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- May 5, 2025 at 3:36 pm#947340
DesireTruthParticipantWhich “Sunday Keepers” DON’T you consider “under the banner of Satan,” are “apostates,” are “Babylon,” or are the “daughters of Babylon”?
Concerning the “true remnant”:
Rev. 12:17] And the dragon (Satan through the Roman Empire) was wroth with the woman (the faithful church), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, those who keep the commandments of God and have 👉the testimony of Jesus Christ.👈
Support the dragon is “Satan thru the Roman empire” with what G-d said. Who are the “remnant seed” and what commands are they keeping…the 10 Commands that christians follow or the 613 G-d gave to Israel at Mt. Sinai?
It is “the little horn” (Dan. 7) or the “sea beast” inspired by the Dragon/papal Rome that “thinks to change times and laws.”
How do you know papal Rome is what Daniel was envisioning; it sounds like a thought man has created.
You continue on with the thoughts of man. but in none of this do you explain why the Sabbath observance is the great separating wall between G-d’s true remnant people and the deceived, lost world. Please support what you believe; tell me where G-d says this. If G-d doesn’t say this, why do you believe it?
Do you know which day G-d began creating the world? All He said was to rest on the seventh; you work for six and rest one day out of seven. G-d NEVER gave a specific day to rest; what your seventh day may not be another’s. Why do you think it’s your duty to judge others?
To bring up Wieland again is moot; nothing he has to say is based in any truth judging from what he said of Daniel 9. You like him because he agrees with what you believe or he’s another Adventist and therefore your belief system aligns.
Verify everything! When are you going to start?
May 6, 2025 at 1:45 am#947341Berean
Participant@DT
I give up on talking to you anymore.Goodbye
I don’t want to waste any more time with you.
May 6, 2025 at 4:31 am#947342
DesireTruthParticipantTo funny! Typical, questions you can’t/won’t answer; if you did, you would discover you have been lied to your entire life but fear keeps you where you are. As a former “christian” I believed some of what you do; the only difference is I started looking into what was being taught and started questioning it. I began verifying what I was told was truth only to find it was a lie. I guarantee you still haven’t compared passages quoted from the Tanakh in the NT to see if they match the original context or even verbiage.
None have explained how the Jesus is the true Messiah when he was conceived of the “spirit” and not a man. G-d said he (Messiah) would be of the seed of David and Solomon. Last I checked the “spirit” isn’t in the line of David let alone a man who possesses biological DNA to reproduce. THIS is one of the main reasons I walked away from christianity; G-d said the Messiah will be from the seed of David and the NT writers say the Jesus was conceived by the spirit of G-d. Do you NOT see the conflict!?!? Did G-d lie? If you believe in this immaculate conception, then the G-d you claim you serve is NOT the G-d of Israel.
The counter to this your religion teaches “Nothing is to Difficult”, “you don’t believe G-d is big enough to perform this miracle?” Except your religion DOESN’T believe G-d is big enough, because HE needed a helper to forgive sin. What a major contradiction.
May 9, 2025 at 5:49 pm#947343Berean
ParticipantHoly Day or Harmful Policy? Tonga’s Sunday Law Sparks Outrage over Injustice
The Kingdom of Tonga is an island nation located in Polynesia that has Sunday laws embedded in its 1875 Constitution. For 150 years, Tonga’s Sunday laws—which prohibit most commercial and recreational activities on Sundays— have established Sunday as a sacred day of rest dedicated to worship and family. But, like all Sunday laws throughout history, Tonga has, in practice, created more division than unity—producing victims by benefiting one class at the expense of others.
Below is one of the strongest protests and rebukes ever leveled against Sunday law advocates, published by Kaniva News, a leading local media outlet in Tonga. In their critique, they describe Sunday laws as hypocritical, unjust, divisive, selectively enforced, controlling, un-Christian, and responsible for creating a two-tiered system—one that privileges a select class while victimizing others.
On April 19, 2025, Kaniva News published the following:
• “Enough debate. Tonga’s Sunday laws aren’t about piety—they’re about inequality.” [1]
• “Here’s the truth: the law is selectively enforced, creating a two-tier system where tourists and the well-connected thrive while ordinary Tongans face punishment.” [1]
• “On Sundays, tourists sip beers at waterfront bars. Asian construction crews work under government permits. Yet a local selling bread risks fines. Airlines are grounded—unless it’s a medical evacuation. Hospitals and police operate, but small businesses must shut.” [1]
• “Where’s the Christian morality in that? This isn’t about faith—it’s about control. If the law can’t be applied fairly, it shouldn’t exist at all.” [1]
• “Why should a foreigner enjoy freedoms denied to Tongans? Why are some businesses privileged while others are penalized?” [1]
• “Tonga’s Sunday laws don’t uphold holiness; they entrench hypocrisy. It’s time to scrap them or enforce them equally.” [1]
• “If shutting down businesses truly strengthened morality, Europe and the Pacific’s richest Christian nations would do the same. Instead, they trust their people to honor the Sabbath without state coercion.” [1]
• “The choice is simple: practice what you preach, or abandon the pretense.” [1]
When Tonga’s local media excoriates its government for perpetuating Sunday laws under the guise of religious values, it should serve as a wake-up call for us here in America. After 150 years of enforcing these laws, it is abundantly clear that such misguided religious policies create a two-tiered society—one that favors a privileged class while punishing others. Throughout history, Sunday laws have consistently discriminated against minorities while benefiting the powerful, the elite, and the politically connected.U.S. lawmakers should take a hard look at the negative consequences of Sunday laws in Tonga, where efforts to enforce religious rest have led to social division, economic injustice, discontent, and victimization. From Tonga to Europe and America, these laws have historically favored dominant religious groups while alienating minorities, restricting personal freedoms, and harming small businesses.
