Spend a few minutes writing down 3–5 things you’re grateful for or one hopeful thing for the week ahead.” [1]
    Sunday rest is no longer just about religion; it’s about universal human well-being. By presenting Sunday as the key to a stress-free life, the media is creating the powerful narrative that Sunday is necessary for rest. In other words, Sunday becomes the responsible choice, and those who do not adopt it risk being seen as unhealthy, irresponsible, or out of step with society’s well-being. This is precisely the kind of groundwork needed for future Sunday laws—laws that will be justified in the name of public health and the so-called common good.

    The Times of India article emphasized the following points:

    • Use Sunday to recharge.
    • Use Sunday by stepping away from screens.
    • Use Sunday to tap into nature’s healing power.
    • Use Sunday to nourish your body.
    • Use Sunday for self-care.
    • Use Sunday as a transition point.
    • Use Sunday as a calming bedtime ritual.
    • Use Sunday as the day to give thanks.

    These are not random lifestyle tips—they form a deliberate call to establish a consistent pattern across society. The media is assigning Sunday a moral and social value, elevating it as the ideal day for rest, renewal, and responsible living. This is, in effect, the sanctification of Sunday without using religious language. The next step will be calls for Sunday shutdowns to become official public policy.

    When the final crisis arrives, and the call goes forth to enforce Sunday observance—as Revelation 13 forewarns—under the pretext of universal health, world peace, climate stability, and economic prosperity, the groundwork will already be in place. The public will not resist it; they will welcome it, believing it to be the solution to the world’s problems.

    What begins today as simple wellness advice is, in reality, preparing the world for a future religious crisis. What prophecy has declared—the world wondering after the beast—will become a reality in part because the media has already shaped the hearts and minds of millions to view Sunday as the solution to all our problems.

    Sources

    [1] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/de-stress/sunday-health-reset-7-simple-rituals-to-prepare-for-the-work-week/amp_etphotostory/125362062.cms

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    #947812
    Berean
    Participant

     

    Hi all

     

    Most Christians today have been told that the 70th
    week of Daniel 9 is about a future Antichrist after the rapture…

    But the Bible says the exact opposite. 📖

    Daniel’s prophecy speaks of 70 weeks determined for God’s people — a continuous timeline (490 years), not a timeline you slice apart and throw 2,000 years into the future. No angel ever said to insert a gap. Prophecy doesn’t work like that.

    So what IS the 70th week really about?

    👉 The Messiah. Jesus Christ.

    Daniel 9:25 says Messiah the Prince would come after 69 weeks (483 years). That takes us directly to the time of Jesus’ baptism and anointing by the Holy Spirit. That begins the 70th week — the final seven years of the prophecy.

    ✨ In the midst of the week (3½ years later), Daniel 9:27 says He would cause “the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.”
    That’s exactly what happened when Jesus died on the Cross. The temple veil tore from top to bottom — not by human hands — showing that the earthly sacrificial system had met its fulfillment in Christ (Matthew 27:51).

    He confirmed the covenant with many through His ministry and through the apostles who continued preaching to Israel until A.D. 34 — the end of the 70 weeks — when the gospel went fully to the Gentiles (Acts 7–8).

    There’s no Antichrist in the 70th week.
    There’s no secret rapture hidden in Daniel 9.
    There’s only Jesus — the Lamb of God, the Anointed One, the One who came right on time.

    The enemy HATES this prophecy because it proves Jesus is the Messiah — exactly when He came… exactly how He died… exactly as Scripture foretold.

    And that’s why modern prophecy teachers ripped the 70th week away from Jesus and handed it to a future Antichrist. That is the greatest prophetic hijack in Christian history. 🚫🐉

    Don’t let anyone steal Jesus’ week.🕊️ Let prophecy strengthen your faith.
    ⏳ Jesus came right on time before —
    He’ll come right on time again. ✨

    🙏

    #947813
    DesireTruth
    Participant

    The 70th week ended with the destruction of the Temple; read Daniel again, this time without your Jesus goggles and the bias planted in your head.

    (helpful hint: read the translations from the Hebrew verses the corruption of king Jimmy)

    #947814
    Berean
    Participant

    Donald Trump’s Christmas Message: “Religion Is Coming Back Very Strongly”

    When Donald Trump repeatedly says that “religion is coming back” in America, his words should be taken seriously. He is not speculating; he is announcing a deliberate plan. To ignore such repeated statements is to overlook the major shifts in church–state relations taking place today and how religion is reemerging as a public, political, and cultural force—one that will wield greater influence than it has at any point in American history.

