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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2010,15:08) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,14:44) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2010,12:50) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,11:10) one should study the scriptures themselves
Their NOT taught to read “The Bible”.
Yes they are, I thought you knew that.If you spend just a little more time actually reading what the Quran says you would understand pefectly.
If what you are saying were true it wouldn't be a death sentence to convert to Christianity.
They would also be in harmony with each other, which of course they are NOT!
The Bible is from GOD, while the other is from the 'accuser'.
As I said you should read the Quran for yourself, speculation and accusations are just not gonna get it.Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 31 2010,22:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,11:10) The terrorist group called the Ku Klux Klan who considers themselves a Christian group have been responsible for the burnings and lynchings and bombings of so many Blacks and other minorities and todaythese types of racist terror grousp are still active. I think thay are Ignorant “Christians” who have not studied for themselves but got involved in the rantings of mad men.
I agree. There are ignorant religious fanatics in all branches of the Abrahamic faith that use there interpretation of their holy words to carry out their own missguided brutal agendas.Why did not God inspire a a more easily understood book.
Too many lazy, illiterate, and even moderately literate individuals are left to depend on the rantings of mad men to decipher their holy book for them.Tim
Because Good and Evil are not alike and Truth stands out clear from error therefore a persons own lust of result causes them to bring forth sin.It's not the books or the religion it's the state of the individual.
No one is left to depend on the rantings of mad men because the mad man is only exploiting the weaknesses already present in the people who listen to him.
Had they trusted in God and not men they would not have erred.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,12:08) Had they trusted in God and not men they would not have erred.
If mankind can trust in any gods, why do we need old books written by other men as guides as opposed to active involvement of said gods in the lives of humanity?Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,05:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,12:08) Had they trusted in God and not men they would not have erred.
If mankind can trust in any gods, why do we need old books written by other men as guides as opposed to active involvement of said gods in the lives of humanity?
There are no gods and the written communication of books is the standard of learning we still use today so I would say that's preety effective involvement.Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,13:03) There are no gods and the written communication of books is the standard of learning we still use today so I would say that's preety effective involvement.
But books are updated if the subject matter is still relevant. Old books are left behind as new ones take their place. The only exception seems to be in fiction, such as Shakespeare or Canterbury Tales. Are you saying that the various ancient religious texts are fiction then?Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,06:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,13:03) There are no gods and the written communication of books is the standard of learning we still use today so I would say that's preety effective involvement.
But books are updated if the subject matter is still relevant. Old books are left behind as new ones take their place. The only exception seems to be in fiction, such as Shakespeare or Canterbury Tales. Are you saying that the various ancient religious texts are fiction then?
No, I am saying they emenate from the same God.For instance The Torah and the Prophets were before The Gospels and then The Quran this is not to leave out
The rig veda, Bhagavad Gita or any other Sacred text and hence with the invention of the printing press these books reach whoever wants to study them.I use the Abrahamic text most as an example because with those faiths God uses a negative to prove a positive.
The Torah shows the way to live and then goes to show the constant disobedience of the very same people it was delivered to hence the term a “peculiar people” The Gospels show that to assist those peculiar people he will then have a foolish nation drive them to jealousy (Christianity) Hence things like the divinity of Christ and the trinity are foolish beliefs to an orthodox Jew and hence because they are foolish they would be like those at the tower of Babel being that they have so many denominations and beliefs and hence when they started putting enimity amongst themselves Islam was sent down as a clarity of all that happened before and to clarify the right way.
So what of the religions/sects that came after Islam that claim the same god? B'hai, Latter Day Saints, Urantia? If the latest and greatest is more valid — as you seem to be saying since Islam came after Judaism and Christianity — then you should move on to them it seems.
Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,07:14) So what of the religions/sects that came after Islam that claim the same god? B'hai, Latter Day Saints, Urantia? If the latest and greatest is more valid — as you seem to be saying since Islam came after Judaism and Christianity — then you should move on to them it seems.
It's not whatever is the latest but whatever comes has to confirm the previous scriptures. Christianity confirms the Torah and Islam confirms The Torah and The Gospel it actually ties them together explaining to the Jews that Christ was in-fact their awaited Messiah and explaining to the Christians that they fractured and changed what was taught to them.As far as the Latter day saints go there book did not confirm what was before it and more importantly it does not confirm the Quran, although I know they have nothing against Muslims that is not the point it would have had to confirm the Quran.