We need to learn from these failed attempts at Sunday legislation and recognize that imposing religious observance through law never achieves the desired outcome and often backfires, creating inequality, hypocrisy, and coercion. Rather than promoting unity, they tend to expose and deepen cultural and religious divides, highlighting the dangers of legislating doctrinal beliefs.
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[1] https://kanivatonga.co.nz/2025/04/time-to-end-tongas-hypocritical-sunday-laws-or-enforce-them-equally/
Holy Day or Harmful Policy? Tonga’s Sunday Law Sparks Outrage over Injustice
May 10, 2025 at 4:27 am#947344
DesireTruthParticipant@ Post #947343
I’m about verifying everything and wish people would do the same.
The islands of Tongo do have a law enshrined in their constitution which states Sunday to be a day of worship and no work is to be done including certain activities. HOWEVER, there is a huge piece missing from the story posted on the “advent messenger”; it’s the people who want this and NOT something forced onto them by government. What the “advent messenger” also conveniently doesn’t mention, are the people of Tongo are fervent church goers and is apart of their culture. There have been times when groups have tried to change this law and the majority people still want it left in place.
Now here’s a nugget of hilarity that makes the story on the “advent messenger” even more ridiculous and has to do with the International Date Line and the fact it goes around Tonga placing them geographically to the east of the date line; so if it’s Saturday to the east, it’s Sunday to the west.
For commercial reasons, the government moved the line east so that Tonga would share the same weekday as New Zealand. So when it’s Sunday in New Zealand, it’s still Saturday east of the date line. Politically, the line was shifted so the calendars in Tonga say it is Sunday, but geographically it is Saturday. Tonga changed the names of the days of the week to accommodate commerce with New Zealand. So ultimately, it is accurate that Tonga celebrates the Sabbath on the seventh day of the week, which they call Sunday. Which should make every Adventist jump for joy!
It’s time for some new writers at the “advent messenger”…
May 10, 2025 at 8:43 am#947345Berean
ParticipantWhat is said in the Advent Messenger is only a reflection of the article below and which should make people think, especially the American government, but not only…
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[1] https://kanivatonga.co.nz/2025/04/time-to-end-tongas-hypocritical-sunday-laws-or-enforce-them-equally/
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Time to end Tonga’s hypocritical Sunday laws or enforce them equally
May 10, 2025 at 1:56 pm#947346
DesireTruthParticipant@ Post #947345
In a story that gives one side; this isn’t journalism, it’s propaganda and hooked you into believing it.
“But here’s the truth: the law is selectively enforced, creating a two-tier system where tourists and the well-connected thrive while ordinary Tongans face punishment.”
Except over 97% of the Tongan population are ardent christians; IF, the no work on Sundays was an issue with the people there, don’t you think they would demand a change? Again, this lifestyle is built into their culture and has been for over 200 years and suddenly their way of life is an issue for you, a foreigner, who is how many hundreds of miles away!?!?
To say the law is “selectively enforced” is bogus. They allow people to work on “Sunday” and it’s primarily to cater to the tourist crowd; but are we so obtuse to not understand without tourism there isn’t an influx of money into their economy?!? So the reality is you want these Polynesian people stuck in the past and not moving forward. “Where’s the Christian morality in that?”
What’s funny is the people of Tonga encourage and welcome tourist into their churches and to join them on this day of rest.
Get off your false belief of a “National Sunday Law” being enacted anywhere today. In the United States it would take an act of CONgress to make that happen and then the president would have to sign it into law. Most western nations have liberal governments and I can guarantee they aren’t going to enact any law establishing a “Sunday rest.”
What you should be more concerned about is religious persecution that’s running rampant throughout most western nations and the world. People being killed just because they believe in the Jesus, hold a religious service, or are jailed because they pray silently to themselves on a street corner; but golly-gee-whiz take up a cross because a country collectively wants to observe a sabbath rest day! Maybe western christians should look to them as an example of unity since there are like twelve different faiths in Tonga who have come together and said yes to Sabbath observance instead of fighting over whose faith is more right and trying to convert them into it.