    On December 4, 2025, President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump participated in the annual National Christmas Tree Lighting Ceremony in the nation’s capital. During this nationally broadcast event, President Trump made the following statement:

    • “America has stood tall in part because millions of our citizens have heeded that call, and the faith and service of Christians have been essential parts of America’s strength from the very, very beginning. Incredible. We love the Christians. We love all religions. And by the way, religion is coming back to the USA. You see that, very strongly” (Video).
    In previous speeches, Trump has explicitly told religious audiences that, when he regains the presidency, they would have “more power than ever before.” [1] Read together with the Christmas tree lighting remarks, this suggests a promise of expanded political leverage for religious groups, greater influence over legislation and public policy, a stronger voice in education, courts, and public institutions, and the ability to shape national identity and moral standards. In this sense, “religion coming back” does not mean personal spirituality or private worship, but a re-legitimization of religion as a governing force in the nation.

    If President Trump’s words at the 2025 National Christmas Tree Lighting—“religion is coming back to the USA very strongly”—mean that religious liberty will be protected so that churches can preach the gospel freely, encourage a relationship with Jesus Christ, and proclaim truth without harassment or unjust obstacles, then that is good and should be welcomed. But if those words describe something different—if “religion coming back” means a revival of church-and-state union, where political power is used to punish dissent or pressure the public into conformity—then that is actually very concerning.

    A government that protects the free exercise of religion is doing what it is supposed to do, but the moment the state moves from protecting faith to imposing it, that is when the gospel is corrupted, conscience is violated, and the state becomes an agent of tyranny. Revelation 13 describes a power that arises with lamb-like qualities—symbolizing freedom and Christian principles—yet ultimately speaks with the voice of a dragon by enforcing religious observance through civil authority. When political leaders argue that faith is necessary for national survival, the next logical step is to promote that faith through the law.

    Sources

    [1] https://adventmessenger.org/trump-promises-to-grant-christians-unprecedented-political-power-when-americas-revival-begins-on-election-day-2024/

    #947815
    DesireTruth
    Participant

    @Berean,

    Still waiting for an explanation of Rev 1:1,3 and 22:7,12,20 and that “come quickly” phrase the Jesus utters and never did. It’s been 2000 years, and the “church” is still waiting…”come quickly” must mean wait forever. I asked before, what temple is John measuring in Rev 11; if it’s the second temple, the revelation of John was written before its destruction and that is what Revelation is about (as Daniel prophesied) OR it’s the third temple Ezekiel speaks about?

    Except, Ezekiel speaks of the temple when the true Messiah comes and John speaks of a “new Jerusalem”, which one would think would include a new temple, but that doesn’t happen until Rev 21 AND after the 1000 year reign of the Jesus. When exactly does this “42 months of trampling” happen that John speaks of in chapter 11? Christianities explanation makes no sense…so confusing!!! One has to completely ignore and reject what is written in the Tanakh to accept the christian understanding.

    By the way concerning your “article”, when CONgress passes a LAW establishing a religion I may get a little concerned, but to listen to Trump bloviate doesn’t concern me not because he CANNOT dictate and make up laws without CONgress; additionally, in order for the “Rev 13” to be fulfilled, the ENTIRE WORLD WILL HAVE TO DO!!! Wake up!! All you ever focus on is the United States implementing a national religion or “Sunday only worship”; when did the United States represent the entire world!??!

    It sounds like you hate the United States of America since it’s the focus of your continual attacks…and the Pope. What you really need to do is pay attention to your home country as it’s being taken over by Muslims with the blessings of your government. Muslims don’t assimilate, they conquer and Europe will be gone in less than 50 years unless they stop the invasion. Your future generations (think grandchildren) will be forced to comply with Sharia laws…what exciting times for them (remember from history the Crusades).

    Stop hitting the “I Believe Button” and start verifying what you have been told is truth.

    #947816
    Berean
    Participant

    @DT

    Jesus has already accomplished the essential (Isaiah 53). He is coming back very soon to bring us back to the Father.

    As for the Messiah you are waiting for, it would seem that he is MUCH behind schedule, MUCH MORE so than Jesus, and he will have a lot of work to do when he comes to earth, if indeed he ever does… given how long he has been awaited.

