Criticism of Muhammad

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 17 2010,17:38)

AS you said most of them are ignorant and ony believe in ALLAH.
so there for i believe that satan has 1.5 billion serving allah not the God of abraham.

Hi SF,

(Galatians 1:6-9 / 2Cor.11:14-15)
Yes their god 'allah' is none other than Lucifer, which is called Satan!
2Cor.4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom 'the god'(allah) of this world hath blinded the minds of
them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of
Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 17, 2010 at 6:36 pm#204560

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 17 2010,17:38)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 17 2010,01:38)

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If God selected Muhammad to recieve the revelation of the Quran his character had to be acceptable to God. The proff that he was/is a true prophet is from the fruit he produced because as Moses he destroyed all Idols and today there are 1.5 billion Pure Monotheists that exclusively worship THE GOD of Abraham that would still be worshiping Idols.

And while there is turbulence and violence today it does nothing to take away from that fact not to mention that according to the scriptures there MUST BE wars and rumours of wars.

So the answer to your question is yes, I do care about how Muhammad lived his life in such a way that God chose him

Hold your horses Bod,

dont go back what you said now,
you see thats why i like being clear,
and not playing games.

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No, I don't care and neither does Jesus

Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
John 8:14-16

Is this direct enough for you?

and now your saying that you care?
I dont understand?
How do you just change your mind.
wow your human after all.

how do you know what mohammed did in his life, if you dont read anything but the quran and the bible.
So tell me how do you learn about him,
where are your sources,
and we all know that this man did alot of crazy bad things after these “revelations.”

Prove to me that God chose him?
in what way was he speacial that God chose him?

What sources do you have to prove anything about Jesus, the Bible is a single source, so if you discount the Quran you have only one source to teach you anything about Jesus.

How do you know what Jesus did in his life enough to doubt what the Quran says about Jesus?

I don't know of any crazy bad things that Muhammad did can you inform me of such things?

God must have chose him if you believe in God otherwise would Satan have 1.5 billion people serving the God of Abraham?

Lol bod,

I congradulate you on your diversional tactic,

so you just wont answer my question,
which is it bod?
You see why i dont like games?

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God must have chose him if you believe in God otherwise would Satan have 1.5 billion people serving the God of Abraham?

AS you said most of them are ignorant and ony believe in ALLAH.
so there for i believe that satan has 1.5 billion serving allah not the God of abraham.

Then you make no sense because the bible clearly says:

If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
Matthew 12:25-27

and the Quran says:

If a suggestion from satan assail thy (mind), seek refuge with Allah. for He heareth and knoweth (all things).
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #200)

Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of satan.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #76)

satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #91)

So according to the Bible and the words of Jesus you are in great error

Mark 3:24 (New King James Version)
24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

You should repent for calling the God of Abraham “Satan”

I keep telling you to stop defaming God simply because you don't like Arabic the word “God” is german why don't you have a problem with that word?

Your blasphemy may be unintentional but you should pray to God who is ALLAH/YHVH and ask HIM for forgiveness for offending HIS Soverignty

July 17, 2010 at 7:00 pm#204564

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ July 17 2010,20:57)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 17 2010,17:38)

AS you said most of them are ignorant and ony believe in ALLAH.
so there for i believe that satan has 1.5 billion serving allah not the God of abraham.

Hi SF,

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

I thought I already taught you that the God of this world who blinds the mind is God Almighty so that can't be Satan

Exodus 4:11 (King James Version)

11And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

Who is blind but My servant, Or deaf as My messenger whom I send? Who is blind as he who is perfect, And blind as the LORD’s servant?
Isaiah 42:18-20

And Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may be made blind.”
John 9:38-40

I don't see satan doing any blinding in-fact according to Paul Jesus blinded him:

and Paul here is blinding someone:

Acts 13:9-11 (New King James Version)
9 Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him 10 and said, “O full of all deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease perverting the straight ways of the Lord? 11 And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be blind, not seeing the sun for a time.”
And immediately a dark mist fell on him, and he went around seeking someone to lead him by the hand.

Can you show me a verse where Satan is blinding anyone? I have shown you that God blinds those who he chooses so you should give up making Satan the God of this world if you know what's best.