B'hai is similar to what I'm saying as speaking about progressive revelation however B'hai is not really a new religion but is based in Islam and should have simply not become a sect as that is prohibited.
Urantia once again does not confirm nor even seemed to anticipate the success of Islam it also does not confirm the Torah
In the Quran religion was perfected and I will say that books based on that perfection are exremely beneficial but they should not be new religions or sects of religions.
Unity is Religion
Quote (TimothyVI @ Jan. 31 2010,22:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,11:10) The terrorist group called the Ku Klux Klan who considers themselves a Christian group have been responsible for the burnings and lynchings and bombings of so many Blacks and other minorities and todaythese types of racist terror grousp are still active. I think thay are Ignorant “Christians” who have not studied for themselves but got involved in the rantings of mad men.
I agree. There are ignorant religious fanatics in all branches of the Abrahamic faith that use there interpretation of their holy words to carry out their own missguided brutal agendas.Why did not God inspire a a more easily understood book.
Too many lazy, illiterate, and even moderately literate individuals are left to depend on the rantings of mad men to decipher their holy book for them.Tim
I agree,Suicide bombers cannot be understood it is really wrong what they do, theyre not following their Religeon. Nor are those teaching them those things.
“There will be leaders who will not be led by my guidance and who will not adopt my ways. There will be among them men who will have the hearts of devils in the bodies of human beings.” ( Book 20,Hadith # 4554 )
“By God, he is not a true believer,
from whose mischief his neighbors do not feel secure.”
Prophet Mohammed (Bukhari, Muslim)… If anyone slew a person unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole humanity.” (Al-Qur'an 5:32)
And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely Allah is Most Merciful to you.(Holy Quran,4,29)
They do need to read their books! Also it is forbidden in warfare/defence to kill elderly, woman, child, person in Religeous service etc, which is what suicide bombers are doing.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,14:41) It's not whatever is the latest but whatever comes has to confirm the previous scriptures. Christianity confirms the Torah and Islam confirms The Torah and The Gospel it actually ties them together explaining to the Jews that Christ was in-fact their awaited Messiah and explaining to the Christians that they fractured and changed what was taught to them. Are you a comedian? If so, your jokes are flat. Islam does not confirm Christianity, it denies it. It says Jesus did not die on the cross, which is a major tenet of Christianity.
Quote As far as the Latter day saints go there book did not confirm what was before it and more importantly it does not confirm the Quran, although I know they have nothing against Muslims that is not the point it would have had to confirm the Quran. B'hai is similar to what I'm saying as speaking about progressive revelation however B'hai is not really a new religion but is based in Islam and should have simply not become a sect as that is prohibited.
What about Sunni and Shia?
Quote Urantia once again does not confirm nor even seemed to anticipate the success of Islam it also does not confirm the Torah Another flat joke. Islam does not confirm anything before it, it denies. It tries to say it is better.
Quote In the Quran religion was perfected and I will say that books based on that perfection are exremely beneficial but they should not be new religions or sects of religions. Unity is Religion
Does God speak and write only in Arabic? Seems he wrote in Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek too. Too bad English wasn't one of the languages he knows.Unless he is dead…
Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,08:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,14:41) It's not whatever is the latest but whatever comes has to confirm the previous scriptures. Christianity confirms the Torah and Islam confirms The Torah and The Gospel it actually ties them together explaining to the Jews that Christ was in-fact their awaited Messiah and explaining to the Christians that they fractured and changed what was taught to them. Are you a comedian? If so, your jokes are flat. Islam does not confirm Christianity, it denies it. It says Jesus did not die on the cross, which is a major tenet of Christianity.
Quote As far as the Latter day saints go there book did not confirm what was before it and more importantly it does not confirm the Quran, although I know they have nothing against Muslims that is not the point it would have had to confirm the Quran. B'hai is similar to what I'm saying as speaking about progressive revelation however B'hai is not really a new religion but is based in Islam and should have simply not become a sect as that is prohibited.
What about Sunni and Shia?