     

    #947817
    DesireTruth
    Participant

    @Berean,

    Jesus has already accomplished the essential (Isaiah 53).

    You can’t explain Isaiah 53; but you sure do “believe” it’s about the Jesus. Who is the “servant” mentioned in the previous chapters?

    Isa 41:8 “But thou, Israel, My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham My friend

    Isa 44:1 “Yet now hear, O Jacob My servant, and Israel, whom I have chosen;

    Isa 44:21 “Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for thou art My servant; I have formed thee, thou art Mine own servant;

    Isa 45:4 “For the sake of Jacob My servant, and Israel Mine elect, I have called thee by thy name

    Isa 49:3 ‘Thou art My servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.’”

    Five separate times in the previous chapters Israel/Jacob are called G-d’s “servant”; but we get to chapter 53, it now becomes the Jesus. How do you not see this!??!?! The previous chapters explicitly state who the servant is, but suddenly it changes; it’s like reading a single chapter from the middle of a book and then claiming to know what the book is about and how it will end…oh wait, that is exactly what christianity is doing with chapter 53.

    One of the most condemning passage against christianity has to be Isa 43:10,11 “before Me there was no G-d formed, neither shall any be after Me. 11 I, even I, am HaShem; and beside Me there is no savior.” Since there is none beside G-d who can save, then “believing” salvation only comes thru the Jesus calls G-d a liar; thus, what you “believe” is false.

     

    He is coming back very soon to bring us back to the Father.

    Your religion claimed the Jesus was returning in their time; not once, but twice…oops! AND how long have you been saying the Jesus is “returning soon”; your entire religious career? The Jesus in Revelation says the events in the book were to take place and happen “soon” and 2000 years later, you’re still waiting.

    In Matthew 24 the Jesus tells his disciples what the end will look like as he explains the destruction of the Temple; and he says, “ I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” He tells the disciples their generation won’t pass away before all these events take place and guess what, they’re all gone and now you’re waiting like every generation prior. The Jesus isn’t coming back.

    As for the Messiah you are waiting for, it would seem that he is MUCH behind schedule, MUCH MORE so than Jesus, and he will have a lot of work to do when he comes to earth, if indeed he ever does… given how long he has been awaited.

    How can the true Messiah be “behind schedule”; there was never a timeline given, other than “in the last days” and do you know when that will be; every generation seems to say “the end is now” and the end never comes. This is how little christians know of the Tanakh (I’m still learning). You still haven’t proven the Jesus is THE Messiah according to the Tanakh; I have given multiple passages proving the Jesus isn’t the Messiah and what have you done with any of them? Ignored every one! Prove the Jesus is a biological descendant of David and Solomon; your Greek Testament says the Jesus’ daddy is the spirit of G-d and NOT a man. It was G-d who said the Messiah would be the “seed/descendant” of David (this is biological not some mythological creation of a mortal and immortal – seeing the Greek and Roman correlation yet) and therefore isn’t a descendant of David’s; thus failing to meet G-d’s requirement.

    Explain Zech 8:20-23 and when this is suppose to happen according to your Greek Testament? The Jewish people reject the Jesus as the Messiah, so why would 10 people grab the hem of a Jew to learn more about G-d if the Jesus is all anyone needs? Find the passage stating the Jesus will unite the Israelite nation; all I have found is the Jesus is going to condemn those in the world for not believing in him and that would have to include the Jews as they have rejected him.

    Are you awake yet??!?

    #947818
    Berean
    Participant

    @DT

    Gen.4
    [1] And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
    [2] And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
    [3] And in process of time it came to pass, that 👉Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
    [4] And👉 Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And 👉the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:👈
    [5] But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

     

    Why were these offerings made?

    What did they mean?

    You must answer; it’s very important.

    #947819
    DesireTruth
    Participant

    @Berean,

    I MUST answer, is that a joke!!!! From one who refuses to answer questions!

    What answer did your religion tell you? Enlighten!

    #947820
    Berean
    Participant

    I have answered, or rather the Bible has answered, most of the important questions you raise, but you have inevitably lost sight of a CRUCIAL element that runs throughout the entire Old Testament. The day you gain a clearer understanding of the ceremonial law, you will see that Jesus is the Messiah.

    #947821
    DesireTruth
    Participant

    @Berean,

    What hilarity!!!! You can’t even answer your own questions!!

    Why where these first offerings done and what did they mean?!?!!? I asked to be enlightened and you run from your own statements!!!!