And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Matthew 13:13-15

That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Mark 4:11-13

Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Acts 28:25-27

ED it is time you gave up your great affection for lucifer and stop calling him god and submit to God completely for ALLAH/YHVH is your God and my God and you shouldn't even be using YHVH because Jesus said Hallowed be thy name but you use it like it is common instead of Holy and Hallowed like Jesus taught so therefor you should say ALLAH or ALAHA or some other beautiful word like Most Merciful or Most Compassionate.

July 18, 2010 at 8:34 am#204722

Stu

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 15 2010,02:34)

Quote (Stu @ July 14 2010,23:02)

If you read what I wrote, you will see that I explained why incest is a bad idea.

Please tell us what you think suggestive behaviour from another animal species looks like. You appear to be experienced in this.

Stuart

You said incest was a bad idea because of genetics but in my statement I clarified that I was asking you do you approve of incest if the Mother or son or both were sterile, now you run from the question?

I told you I was taking you to task

Sure, Asana Asana Asana O great one.

Stuart

July 18, 2010 at 1:47 pm#204764

Participant

Quote (Stu @ July 18 2010,19:34)

Sure, Asana Asana Asana O great one.

Stuart

HA Ha ha ha !!!!!

July 19, 2010 at 1:11 am#204872

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Quote (bodhitharta @ July 17 2010,23:36)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 17 2010,17:38)

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And while there is turbulence and violence today it does nothing to take away from that fact not to mention that according to the scriptures there MUST BE wars and rumours of wars.

So the answer to your question is yes, I do care about how Muhammad lived his life in such a way that God chose him

Hold your horses Bod,

dont go back what you said now,
you see thats why i like being clear,
and not playing games.

You Said

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No, I don't care and neither does Jesus

Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
John 8:14-16

Is this direct enough for you?

and now your saying that you care?
I dont understand?
How do you just change your mind.
wow your human after all.

Prove to me that God chose him?
in what way was he speacial that God chose him?

What sources do you have to prove anything about Jesus, the Bible is a single source, so if you discount the Quran you have only one source to teach you anything about Jesus.

How do you know what Jesus did in his life enough to doubt what the Quran says about Jesus?

I don't know of any crazy bad things that Muhammad did can you inform me of such things?

God must have chose him if you believe in God otherwise would Satan have 1.5 billion people serving the God of Abraham?

Lol bod,

I congradulate you on your diversional tactic,

so you just wont answer my question,
which is it bod?
You see why i dont like games?

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God must have chose him if you believe in God otherwise would Satan have 1.5 billion people serving the God of Abraham?

AS you said most of them are ignorant and ony believe in ALLAH.
so there for i believe that satan has 1.5 billion serving allah not the God of abraham.

Then you make no sense because the bible clearly says:

If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
Matthew 12:25-27

and the Quran says:

If a suggestion from satan assail thy (mind), seek refuge with Allah. for He heareth and knoweth (all things).
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #200)

So according to the Bible and the words of Jesus you are in great error

Mark 3:24 (New King James Version)
24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

You should repent for calling the God of Abraham “Satan”

I keep telling you to stop defaming God simply because you don't like Arabic the word “God” is german why don't you have a problem with that word?

Your blasphemy may be unintentional but you should pray to God who is ALLAH/YHVH and ask HIM for forgiveness for offending HIS Soverignty

Your making a debate fallacy,

stating whats not been said.

I never said that the God of Abraham is Satan

but i do believe that Allah is not God.

so therefore YOU CLIAM that muslims follow the God of Abraham AND THATS GREAT! SO BE IT!

but as you also said that MOST OF THEM ARE IGNORANT!!

so 1.5millino people WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, SO THEREFORE I CONCLUDED THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWING ALLAH AND NOT ABARAHAM!

THANK YOU!!

July 19, 2010 at 1:31 am#204885

Participant

Hi SF,

34: He beholdeth all high things: he (allah) is a king over all the children of pride(like Anasa bodhitharta).
34=allah is Satan! (Job 41:34 / Gal.1:6-8 / 2Cor.11:14-16)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 19, 2010 at 1:36 am#204889

Participant

hmm to add, bod!!

YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT I DO NOT SPEAK OF ALLAH AS THE COMMON WORD IN ARABIC FOR GOD,
I AM SPEAKING OF ALLAH OF THE QURAN WHICH IS NOT THE SAME.

thank you,
just to clarify

July 19, 2010 at 1:53 am#204895

Participant

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 19 2010,12:36)

hmm to add, bod!!

YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT I DO NOT SPEAK OF ALLAH AS THE COMMON WORD IN ARABIC FOR GOD,
I AM SPEAKING OF ALLAH OF THE QURAN WHICH IS NOT THE SAME.

thank you,
just to clarify

Hi SF,

Of course we all know that!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 19, 2010 at 2:02 am#204897

Participant

Hi SF,

It's not a question of how the 'title'=66 “God” translates into Arabic.
It's a question of who God is? “YHVH”=63 is God of “The Bible”=63!
And 'the god' of the quran(allah) is Satan! (Click here) (Rev.13:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

July 19, 2010 at 6:41 am#204944

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 19 2010,12:11)

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 17 2010,23:36)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 17 2010,17:38)

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And while there is turbulence and violence today it does nothing to take away from that fact not to mention that according to the scriptures there MUST BE wars and rumours of wars.

So the answer to your question is yes, I do care about how Muhammad lived his life in such a way that God chose him

Hold your horses Bod,

dont go back what you said now,
you see thats why i like being clear,
and not playing games.

You Said

Quote

No, I don't care and neither does Jesus

Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
John 8:14-16

Is this direct enough for you?

and now your saying that you care?
I dont understand?
How do you just change your mind.
wow your human after all.

Prove to me that God chose him?
in what way was he speacial that God chose him?

What sources do you have to prove anything about Jesus, the Bible is a single source, so if you discount the Quran you have only one source to teach you anything about Jesus.

How do you know what Jesus did in his life enough to doubt what the Quran says about Jesus?

I don't know of any crazy bad things that Muhammad did can you inform me of such things?

God must have chose him if you believe in God otherwise would Satan have 1.5 billion people serving the God of Abraham?

Lol bod,

I congradulate you on your diversional tactic,

so you just wont answer my question,
which is it bod?
You see why i dont like games?

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God must have chose him if you believe in God otherwise would Satan have 1.5 billion people serving the God of Abraham?

AS you said most of them are ignorant and ony believe in ALLAH.
so there for i believe that satan has 1.5 billion serving allah not the God of abraham.

Then you make no sense because the bible clearly says:

If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
Matthew 12:25-27

and the Quran says:

If a suggestion from satan assail thy (mind), seek refuge with Allah. for He heareth and knoweth (all things).
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #200)

So according to the Bible and the words of Jesus you are in great error

Mark 3:24 (New King James Version)
24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

You should repent for calling the God of Abraham “Satan”

I keep telling you to stop defaming God simply because you don't like Arabic the word “God” is german why don't you have a problem with that word?

Your blasphemy may be unintentional but you should pray to God who is ALLAH/YHVH and ask HIM for forgiveness for offending HIS Soverignty

Your making a debate fallacy,

stating whats not been said.

I never said that the God of Abraham is Satan

but i do believe that Allah is not God.

so therefore YOU CLIAM that muslims follow the God of Abraham AND THATS GREAT! SO BE IT!

but as you also said that MOST OF THEM ARE IGNORANT!!

so 1.5millino people WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY DO NOT FOLLOW THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, SO THEREFORE I CONCLUDED THAT THEY ARE FOLLOWING ALLAH AND NOT ABARAHAM!

THANK YOU!!

I never said that most of them are ignorant so you must have misunderstood, but let me make it clear ALL MUslims worship The God and Religion of Abraham.

Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah (Which is Islam), and he joined not Gods with Allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #67)

Say: “Verily, my Lord hath guided me to a way that is straight,- a religion of right,- the path (trod) by Abraham the true in Faith, and he (certainly) joined not Gods with Allah.”
( سورة الأنعام , Al-Anaam, Chapter #6, Verse #161)

Abraham was indeed a model, devoutly obedient to Allah, (and) true in Faith, and he joined not Gods with Allah.
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #120)

There is no God but He: That is the witness of Allah, His angels, and those endued with knowledge, standing firm on justice. There is no God but He, the Exalted in Power, the Wise.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #18)

All Muslims worship the God of Moses:

Pharaoh said: “O Chiefs! no god do I know for you but myself: therefore, O Haman! light me a (kiln to bake bricks) out
of clay, and build me a lofty palace, that I may mount up to the God of Moses: but as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!”
( سورة القصص , Al-Qasas, Chapter #28, Verse #38)

So keep in mind that regardless of your ignorance of languages you are saying hateful things about the same God you worship simply because you obviously hate the Arabic language

July 19, 2010 at 6:45 am#204945

Participant

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 19 2010,12:36)

hmm to add, bod!!

YOU KNOW VERY WELL THAT I DO NOT SPEAK OF ALLAH AS THE COMMON WORD IN ARABIC FOR GOD,
I AM SPEAKING OF ALLAH OF THE QURAN WHICH IS NOT THE SAME.

thank you,
just to clarify

You can say that all you want but there is no other GOD but one and your ignorance of someone elses language is no excuse after they point out to you the facts. All Muslims worship the One and Only God and just the fact that you keep insisting there is another God is a sin in itself because it shows you just like ED don't really believe God when he says

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 43:9-11

All Muslims believe God when HE says that.

July 19, 2010 at 6:51 am#204946

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ July 19 2010,13:02)

Hi SF,

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

If you say that Allah is Satan can you show me where Satan claims to be The Only True God? Can you show me where Satan calls himself the God of Abraham or of Moses?

God said there are no other gods do you believe God or do you believe you?

ED is Lucifer=666 in english gematria

If you don't stop spreading false information I will write a short pdf book about you specifically highlighting your misinformation and exposing your sorcery

July 19, 2010 at 8:19 am#204951

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 19 2010,11:41)

I never said that most of them are ignorant so you must have misunderstood, but let me make it clear ALL MUslims worship The God and Religion of Abraham.

Abraham was indeed a model, devoutly obedient to Allah, (and) true in Faith, and he joined not Gods with Allah.
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #120)

All Muslims worship the God of Moses:

Pharaoh said: “O Chiefs! no god do I know for you but myself: therefore, O Haman! light me a (kiln to bake bricks) out of clay, and build me a lofty palace, that I may mount up to the God of Moses: but as far as I am concerned, I think (Moses) is a liar!”
( سورة القصص , Al-Qasas, Chapter #28, Verse #38)

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So keep in mind that regardless of your ignorance of languages you are saying hateful things about the same God you worship simply because you obviously hate the Arabic language

All Muslims believe God when HE says that.

BOD STOP STATING THINGS THAT I DID NOT SAY,
I NEVER SAID ANYTHING HATEFUL
I NEVER SAID I HATED THE ARABIC LANGUAGE

I WILL SAY THAT YOUR PSYCHO!
provide evidence right here and right now that i said that.
where did i state that i HATE THE ARABIC LANGUAGE?

show me please!
or admit your psycho, and apologize for your psychosis.

anyways!

yes you did say that!
do you not remember when i told you that not all muslims agree with you! and you said that like christians not all of them are dedicated, or wise in the quran and what not.

that means that some are ignorant.

you cannot possibly prove that just because someone says they are muslim that they know they serve the God of abramham,
i have asked muslims and they tell me that its not him.

so again i made my conclusion based on a better presumption than yours.

its not a fact that 1.5 million people agree with you.
its more probably that they disagree with you.
if that werent true than they wouldnt have a problem with israel.

I DONT HATE LANGUAGES. i study languages!

i clearly stated that i have nothing against the word usuage of ALLAH as a common term for God in the arabic lanague.
its like the usage of elohim in hebrew.

i have stated that im against the ALLAH of the quran.

stop beign ignorant and wake up.

do you want to be treated like a child?

can you repeat after me?

I SF AM NOT CONDEMNING THE ARABIC LANGAUGE, BUT I AM AGAINST THE ALLAH MENTIONED IN THE QURAN.

thank you,

can you stop being a heretic and go back to the main point..