Quote Urantia once again does not confirm nor even seemed to anticipate the success of Islam it also does not confirm the Torah Another flat joke. Islam does not confirm anything before it, it denies. It tries to say it is better.
Quote In the Quran religion was perfected and I will say that books based on that perfection are exremely beneficial but they should not be new religions or sects of religions. Unity is Religion
Does God speak and write only in Arabic? Seems he wrote in Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek too. Too bad English wasn't one of the languages he knows.Unless he is dead…
Islam does confirm Christianity:It confirms the virgin birth of Jesus
It confirms that Jesus is The Christ
It confirms that Jesus was sentenced to be crucified
It confirms that Jesus was permitted to do miracle by the power of GodIt confirms that those who sincerely follow Jesus will receive salvation
It confirms that Jesus will be returning
It confirms that Jesus ascended to Heaven to be in the presence of GodThese are confirmations that the Jews and others denied.
As far as the crucifixion it explains how God saved his servant from the plot and in doing that also confirms the plot itself.
As far as being the “Son” of God it confirms that there is no trinity or no sireship i.e. unlike the greek myths God does not saire children nor does he have consorts or wives to procreate children this clarifies that sonship to those who are pious are called sons because of their love for God and not because God procreates. God is Creato above all
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,18:58) Islam does confirm Christianity: Then why are you here, debating with Christians?
Quote It confirms the virgin birth of Jesus
It confirms that Jesus is The Christ
It confirms that Jesus was sentenced to be crucified
It confirms that Jesus was permitted to do miracle by the power of GodIt denies that Jesus died on the cross. It denies that Jesus rose after death. It denies that Jesus was the literal son of Yahweh.
Quote It confirms that those who sincerely follow Jesus will receive salvation Then Islam is unnecessary. Christianity is what you should be preaching.
Quote It confirms that Jesus will be returning
It confirms that Jesus ascended to Heaven to be in the presence of GodThese are confirmations that the Jews and others denied.
As far as the crucifixion it explains how God saved his servant from the plot and in doing that also confirms the plot itself.
What plot?
Quote As far as being the “Son” of God it confirms that there is no trinity or no sireship i.e. unlike the greek myths God does not saire children nor does he have consorts or wives to procreate children this clarifies that sonship to those who are pious are called sons because of their love for God and not because God procreates. God is Creato above all
Tell the Christians. Oh wait, you say Islam confirms Christianity…Quote (kejonn @ Feb. 01 2010,13:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 31 2010,18:58) Islam does confirm Christianity: Then why are you here, debating with Christians?
Quote It confirms the virgin birth of Jesus
It confirms that Jesus is The Christ
It confirms that Jesus was sentenced to be crucified
It confirms that Jesus was permitted to do miracle by the power of GodIt denies that Jesus died on the cross. It denies that Jesus rose after death. It denies that Jesus was the literal son of Yahweh.
Quote It confirms that those who sincerely follow Jesus will receive salvation Then Islam is unnecessary. Christianity is what you should be preaching.
Quote It confirms that Jesus will be returning
It confirms that Jesus ascended to Heaven to be in the presence of GodThese are confirmations that the Jews and others denied.
As far as the crucifixion it explains how God saved his servant from the plot and in doing that also confirms the plot itself.
What plot?
Quote As far as being the “Son” of God it confirms that there is no trinity or no sireship i.e. unlike the greek myths God does not saire children nor does he have consorts or wives to procreate children this clarifies that sonship to those who are pious are called sons because of their love for God and not because God procreates. God is Creato above all
Tell the Christians. Oh wait, you say Islam confirms Christianity…
It doesn't just deny that Jesus died on the cross it explains that he didn't die on the cross because ALLAH saved him from death according to the prophecy that the Messiah would not rot in the grave. They certainly did plot to Kill the Messiah but ALLAH also plotted and HE is the best at those who make plans.Islam is Christianity is Judaism when practiced properly.
Pay attention Judaism is the name of the tribe of Judah of those that remained faithful to the Torah, Christianity is the following of the Jewish Messiah whom we call Jesus Christ and Islam is both the religion of Abraham that became Judaism and is the religion of Christians that follow Christ and submit to God as Christ did. Islam is submission to God in peace.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,11:58) 1) It confirms the virgin birth of Jesus
2) It confirms that Jesus is The Christ
3) It confirms that Jesus was sentenced to be crucified
As far as the crucifixion it explains how God saved his servant from the plot and in doing that also confirms the plot itself.
