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Which “Sunday Keepers” DON’T you consider “under the banner of Satan,” are “apostates,” are “Babylon,” or are the “daughters of Babylon”?
Concerning the “true remnant”:
Rev. 12:17] And the dragon (Satan through the Roman Empire) was wroth with the woman (the faithful church), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, those who keep the commandments of God and have
the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Support the dragon is “Satan thru the Roman empire” with what G-d said. Who are the “remnant seed” and what commands are they keeping…the 10 Commands that christians follow or the 613 G-d gave to Israel at Mt. Sinai?
It is “the little horn” (Dan. 7) or the “sea beast” inspired by the Dragon/papal Rome that “thinks to change times and laws.”
How do you know papal Rome is what Daniel was envisioning; it sounds like a thought man has created.
You continue on with the thoughts of man. but in none of this do you explain why the Sabbath observance is the great separating wall between G-d’s true remnant people and the deceived, lost world. Please support what you believe; tell me where G-d says this. If G-d doesn’t say this, why do you believe it?
Do you know which day G-d began creating the world? All He said was to rest on the seventh; you work for six and rest one day out of seven. G-d NEVER gave a specific day to rest; what your seventh day may not be another’s. Why do you think it’s your duty to judge others?
To bring up Wieland again is moot; nothing he has to say is based in any truth judging from what he said of Daniel 9. You like him because he agrees with what you believe or he’s another Adventist and therefore your belief system aligns.
Verify everything! When are you going to start?
To funny! Typical, questions you can’t/won’t answer; if you did, you would discover you have been lied to your entire life but fear keeps you where you are. As a former “christian” I believed some of what you do; the only difference is I started looking into what was being taught and started questioning it. I began verifying what I was told was truth only to find it was a lie. I guarantee you still haven’t compared passages quoted from the Tanakh in the NT to see if they match the original context or even verbiage.
None have explained how the Jesus is the true Messiah when he was conceived of the “spirit” and not a man. G-d said he (Messiah) would be of the seed of David and Solomon. Last I checked the “spirit” isn’t in the line of David let alone a man who possesses biological DNA to reproduce. THIS is one of the main reasons I walked away from christianity; G-d said the Messiah will be from the seed of David and the NT writers say the Jesus was conceived by the spirit of G-d. Do you NOT see the conflict!?!? Did G-d lie? If you believe in this immaculate conception, then the G-d you claim you serve is NOT the G-d of Israel.
The counter to this your religion teaches “Nothing is to Difficult”, “you don’t believe G-d is big enough to perform this miracle?” Except your religion DOESN’T believe G-d is big enough, because HE needed a helper to forgive sin. What a major contradiction.
Holy Day or Harmful Policy? Tonga’s Sunday Law Sparks Outrage over Injustice
The Kingdom of Tonga is an island nation located in Polynesia that has Sunday laws embedded in its 1875 Constitution. For 150 years, Tonga’s Sunday laws—which prohibit most commercial and recreational activities on Sundays— have established Sunday as a sacred day of rest dedicated to worship and family. But, like all Sunday laws throughout history, Tonga has, in practice, created more division than unity—producing victims by benefiting one class at the expense of others.
Below is one of the strongest protests and rebukes ever leveled against Sunday law advocates, published by Kaniva News, a leading local media outlet in Tonga. In their critique, they describe Sunday laws as hypocritical, unjust, divisive, selectively enforced, controlling, un-Christian, and responsible for creating a two-tiered system—one that privileges a select class while victimizing others.
On April 19, 2025, Kaniva News published the following:
• “Enough debate. Tonga’s Sunday laws aren’t about piety—they’re about inequality.” [1]
• “Here’s the truth: the law is selectively enforced, creating a two-tier system where tourists and the well-connected thrive while ordinary Tongans face punishment.” [1]
• “On Sundays, tourists sip beers at waterfront bars. Asian construction crews work under government permits. Yet a local selling bread risks fines. Airlines are grounded—unless it’s a medical evacuation. Hospitals and police operate, but small businesses must shut.” [1]
• “Where’s the Christian morality in that? This isn’t about faith—it’s about control. If the law can’t be applied fairly, it shouldn’t exist at all.” [1]
• “Why should a foreigner enjoy freedoms denied to Tongans? Why are some businesses privileged while others are penalized?” [1]
• “Tonga’s Sunday laws don’t uphold holiness; they entrench hypocrisy. It’s time to scrap them or enforce them equally.” [1]
• “If shutting down businesses truly strengthened morality, Europe and the Pacific’s richest Christian nations would do the same. Instead, they trust their people to honor the Sabbath without state coercion.” [1]
• “The choice is simple: practice what you preach, or abandon the pretense.” [1]
When Tonga’s local media excoriates its government for perpetuating Sunday laws under the guise of religious values, it should serve as a wake-up call for us here in America. After 150 years of enforcing these laws, it is abundantly clear that such misguided religious policies create a two-tiered society—one that favors a privileged class while punishing others. Throughout history, Sunday laws have consistently discriminated against minorities while benefiting the powerful, the elite, and the politically connected.U.S. lawmakers should take a hard look at the negative consequences of Sunday laws in Tonga, where efforts to enforce religious rest have led to social division, economic injustice, discontent, and victimization. From Tonga to Europe and America, these laws have historically favored dominant religious groups while alienating minorities, restricting personal freedoms, and harming small businesses.