Find a topic other than the sabbath; maybe study how the Jesus could be the Messiah when he never fulfilled what was spoken of the true Messiah in the Tanakh.
May 10, 2025 at 10:00 pm#947347Berean
ParticipantThe Ancient Sacrificial System Found Its Fulfillment in Christ
1. The Passover lamb was a type of Christ. Exodus 12:3-14; 1 Corinthians 5:7. TDOC 57.2
2. The continual burnt offering was a type of Christ. Exodus 29:39-42; Hebrews 9:25, 26. TDOC 57.3
3. The sin offering was a type of Christ. Leviticus 4:32, 33; Isaiah 53:6, 7; John 1:29. TDOC 57.4
4. The tabernacle was itself a type of the incarnate Christ. Exodus 25:8; 29:43-45; 40:34; John 1:14; 2:19-21. TDOC 57.5
5. All other ceremonial observances were as shadows of the reality Christ. Colossians 2:16, 17; Hebrews 10:1. TDOC 58.1
6. The typical system was abolished by the incarnation and death of Christ. Matthew 27:50, 51; Colossians 2:14; Hebrews 10:4-9.
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May 11, 2025 at 10:33 am#947360
DesireTruthParticipantYou gave me your doctrine of beliefs and by definition they are “a codification of beliefs or a body of teachings or instructions, taught principles or positions, as the essence of teachings in a belief system.” A belief is what “doctrines” are. You have to “believe” it’s truth, and anyone can believe anything they want and call it truth. The only real truth is what G-d said.
Explain how the Jesus is the messiah (anointed one) and what of the following did Jesus fulfill? If you claim this will happen when Jesus returns, please site this passage where G-d said the messiah is to come twice.
First of all, he must be Jewish
“…you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you.” (Deuteronomy 17:15)The Jesus’ mom was Jewish so that would make him Jewish.
He must be a member of the tribe of Judah
“The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet…” (Genesis 49:10)To be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a biological father who is a member of the tribe of Judah.
He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son
“And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever…” (2 Samuel 7:12 – 13)The genealogy of Joseph states he is not the biological father of Jesus. The other genealogy is through Nathan and not Solomon.
He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel
“And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” (Isaiah 11:12)Are all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus? What does christianity teach, that failure to believe in the Jesus condemns you to hell.
He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem
“…and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them..” (Ezekiel 37:26 – 27)At last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after Jesus died that the Temple was destroyed! Just the opposite of this prophecy!
He will rule at a time of world-wide peace
“…they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.” (Micah 4:3)Are we living in a state of complete world peace? Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?
He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments
“My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes.” (Ezekiel 37:24)
The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.
He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d
“And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd” (Isaiah 66:23)there are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold. In christianity it is taught there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; believe in the trinity or not, you believe in the trinity if you believe in the three as separate beings being co-eternal or co-equal.
Concerning you doctrinal beliefs, would highly recommend you stop and read the passages from the Tanakh without your Jesus googles.
1. The Passover lamb was a type of Christ. The Passover lamb was to be eaten and is a feast of G-d’s as a remembrance of HIM rescuing Israel from Egypt, as a lasting statute. Are we to eat the Jesus?
2. The continual burnt offering was a type of Christ. Explain how the Exodus passage “symbolizes” the Jesus. If you would have read the passage, instead of believing what others said it means, as it speaks of a “sin offering”; this offering is done twice a day – morning and night – and was to atone for unintentional sins, sins that were committed by accident. So the Jesus died for unintentional sins?
3. The sin offering was a type of Christ. Lev 4:32 And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish. So the Jesus was a girl?!!??! Nothing else need be said…
4. The tabernacle was itself a type of the incarnate Christ. Now the Jesus was a building?!?!? “let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.” This is G-d speaking and talking about a place he would dwell. The tabernacle was a physical place and the Jesus isn’t here anymore. How can one live in the Jesus? Who came up with this????
5. All other ceremonial observances were as shadows of the reality Christ. Explain!
6. The typical system was abolished by the incarnation and death of Christ. What “typical system” was abolished? This statement is extremely vague and the passages of support are from the NT and are therefore irrelevant because they didn’t come from G-d.
Every bit of what you copied and pasted from your doctrine is just that doctrine; none of it is based in what G-d said. Man created what you believe and it’s false!
May 19, 2025 at 7:22 am#947372
DesireTruthParticipantWhy does one believe what they believe concerning their “faith system”? What makes a belief, truth? Is this belief found and verified within G-d’s spoken word or found within the doctrines of man? Why do most religions require a strong belief system in what it teaches? Is one allowed to question a particular belief held within a religion? Why does religion resort to “G-d’s ways are higher than ours” to explain away tough questions of a firmly held religious belief?
If one has truth, does one have to believe it’s true or is this truth simply a fact that requires no belief in it and therefore there’s no question to its validity. However, there are many questions within religions (christian specifically) people either don’t/can’t answer or cannot support with G-d’s words (Tanakh).