4) It confirms that Jesus was permitted to do miracle by the power of God
5) It confirms that those who sincerely follow Jesus will receive salvation
6) It confirms that Jesus will be returning
7) It confirms that Jesus ascended to Heaven to be in the presence of God
1) Needs No confirmation
2) Denies Jesus is the Christ
3) Denies The Gospel
4) Needs no permission
5) Then you should Follow Jesus to receive “Salvation”! “The Savior”=117
6) Jesus returned at Pentecost; a FACT you continue to deny.
7) Matt.24:23-26 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ,
or there(in Heaven now); believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs,
and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that,
if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth:
behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.“The Savior”=117 is “GOD The Father”=117; who is known in the Hebrew tongue as
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm, and there is NO other! (Isaiah 43:11)
This is true “Bible Truth”=117; you continually spouting satanic lies does NOT change “Truth”.Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2010,14:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,11:58)
6) It confirms that Jesus will be returning
7) It confirms that Jesus ascended to Heaven to be in the presence of God6) Jesus returned at Pentecost; a FACT you continue to deny.
7) Matt.24:23-26 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ,
or there(in Heaven now); believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs,
and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that,
if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth:
behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Ed, so where is Jesus now?Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2010,14:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,11:58) 1) It confirms the virgin birth of Jesus
2) It confirms that Jesus is The Christ
3) It confirms that Jesus was sentenced to be crucified
As far as the crucifixion it explains how God saved his servant from the plot and in doing that also confirms the plot itself.
4) It confirms that Jesus was permitted to do miracle by the power of God
5) It confirms that those who sincerely follow Jesus will receive salvation
6) It confirms that Jesus will be returning
7) It confirms that Jesus ascended to Heaven to be in the presence of God
1) Needs No confirmation
2) Denies Jesus is the Christ
3) Denies The Gospel
4) Needs no permission
5) Then you should Follow Jesus to receive “Salvation”! “The Savior”=117
6) Jesus returned at Pentecost; a FACT you continue to deny.
7) Matt.24:23-26 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ,
or there(in Heaven now); believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs,
and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that,
if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth:
behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.“The Savior”=117 is “GOD The Father”=117; who is known in the Hebrew tongue as
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm, and there is NO other! (Isaiah 43:11)
This is true “Bible Truth”=117; you continually spouting satanic lies does NOT change “Truth”.
Can you show me where in The Quran is denies that Jesus is The Christ?Why do you just say anything without thinking?
Also why did you say that Jesus didn't need permission to perform Miracles when the HOLY BIBLE says all authority he had was GIVEN to him from God Almighty.
Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 01 2010,18:11) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2010,14:36) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,11:58)
6) It confirms that Jesus will be returning
7) It confirms that Jesus ascended to Heaven to be in the presence of God6) Jesus returned at Pentecost; a FACT you continue to deny.
7) Matt.24:23-26 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ,
or there(in Heaven now); believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs,
and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that,
if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth:
behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Ed, so where is Jesus now?
Hi Karmarie,You too can have your own personal “Pentecost”=117.
Heb:9:28: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them
that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.John14:23: Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man(or woman) love me, he will keep my words:
and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him(Pentecost), and make our abode with him.Rev.3:18-22 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich;
and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear;
and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten:
be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice,
and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh
will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.Isaiah 55:1-2 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters,
and he that hath no money; come ye, buy(Gold tried in the fire),
and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread?
and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me,
and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD)YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,07:41) B'hai is similar to what I'm saying as speaking about progressive revelation however B'hai is not really a new religion but is based in Islam and should have simply not become a sect as that is prohibited.
How can it be 'prohibited' if there is no compulsion in religion?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2010,19:22) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 01 2010,07:41) B'hai is similar to what I'm saying as speaking about progressive revelation however B'hai is not really a new religion but is based in Islam and should have simply not become a sect as that is prohibited.
How can it be 'prohibited' if there is no compulsion in religion?Stuart
We are talking about two different things here, There is no compulsion in religion and ultimately religion itself should be unified with no sects or divisions.
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