We need to learn from these failed attempts at Sunday legislation and recognize that imposing religious observance through law never achieves the desired outcome and often backfires, creating inequality, hypocrisy, and coercion. Rather than promoting unity, they tend to expose and deepen cultural and religious divides, highlighting the dangers of legislating doctrinal beliefs.
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[1] https://kanivatonga.co.nz/2025/04/time-to-end-tongas-hypocritical-sunday-laws-or-enforce-them-equally/
Holy Day or Harmful Policy? Tonga’s Sunday Law Sparks Outrage over Injustice
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I’m about verifying everything and wish people would do the same.
The islands of Tongo do have a law enshrined in their constitution which states Sunday to be a day of worship and no work is to be done including certain activities. HOWEVER, there is a huge piece missing from the story posted on the “advent messenger”; it’s the people who want this and NOT something forced onto them by government. What the “advent messenger” also conveniently doesn’t mention, are the people of Tongo are fervent church goers and is apart of their culture. There have been times when groups have tried to change this law and the majority people still want it left in place.
Now here’s a nugget of hilarity that makes the story on the “advent messenger” even more ridiculous and has to do with the International Date Line and the fact it goes around Tonga placing them geographically to the east of the date line; so if it’s Saturday to the east, it’s Sunday to the west.
For commercial reasons, the government moved the line east so that Tonga would share the same weekday as New Zealand. So when it’s Sunday in New Zealand, it’s still Saturday east of the date line. Politically, the line was shifted so the calendars in Tonga say it is Sunday, but geographically it is Saturday. Tonga changed the names of the days of the week to accommodate commerce with New Zealand. So ultimately, it is accurate that Tonga celebrates the Sabbath on the seventh day of the week, which they call Sunday. Which should make every Adventist jump for joy!
It’s time for some new writers at the “advent messenger”…
What is said in the Advent Messenger is only a reflection of the article below and which should make people think, especially the American government, but not only…
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[1] https://kanivatonga.co.nz/2025/04/time-to-end-tongas-hypocritical-sunday-laws-or-enforce-them-equally/
Time to end Tonga’s hypocritical Sunday laws or enforce them equally
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In a story that gives one side; this isn’t journalism, it’s propaganda and hooked you into believing it.
“But here’s the truth: the law is selectively enforced, creating a two-tier system where tourists and the well-connected thrive while ordinary Tongans face punishment.”
Except over 97% of the Tongan population are ardent christians; IF, the no work on Sundays was an issue with the people there, don’t you think they would demand a change? Again, this lifestyle is built into their culture and has been for over 200 years and suddenly their way of life is an issue for you, a foreigner, who is how many hundreds of miles away!?!?
To say the law is “selectively enforced” is bogus. They allow people to work on “Sunday” and it’s primarily to cater to the tourist crowd; but are we so obtuse to not understand without tourism there isn’t an influx of money into their economy?!? So the reality is you want these Polynesian people stuck in the past and not moving forward. “Where’s the Christian morality in that?”
What’s funny is the people of Tonga encourage and welcome tourist into their churches and to join them on this day of rest.
Get off your false belief of a “National Sunday Law” being enacted anywhere today. In the United States it would take an act of CONgress to make that happen and then the president would have to sign it into law. Most western nations have liberal governments and I can guarantee they aren’t going to enact any law establishing a “Sunday rest.”
What you should be more concerned about is religious persecution that’s running rampant throughout most western nations and the world. People being killed just because they believe in the Jesus, hold a religious service, or are jailed because they pray silently to themselves on a street corner; but golly-gee-whiz take up a cross because a country collectively wants to observe a sabbath rest day! Maybe western christians should look to them as an example of unity since there are like twelve different faiths in Tonga who have come together and said yes to Sabbath observance instead of fighting over whose faith is more right and trying to convert them into it.
Find a topic other than the sabbath; maybe study how the Jesus could be the Messiah when he never fulfilled what was spoken of the true Messiah in the Tanakh.