For example, “The Passover lamb was a type of Christ.” The church teaches this, but is this supported by G-d and the words HE spoke? In Exodus 12 G-d explains when, how, and who can participate in the Passover. Reading this chapter, the lamb OR goat was to be used and subsequently eaten; anything left over by morning was to be burned. In verse 14 G-d explicitly says how long this feast must be observed “And this day will become a memorial for you, and you will celebrate it as a religious feast for Yahweh throughout your generations; you will celebrate it as a lasting statute.” It’s to be celebrated as a “lasting statute”, “celebrate it perpetually as a lasting ordinance”, “shall keep it a feast by an ordinance forever”, “a feast for a perpetual ordinance.” Nowhere did G-d say the festival would end when the Jesus hung on the cross and became a “type of Passover lamb.” Does “forever” have a new meaning within the modern church today?
If the Jesus is a type of Passover over lamb, explain how this fits with what G-d said above. Especially when G-d told Moses and Aaron this feast was to be a memorial for what G-d did by rescuing them from slavery. Nowhere in this chapter does it speak of the Passover lamb as being used for the redemption of sin as the modern church teaches today; it’s a celebration/remembrance of what G-d did for who became the nation of Israel.
Why do we believe what we believe? Is what we believe truth; if so, why would truth require belief…would it not be universally known and understood by all?
May 21, 2025 at 5:17 pm#947373Berean
ParticipantRepublican Lawmakers Urge Speaker Mike Johnson to Invite Pope Leo XIV to Address a Joint Session of Congress, Saying, “It Would Be Valuable to Hear His Holiness’s Vision”
On May 19, 2025, Republican members of Congress signed a petition urging House Speaker Mike Johnson to extend a formal invitation to the first American Pope to address a joint session of Congress in Washington, D.C. The petition frames the invitation as a “valuable” opportunity for Congress to seek “spiritual and moral guidance” from the Holy See. Republican lawmakers assert that having the Pope speak before both chambers would be “a great benefit to Congress and the American people.”
Sadly, many will view this merely as a gesture of unity and respect for the so-called moral leadership of the papacy, but the Word of God reveals it as a sign of deeper prophetic significance. According to Revelation 13, such an event marks a critical step toward the fulfillment of prophecy in which the United States—symbolized as a Protestant nation—forms an alliance with the papal power. This alliance is seen as laying the foundation for the federal government to gradually embed Roman Catholic doctrines and moral values into American law, ultimately leading to the enforcement of religious mandates, such as Sunday observance. This convergence of church and state is viewed as a direct precursor to the global enforcement of the “mark of the beast”—a final crisis in which freedom of conscience and civil liberty will be replaced by religious tyranny on a worldwide scale.
The letter asking Mike Johnson to invite the Pope reads as follows:
• “Dear Mr. Speaker, We respectfully ask you to consider inviting the newly-elected Pope, His Holiness Pope Leo XIV, to address Joint Session of Congress. We as Catholic celebrate the first-ever American pope and hope you will consider an invitation to him. It would be valuable for Congress to hear His Holiness’s vision for the role of Catholic faith in the world and how he plans to lead the over 1.4 billion Catholics worldwide and the many others who look to the Holy See for spiritual and moral guidance.” [1]
• “A native of the Chicago area, Pope Leo XIV made history as the first-ever American pope, and unprecedented feat that makes America’s light shine even brighter across the globe. Before his election, Leo XIV spent nearly half a century serving the church in various roles at home and abroad. Hearing his address would be of great benefit for Congress and the American people.” [1]
• “In a time of increasing religious intolerance, we welcome the vision and leadership of Pope Leo XIV and respectfully request that you invite his holiness to address a joint session of Congress this calendar year.” [1]
• “Sincerely, Jeff Hurd (Republican), Charles J. “Chuck” Fleischmann (Republican), Mariannette J. Miller-Meeks, M.D. (Republican), Michael T. McCaul (Republican), Don Bacon (Republican), Earl L. “Buddy” Carter (Republican), Tom Barrett (Republican), Mark B. Messmer (Republican), Glenn Grothman (Republican), Darin LaHood (Republican), Michael V. Lawler (Republican), Rob Bresnahan, Jr. (Republican), Carlos A. Gimenez (Republican), Eric A. “Rick” Crawford (Republican).” [1]
For the Pope of Rome to address a joint session of Congress is deeply significant and concerning. Revelation 13 describes the United States as initially upholding principles of civil and religious liberty (“two horns like a lamb”) but eventually speaking “as a dragon” (Revelation 13:11). This change represents a departure from our founding values of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” The concern of inviting the Pope—a global religious figure and head of a religious-political system long associated in Protestant eschatology with the first beast—is that the U.S. is symbolically aligning itself with papal authority. This move is viewed as a step toward fulfilling Revelation 13:12, which says the second beast, or the US, would “exercise all the power of the first beast,” Rome, by compelling global worship.Such an event would only pave the way in which U.S. lawmakers would increasingly pass laws to reflect Roman Catholic doctrinal positions. This alignment is believed to prepare the way for the enforcement of a global religious observance—most notably Sunday sacredness—better known as the “mark of the beast” (Revelation 13:16-17). This call being made to invite the Pope to give his vision about the world to our US lawmakers is not only a political gesture, but as a prophetic milestone in the fulfillment of end-time events.