WOW I CANT BELIEVE IT I HAVE BEEN FOOLED!
its amazing how we totally forgot the purpose of my orginal question!!
its amazing you totally diverted from what i was actually ASKING YOU!!

MR. I DONT CARE WHAT MOHAMMED DID IN HIS LIFE, OH WAIT I DO, OR I DONT!!

MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

July 19, 2010 at 2:42 pm#204973

Participant

The ALLAH mentioned in the Quran even Jews recognize it as being the same ALLAH of the Bible

But let me say this if the Quran is talking about another Allah and another Jesus it must be talking about another Children of Israel, Moses, David, Solomon, Adam and Eve, Another 6 days of creating the heavens and the earth virtually another everything now what sense would that make?

So you are against the Moses mentioned in the Quran, The Abraham mentioned in the Quran, The children of Israel mentioned in the Quran…etc?

I already said about Muhammad that God chose him and therefore his character is exemplary and you can have no other opinion on this matter simply because you could not know and I have already asked you in what ways do you even “think” Muhammad was evil or did evil and back that up with scripture describing such an act as evil but you didn't and cannot do that, can you?

If you cannot bring evidence then doesn't that ruin your case?

July 20, 2010 at 7:02 am#205070

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Quote (bodhitharta @ July 19 2010,19:42)

The ALLAH mentioned in the Quran even Jews recognize it as being the same ALLAH of the Bible

So you are against the Moses mentioned in the Quran, The Abraham mentioned in the Quran, The children of Israel mentioned in the Quran…etc?

If you cannot bring evidence then doesn't that ruin your case?

As i said,
Im against the Quran.

I believe the strories are counterfiets.
they look the same, the feel the same, even common foundations, but are comepelty different.

Its not the same Jesus of the bible nor any other characters.
—
2. Mohhamed.

NO MY POINT IS THAT ITS FACT THAT HE DID EVIL THINGS, AND DID QUESTIONABLE THINGS!
like marrying a child and the other things he did and what not.

MY ACTUALLY POINT AND FOCUS WAS WHETHER
if you cared about his testimony or not.

which at first you said that you didnt,
and now your saying that he did,

which is it.

I DONT BELIEVE GOD CHOSE HIM, so thats not fact.

in the history of Mohammmed, he did SO many questionable things.
i already stated all those things AS THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD!!

my point was wheter that mattered to you or not,

and you try to avoid the question and try to look at me like an ignorant person, and you look at me like i dont understand you, when i corner you with such a simple question.

Does it matter to you?

and if Does or doesnt? why couldnt you answer that HONESTLY before you started playing both sides.

July 20, 2010 at 7:56 am#205075

Participant

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ July 20 2010,18:02)

As i said,
Im against the Quran.

I believe the strories are counterfiets.
they look the same, the feel the same, even common foundations, but are comepelty different.

Its not the same Jesus of the bible nor any other characters.

Hi SF,

And especially ('the god' of the quran is) not the same God!
Prob.3:33: The 'curse'=66 of the LORD is in the house of
the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.

YHVH's blessings
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

July 20, 2010 at 1:15 pm#205129

theodorej

Participant

Greetings B….Just before the fall, Lucifer was desirous to be as the most High and because of pride he rebelled against the authority of God and was cast from the heavenly realm to earth along with his minions appx 1/3 of the angelic host….The very first sin was committed ….The Sin of Pride…BTW those minions are spirits and still do the bidding for the adversary…One of their principal vehicles for promoting evil is man and his pride…

July 20, 2010 at 1:26 pm#205131

theodorej

Participant

Quote (bodhitharta @ July 20 2010,01:42)

The ALLAH mentioned in the Quran even Jews recognize it as being the same ALLAH of the Bible

So you are against the Moses mentioned in the Quran, The Abraham mentioned in the Quran, The children of Israel mentioned in the Quran…etc?

If you cannot bring evidence then doesn't that ruin your case?

Greetings B….You make a good argument with respect to the Quran vs. Bible with respect to Abraham,Moses and the children of Israel(all 12 tribes..not just Judah)…My question is How do we know that it was God who spoke to mohamed? Were there any supernatural events or miracles associated with his visions…

July 20, 2010 at 1:46 pm#205137