The Ancient Sacrificial System Found Its Fulfillment in Christ
1. The Passover lamb was a type of Christ. Exodus 12:3-14; 1 Corinthians 5:7. TDOC 57.2
2. The continual burnt offering was a type of Christ. Exodus 29:39-42; Hebrews 9:25, 26. TDOC 57.3
3. The sin offering was a type of Christ. Leviticus 4:32, 33; Isaiah 53:6, 7; John 1:29. TDOC 57.4
4. The tabernacle was itself a type of the incarnate Christ. Exodus 25:8; 29:43-45; 40:34; John 1:14; 2:19-21. TDOC 57.5
5. All other ceremonial observances were as shadows of the reality Christ. Colossians 2:16, 17; Hebrews 10:1. TDOC 58.1
6. The typical system was abolished by the incarnation and death of Christ. Matthew 27:50, 51; Colossians 2:14; Hebrews 10:4-9.
You gave me your doctrine of beliefs and by definition they are “a codification of beliefs or a body of teachings or instructions, taught principles or positions, as the essence of teachings in a belief system.” A belief is what “doctrines” are. You have to “believe” it’s truth, and anyone can believe anything they want and call it truth. The only real truth is what G-d said.
Explain how the Jesus is the messiah (anointed one) and what of the following did Jesus fulfill? If you claim this will happen when Jesus returns, please site this passage where G-d said the messiah is to come twice.
First of all, he must be Jewish
“…you may appoint a king over you, whom the L-rd your G-d shall choose: one from among your brethren shall you set as king over you.” (Deuteronomy 17:15)The Jesus’ mom was Jewish so that would make him Jewish.
He must be a member of the tribe of Judah
“The staff shall not depart from Judah, nor the sceptre from between his feet…” (Genesis 49:10)To be a member of the tribe of Judah, the person must have a biological father who is a member of the tribe of Judah.
He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son
“And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever…” (2 Samuel 7:12 – 13)The genealogy of Joseph states he is not the biological father of Jesus. The other genealogy is through Nathan and not Solomon.
He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel
“And he shall set up a banner for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” (Isaiah 11:12)Are all Jews living in Israel? Have all Jews EVER lived in Israel since the time of Jesus? What does christianity teach, that failure to believe in the Jesus condemns you to hell.
He must rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem
“…and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and my tabernacle shall be with them..” (Ezekiel 37:26 – 27)At last check, there is NO Temple in Jerusalem. And worse, it was shortly after Jesus died that the Temple was destroyed! Just the opposite of this prophecy!
He will rule at a time of world-wide peace
“…they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.” (Micah 4:3)Are we living in a state of complete world peace? Has there ever been peace since the time of Jesus?
He will rule at a time when the Jewish people will observe G-d’s commandments
“My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall follow My ordinances and be careful to observe My statutes.” (Ezekiel 37:24)
The Torah is the Jewish guide to life, and its commandments are the ones referred to here. Do all Jews observe all the commandments? Christianity, in fact, often discourages observance of the commandments in Torah, in complete opposition to this prophecy.
He will rule at a time when all people will come to acknowledge and serve one G-d
“And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me, says the L-rd” (Isaiah 66:23)there are still millions if not billions of people in the world today who adhere to paganistic and polytheistic religions. It is clear that we have not yet seen this period of human history unfold. In christianity it is taught there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; believe in the trinity or not, you believe in the trinity if you believe in the three as separate beings being co-eternal or co-equal.
Concerning you doctrinal beliefs, would highly recommend you stop and read the passages from the Tanakh without your Jesus googles.
1. The Passover lamb was a type of Christ. The Passover lamb was to be eaten and is a feast of G-d’s as a remembrance of HIM rescuing Israel from Egypt, as a lasting statute. Are we to eat the Jesus?
2. The continual burnt offering was a type of Christ. Explain how the Exodus passage “symbolizes” the Jesus. If you would have read the passage, instead of believing what others said it means, as it speaks of a “sin offering”; this offering is done twice a day – morning and night – and was to atone for unintentional sins, sins that were committed by accident. So the Jesus died for unintentional sins?
3. The sin offering was a type of Christ. Lev 4:32 And if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without blemish. So the Jesus was a girl?!!??! Nothing else need be said…
4. The tabernacle was itself a type of the incarnate Christ. Now the Jesus was a building?!?!? “let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.” This is G-d speaking and talking about a place he would dwell. The tabernacle was a physical place and the Jesus isn’t here anymore. How can one live in the Jesus? Who came up with this????
5. All other ceremonial observances were as shadows of the reality Christ. Explain!
6. The typical system was abolished by the incarnation and death of Christ. What “typical system” was abolished? This statement is extremely vague and the passages of support are from the NT and are therefore irrelevant because they didn’t come from G-d.
Every bit of what you copied and pasted from your doctrine is just that doctrine; none of it is based in what G-d said. Man created what you believe and it’s false!
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