“The dignitaries of church and state will unite to bribe, persuade, or compel all classes to honor the Sunday. The lack of divine authority will be supplied by oppressive enactments. Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators, in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance” (Great Controversy, p. 592).
Sources[1] https://x.com/RepMMM/status/1924802205753774530
May 24, 2025 at 11:42 pm#947374Berean
ParticipantHi
Penguins have an almost perfectly streamlined body profile that’s ideal for chasing fish. In fact, the penguin has the most hydrodynamic body shape ever gauged. A swimming chinstrap penguin seven inches wide slices through the water with less resistance than a quarter-sized pebble. These sleek bodies also help penguins snag prey and escape predators like leopard seals and killer whales.
Not only are penguins able to swim faster than a man can run, their efficient shape enables them to travel long distances. Emperor penguins, for instance, have been known to cover almost 1,000 miles on foraging trips that last up to a month, swimming more than 40 miles per day. Not bad for a bird! Penguins also have other features that make them highly capable fishers. Their tongues are armed with sharp, backward-facing barbs that help prevent prey from escaping.
Penguins are also world-class divers. In the 1970s, dive recording devices attached to emperor penguins revealed the penguins were shown to be diving to depths of at least 1,755 feet in search of food. That’s astonishing when you consider that is much deeper than a nuclear submarine likes to cruise. It’s a mystery how these birds survive at such depths. At 1,200 feet, for instance, the birds are being compressed by 40 times the pressure they feel at the surface.
Penguin’s eyes are another marvel. Their pupils can adjust much more than a cat, dilating from a pinhole to the size of a quarter. This enables sharp vision in both the pitch-black depths and at the blinding bright Antarctic surface. This is also an amazing accomplishment, since air and water demand very different kinds of sight.
But penguins apparently make the switch smoothly by using fine eye muscles to bend and warp the lens in their eyes to correct for differences between air and water vision. Penguins can even see into the ultraviolet range of the electromagnetic spectrum.
The Bible teaches that a Christian must be able to maintain spiritual vision with their eyes on heaven while still living in the dark world below. Moses warned the Israelites, “Only take heed to yourself, and diligently keep yourself, lest you forget the things your eyes have seen, and lest they depart from your heart all the days of your life. And teach them to your children and your grandchildren” (Deuteronomy 4:9). We will keep our vision clear in the world when we keep our eyes on Christ and the ways He has led us.
KEY BIBLE TEXTS
Mine eyes are ever toward the LORD; for he shall pluck my feet out of the net. Psalm 25:15🙏
May 25, 2025 at 5:51 am#947375
DesireTruthParticipant@Post #947374
Deut 4:9 has nothing to do with the Jesus and keeping “our vision clear in the world when we keep our eyes on Christ and the ways he has led us.” Once again someone has parachuted into a single passage, taken it out of context, and applied their own meaning to it. This is another fine example of NOT verifying what one has been told is truth.
In this chapter Moses is speaking to the Israelite’s and instructing them to follow what G-d has commanded. Not just the “10 Commandments” as christians say; BUT, the 613 given to them at Mt. Sinai; commands that would set them apart from all other nations.
Food for thought:
Ps 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. Yet, the Jesus calls himself the “son of man” 85 times in the NT! Hmmmmm!
The true Messiah will rule at a time of world-wide peace (Micah 4:3). He will rule at a time when all people (not just “christians”) will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d (Isaiah 66:23). The Jesus says he’ll bring the sword and division (Luke 12:49-53; Matt 10:34-36). The Jesus also paints himself as a harsh ruler to those who don’t accept him (Luke 19:11-27). This is the christian’s “Prince of Peace” or is it “Prince of Pieces”…
When will “christians” begin verifying the lies they have been told are truth? The single most dangerous thing a christian can do, is to start asking questions.
May 31, 2025 at 6:07 pm#947376Berean
ParticipantPope Leo XIV Tells Protestants: “The More United Christians are, the More Effective will be Our Witness to Christ”
Pope Leo XIV is rapidly advancing his prophetic role in uniting the churches under a single spiritual authority through his urgent calls for deeper fraternity among Christians. It is the fast-tracked fulfillment of Revelation’s warnings about a global religious alliance led by Rome. The ecumenical movement—championed by the Papacy—is not a harmless invitation to unity but rather the false unity spoken of in Revelation 13 and 17, where church and state become entwined in a system that will ultimately enforce man-made laws over God’s commandments.