    You then accuse me of loosing “sight of a CRUCIAL element that runs throughout the entire Old Testament”, which seems to be “ceremonial law” to you. You’re going to have to enlighten me of this “ceremonial law” and when G-d enacted it. The last time I looked into the “law”, G-d gave Israel 613 of them ranging from how they were to worship G-d to how they were to treat others…sounds a little like what the Jesus said about those two great commands. This “theme” you speaking of is found in the first five books and the rest of the Tanakh is prophecy and writings.

    Once again, quit teasing and please enlighten.

     

    P.S. If you can’t explain why you believe what you believe, how are you bringing others to the Jesus?

    #947822
    DesireTruth
    Participant

    @Berean,

    I find it amazing today how the “christian” is unable to answer and support their beliefs when those beliefs are challenged. Instead of proving their belief is correct, they deflect or move the “goal post” away from the original topic. My favorite is the double standard of question answering; crying about their questions not being answered, while never answering those asked.

    It would seem, when one can’t answer questions concerning their faith, they really aren’t that strong in that faith and are simply walking thru life believing and parroting what they are told. Ask yourself why it’s so easy to cause you to go silent. The answer is simple; you have no idea how to answer the question and therefore, no response. Your silence in answering your own recent questions, speaks deafening volumes. Your faith in the Jesus apparently isn’t as strong as you think it is and what about the spirit giving you the words to say (Luke 12:12). If the spirit is to help you respond to critics, where is he today?

    John 14:12 “I tell you the solemn truth, the person who believes in me will perform the miraculous deeds that I am doing, and will perform greater deeds than these, because I am going to the Father.” When was the last time you prayed over someone and they were instantly healed or raised from the dead? Since you are to do “greater deeds”, have you prayed and a missing limb came back or calmed a raging hurricane. The Jesus prophesied those who “believed in him” will do “greater deeds.” What does this mean if you have never performed a miracle equal to what the Jesus did?

    You asked where “my Messiah” was because he’s late; where is your Jesus and why isn’t he doing as he promised for those that believe in him? The Jesus is the one who said, “And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it.” The “I will do whatever you ask” and “ask me anything in my name” cannot be understood as being done in greed or selfishness, because as a “believer” that shouldn’t be a part of who you are anymore. If it is, can you call yourself a “true believer”?

    The Jesus is the one who said he was returning soon; today this word “soon” has taken on a meaning of “in G-d’s timing” verses what they would have understood it to mean, the same as we do today – something to take place shortly.

    Are we waking up???

    #947824
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi all

    LISTEN TO THE CHORUS OF ANGELS

    And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host, praising God and saying, “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!” (Luke 2:13-14)

    No human being, not even the most blessed of God’s children, has ever been welcomed with such a demonstration of joy as the newborn child of Bethlehem.

    The angels […] appeared to the humble shepherds who were keeping watch over their flocks at night in the plains of Bethlehem. […] The angel of the Lord came to them and said, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which shall be for all the people: for unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.” And this will be the sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in swaddling cloths and lying in a manger.” As soon as their eyes had grown accustomed to the glorious presence of the angel, the whole plain was illuminated by the glorious radiance of the multitude of the heavenly host that filled the outskirts of Bethlehem, […] praising God and saying: “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!”

    Human ears then heard the heavenly melody, modulated by the choir of angels who disappeared into heaven at the last notes of this unforgettable hymn. The light vanished…; but in the hearts of the shepherds remained forever the most sublime vision that any mortal could behold. In their memory was also engraved the blessed promise and assurance of the Savior’s coming to earth, a promise that filled them with happiness and joy, as well as with faith and love for God.

    Oh, if only the human family could recognize this song today! Once proclaimed then, the melody sung will resound until the end of time and to the ends of the earth. And when the Sun of Righteousness rises, with healing in its wings, this song will be taken up by the great multitude, whose voice, like the sound of rushing waters, will cry out: “Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, has come into his kingdom.”

     

    E. G. White – With God Every Day

    Collection of Meditations

    #947825
    DesireTruth
    Participant

    @Berean,

    Gen.4
    [1] And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
    [2] And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
    [3] And in process of time it came to pass, that 👉Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
    [4] And👉 Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And 👉the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:👈
    [5] But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

    Why were these offerings made?

    What did they mean?

    Still waiting for an explanation of your two questions; why were these offerings made and what did they mean?

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