Pope Leo XIV sent a message on the occasion of the 500th anniversary of the Anabaptist movement, in which he encouraged Catholics and Anabaptists to advance reconciliation through dialogue, unity, and love. The Pope emphasized the importance of maintaining a united Christian witness in his greeting to the Anabaptists and Mennonites—a denomination with the Anabaptist tradition.
On May 29, 2025, the Holy See Press Office published the Pope’s message to the Anabaptists:
• “As you gather to commemorate 500 years of the Anabaptist movement, I cordially greet all of you, dear friends, in the first words spoken by the risen Jesus: ‘Peace be with you!’ (John 20:19).” [1]
• “The motto chosen for your celebration, ‘The Courage to Love’, reminds us, above all, of the need for Catholics and Mennonites to make every effort to live out the commandment of love, the call to Christian unity, and the mandate to serve others. It likewise points to the need for honesty and kindness in reflecting on our common history, which includes painful wounds and narratives that affect Catholic-Mennonite relationships and perceptions up to the present day.” [1]
• “Our ongoing journey of healing, and of deepening fraternity, has a vital role to play, for the more united Christians are the more effective will be our witness to Christ the Prince of Peace in building up a civilization of loving encounter.” [1]
The term “anabaptists” literally means re-baptizer and this branch of Protestants encouraged the Reformation to embrace further reforms such as adult baptism, voluntary church membership, and the separation of church and state. These were faithful men and women who were seeking to continue in the work of restoring Bible truth. Tragically, they have embraced Rome’s call for universal fraternity—a unity that sacrifices truth on the altar of conformity. In doing so, they are preparing the world to worship “the dragon which gave power unto the beast … saying, Who is like unto the beast?” (Revelation 13:4). This is not the unity Christ prayed for, grounded in truth and obedience, but a counterfeit alliance that aligns perfectly with the prophetic warnings of Revelation.The entire world is being swept into a deadly deception, drunk on the wine of Babylon as foretold in Revelation 17:2. This prophetic “wine” is nothing less than the intoxicating mixture of false doctrines, ecumenical compromise, and spiritual adultery that corrupts the mind and blinds the soul to the truth of God’s Word. What we are witnessing is not harmless cooperation among churches but a bold and calculated push toward global religious unity—one that tramples on the distinct truths of Scripture in the name of false peace.
This is the trajectory of end-time prophecy: the rapid healing of the deadly wound (Revelation 13:3) and the restoration of Papal supremacy, aided by Protestants who have forgotten the Reformation. The ecumenical movement is not a move of the Holy Spirit—it is a masterpiece of deception preparing the world to receive the mark of the beast. The urgency is real. The final crisis is nearing. God’s people must awaken, stand firm on the everlasting gospel, and refuse to drink from the cup of Babylon.
Sources
[1] https://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiv/en/messages/pont-messages/2025/documents/20250523-messaggio-movimento-anabattista.html
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June 2, 2025 at 6:05 am#947377Berean
ParticipantAnd He shall build the temple of the LORD.”—Zechariah 6:12
In the temple in heaven, the dwelling place of God, His throne is established in righteousness and judgment. In the most holy place is His law, the great rule of right by which all humanity are tested. The ark that enshrines the tables of the law is covered with the mercy seat, before which Christ pleads His blood in the sinner’s behalf. Thus is represented the union of justice and mercy in the plan of human redemption. This union infinite wisdom alone could devise and infinite power accomplish; it is a union that fills all heaven with wonder and adoration. The cherubim of the earthly sanctuary, looking reverently down upon the mercy seat, represent the interest with which the heavenly host contemplate the work of redemption. This is the mystery of mercy into which angels desire to look—that God can be just while He justifies the repenting sinner and renews His communion with the fallen race; that Christ could stoop to raise unnumbered multitudes from the abyss of ruin and clothe them with the spotless garments of His own righteousness to unite with angels who have never fallen and to dwell forever in the presence of God.
The work of Christ as humanity’s intercessor is presented in that beautiful prophecy of Zechariah concerning Him “whose name is the Branch.” Says the prophet: “He shall build the temple of the Lord; and He shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon His [the Father’s] throne; and He shall be a priest upon His throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between Them both” (Zechariah 6:12, 13)….
By His sacrifice and mediation Christ is both the foundation and the builder of the church of God. The apostle Paul points to Him as “the chief Cornerstone; in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth into an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also,” he says, “are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit” (Ephesians 2:20-22).
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June 4, 2025 at 5:27 am#947378
DesireTruthParticipantWho is “the Branch” spoken of in Zechariah 6:12 and is it really speaking of the Jesus? The passage tells us this “branch” is going to build the Temple of G-d and Zechariah was a prophet during the time of the rebuilding of the Temple and Jerusalem; yet, “christianity” claims this passage as a reference to the “work of Christ as humanity’s intercessor”; RUBBISH!!!! One has to ignore the rest of the preceding chapters of Zechariah AND/OR have a comprehension level of a toddler.
Zech 6:12 specifically states “the Branch” will build the temple and when one studies this, a parallel is found between the prophets Haggai and Zechariah and Ezra and Nehemiah. We discover all four where contemporaries, meaning they where around during the same time period. Anyone who has been in the “church” for any length of time knows Ezra and Nehemiah where part of the rebuilding of the second temple.
A short history lesson, because of Israel’s disobedience they where scattered throughout the known world and Judah was taken captive by Babylon for 70 years, the Temple was destroyed, and Jerusalem was left decimated. Isaiah prophesied a ruler would be G-d’s mashiach (anointed one – aka messiah) and called him out by name – Cyrus (Isa 44:28). Daniel, after the Babylonian rule, was distraught because they where still in captivity under the Persian/Medes rule. In chapter seven of Daniel we are told about a 70 Week (in years) period where the second Temple will be rebuilt and if at the end they don’t repent and turn back to G-d that temple will be destroyed. What’s fascinating is Cyrus became king and commissioned the rebuilding of the city and Temple (Ezra 1:1-2) as Isaiah prophesied.
The question is, who was the leader of Judah when the building of the Temple began? According to Haggai 1:1 Zerubbabel was made governor of Judah and it was he who oversaw the rebuilding of the Temple AND MUST BE “the Branch” prophesied by Zechariah.
What’s interesting is reading the King Jimmy translation of Zech 6:13: Even he (the Branch) shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. KJV
The way King Jimmy had this translated it makes it sound like it’s referring to a single person, except who is “between them both”? This sounds like two. Setting aside the corruption of King Jimmy and reading another translation we see the discrepancy:
Indeed, he (the Branch) will build the temple of the Lord, and he will be clothed in splendor, sitting as king on his throne. Moreover, there will be a priest with him on his throne and they will see eye to eye on everything. NET
Now we see the two people being spoken of. Why did King Jimmy twist this passage; was the goal to make appear to the Jesus, when it really doesn’t? Then one needs to explain how a king can also be a priest of G-d’s; the king was to be from the tribe of Judah and a priest was from the tribe of Levi – it’s impossible for one be from both tribes!
When will those in christianity begin verifying what they have been told is truth?!?
June 5, 2025 at 8:57 am#947379Berean
ParticipantJune 5, 2025 at 6:21 pm#947380Berean
ParticipantPeace has Become the Theme of Pope Leo XIV’s Papacy as He Meets with Over 300 Peace-building Associations and Movements
Bible prophecy warns of a global, deceptive peace movement that will seek to unite the world. In 1 Thessalonians 5:3, Scripture warns, “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them.” This global peace effort, cloaked in love, unity, and harmony, is designed to place the people of the world into a false sense of carnal security.
Revelation 13 describes the rise of global religious and political powers that will bring the nations of the world together to enforce a system of worship that runs contrary to God’s law. Under the guise of peace, people will be led into apostasy, exalting human authority over divine revelation. Ultimately, this counterfeit peace will prepare the way for the enforcement of the mark of the beast.
On May 30, 2025, Pope Leo XIV received over 300 representatives of associations and movements at the Vatican. He stressed the need to promote “peace, peace, peace,” along with unity, communion, fraternity, and love—values that on the surface appear to be good. However, the problem lies at the foundation of this agenda. It is not grounded in the truth of Scripture but instead reflects a man-made vision of global harmony that ignores righteousness, obedience, and the truth that God requires.
Vatican News published the following:
• “Pope Leo on Friday received more than 300 representatives of associations and movements that took part in the 2024 “Arena of Peace” in the Italian city of Verona.” [1]
• “In his remarks to the group, Pope Leo XIV echoed Pope Francis, who said that ‘building peace starts by standing alongside victims and seeing things from their point of view’.” [1]
• “Pope Leo explained that the path to peace requires hearts and minds trained and formed to be attentive to the other and capable of recognizing the common good in today’s context.” [1]
• “The Holy Father said the Gospel and the Church’s social doctrine are ‘a constant source of support for Christians in this effort,’ as well as a ‘compass for everyone’ since peace-building is ‘a task entrusted to all’.” [1]
• “Pope Leo said, ‘If you want peace, prepare institutions of peace’ – not just political institutions, but educational, economic, and social ones as well. ‘For this reason,’ he said, ‘I encourage you to remain committed and present: present within history as a leaven of unity, communion, and fraternity,’ adding that ‘fraternity must be recovered, loved, experienced, proclaimed and witnessed’.” [1]
The world’s ongoing efforts to establish peace apart from truth, righteousness, and justice are ultimately doomed to fail. History has repeatedly shown that when peace is pursued through political alliances, economic deals, or religious compromise—without addressing the moral and spiritual failures of society—it only leads to deeper conflicts, more oppression, and civil unrest. True and lasting peace cannot be built on sin and lawlessness; it must be rooted in God’s truths. Whenever sin is ignored, the result is not harmony but only more division, war, and misery.
The following Bible verses show that true peace comes not through compromise with sin, but through obedience to God’s law and faith in Christ.
“And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.” Isaiah 32:17.
“Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.” Psalm 119:165.
“My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.” Proverbs 3:1–2.
“O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea.” Isaiah 48:18
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance.” Galatians 5:22–23
Without righteousness, truth, and obedience, there can be no real peace—only a fragile illusion that quickly shatters under the weight of sin. Worldly peace may appear stable for a moment, upheld by man-made plans, but it lacks the moral and spiritual foundation required to endure. Righteousness confronts evil, truth exposes lies, and obedience unites us with the will of God. Whenever any of these biblical pillars are missing, what remains is a counterfeit peace—one that prioritizes everything else except unity in the truth.
Such peace cannot withstand the test of time, because sin, left unchecked, will always sow discord, corruption, and violence. Just as a house built on sand collapses when the storm comes, peace built without God’s righteousness crumbles under the pressure of human pride, selfish ambition, and moral decay. Lasting peace flows from the heart transformed by Christ, not from human efforts divorced from divine authority.
To meditate on
God bless
Sources
[1] https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-05/pope-leo-xiv-if-you-want-peace-prepare-institutions-of-peace.html
June 8, 2025 at 2:38 am#947381Berean
ParticipantColombia’s New Labor Law Mandates Employers to Pay a 100% Wage Increase for Working on Sundays
Reminiscent of Project 2025, a new federal law is discouraging Sunday labor by charging employers a 100% surcharge. The law, being called a labor reform measure, demands extra compensation for working on Sundays and public holidays. This “reform” is designed to punish business and recognize Sunday as a special day of rest, which aligns with the broader worldwide effort that seeks to make Sunday the official day off for workers.
On June 2, 2025, W-Radio in Colombia published the following about the “significant changes” being imposed on businesses that choose to remain open on Sundays—making it clear that companies will face mounting pressure unless they conform to the growing Sunday rest agenda.
• “Colombia’s labor reform introduces significant changes to compensation for work on Sundays and holidays. These changes seek to improve working conditions and guarantee fairer compensation for workers who work on these days.” [1]
• “Currently, the surcharge for working on Sundays and holidays is 75% of the regular hourly rate. With the new reform, this surcharge will gradually increase to 100%.” [1]
• “Those responsible for the reform have stated that these changes represent a restoration of rights for Colombian workers, restoring benefits that had been cut under previous legislation. According to the minister, the reform seeks to advance fairer and more equitable labor standards.” [1]
• “Employers must adjust their budgets and operational planning to comply with new legal provisions, which could lead to increased labor costs. It is essential that both parties be informed and prepared to adapt to these changes, ensuring regulatory compliance and promoting harmonious labor relations.” [1]
Colombia’s new federal labor law leaves no room for ambiguity—it effectively mandates Sunday rest by imposing a crippling financial burden on businesses that choose to operate on that day. By requiring companies to pay 100% more in wages for Sunday work, the law forces a stark choice: either absorb unsustainable labor costs or shut down operations every Sunday.This move is not just an economic policy—it’s a strategic maneuver to condition society into accepting Sunday as a compulsory day of rest. It mirrors the same underlying objective seen in Project 2025: using legal and financial pressure to enforce a religiously rooted agenda under the guise of labor reform. This is a calculated effort to reshape culture, economy, and conscience—one Sunday at a time—and it is coming very soon to the United States.
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June 8, 2025 at 5:04 am#947382
DesireTruthParticipant@Post #947381,
I see you are still more concerned with a “Sunday rest” than you are over the murdering of fellow christians around the world.
You will need to explain exactly how paying someone more to work on Sunday will usher in a mandatory “Sunday rest.” Explain how paying someone 25% more one day a week will force a business to close their doors? For simplicity sake let’s use a $10/hour pay rate; currently when someone works on Sunday they receive a 75% pay increase, so their hourly pay for Sunday is $17.50. IF the new law in Columbia is enacted, the pay on Sunday would slowly increase to 100%; so the hourly pay would eventually increase to $20/hour. This slow increase of $2.50 /hour will force businesses to shutdown and cause people to “do no work.” SERIOUSLY!!!!
What a business will do is slightly raise their prices and/or staff fewer people to offset the increase in wages. This is basic stuff; apparently business economics isn’t Andy Roman’s strong suit, but peddling lies are. Besides, President Gustavo Petro is a extreme leftist and, like most leftists, wants nothing to do with G-d let alone institute one of HIS commands. Wake up!! Your faith is based on a person who made a lot of false claims and this “mandatory Sunday rest” is one of them.
Look what happens when one verifies what they are told is truth. If the faith you adhere to is being this deceptive over a none issue of wage compensation, what else are they being deceptive about?
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