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Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 11 2010,00:59) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 10 2010,05:01) bod it looks that EDJ shows reality of what really happen,because your ignorance of the true fact ,do not represent your reality ,
sheat,lies,deceit,brutality,is the history of Islam no?
Get back to me when you actually read the TorahGenesis 34:12-14 (King James Version)
12Ask me never so much dowry and gift, and I will give according as ye shall say unto me: but give me the damsel to wife.
13And the sons of Jacob answered Shechem and Hamor his father deceitfully, and said, because he had defiled Dinah their sister:
14And they said unto them, We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us:Genesis 34:24-25 (King James Version)
24And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city; and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city.
25And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.READ before you criticize otherwise it makes you look very silly
bodif we could would you fallow me in that time in order to understand what live was all about,
may be that's were the muslims have
taken there honor killing;?you do not see the improvement in God chose people after Christ teachings??
going from carnal living to spiritual living
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 10 2010,18:15) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 11 2010,00:59) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 10 2010,05:01) bod it looks that EDJ shows reality of what really happen,because your ignorance of the true fact ,do not represent your reality ,
sheat,lies,deceit,brutality,is the history of Islam no?
Get back to me when you actually read the TorahGenesis 34:12-14 (King James Version)
12Ask me never so much dowry and gift, and I will give according as ye shall say unto me: but give me the damsel to wife.
13And the sons of Jacob answered Shechem and Hamor his father deceitfully, and said, because he had defiled Dinah their sister:
14And they said unto them, We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us:Genesis 34:24-25 (King James Version)
24And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city; and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city.
25And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.READ before you criticize otherwise it makes you look very silly
bodif we could would you fallow me in that time in order to understand what live was all about,
may be that's were the muslims have
taken there honor killing;?you do not see the improvement in God chose people after Christ teachings??
going from carnal living to spiritual living
Pierre
The increase of porn and porn related material is in all of the largest Countries that are dominated by Christians.The increase of Gambling is in all of the largest countries that are dominated by Christians.
http://www.prisoners.com/relcrime.html
The more “Christian” a place is, the greater the social ills and crime of the area. That's the primary conclusion of an exhaustive scientific study done by Gregory S. Paul and published in the scholarly onling journal, Journal of Religion and Science of the Creighton university of Omaha, Nebraska, a Jesuit school.
The study showed that the most “Christian' parts of the United States, the South and Midwest, have the highest rates of social ills and crime including murder, sexually transmitted diseases, mortality and so forth. The study also showed that the United States as a whole has far higher rates of crime and social ills than the rest of the developed world including all of Europe. The US is much more “Christian” than civilized nations.So how is that going from carnal to Spiritual?
I finally see what you mean, to you spirituality is about permissiveness of ill behaviour.
Hey if you want to have sex with someones wife and she's cool with it, it's all good to you, right?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 11 2010,00:55) You asked who is the prophet and Jesus said he is not so what now you don't believe Jesus himself? The jews say: “The christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the christians say: “The jews have naught (To stand) upon.” Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #113)They say: “Become jews or christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #135)Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were jews or christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah. Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah. but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #140)(Both) the jews and the christians say: “We are sons of Allah, and his beloved.” Say: “Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #18)The jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah.s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #30)
bodthose verses do not make sense if you question them,but of cause you can not question the words of the prophet ,they are the words of Allah ,no??
and it does not answer the question;that Muslims read both Koran and Bible they don't the bible is discredited in favor of the Koran that is in the verses of the Koran
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 10 2010,18:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 11 2010,00:55) You asked who is the prophet and Jesus said he is not so what now you don't believe Jesus himself? The jews say: “The christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the christians say: “The jews have naught (To stand) upon.” Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #113)They say: “Become jews or christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #135)Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were jews or christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah. Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah. but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #140)(Both) the jews and the christians say: “We are sons of Allah, and his beloved.” Say: “Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #18)The jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah.s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #30)
bodthose verses do not make sense if you question them,but of cause you can not question the words of the prophet ,they are the words of Allah ,no??
and it does not answer the question;that Muslims read both Koran and Bible they don't the bible is discredited in favor of the Koran that is in the verses of the Koran
Pierre
The Quran and the Bible say mostly all the same things.Love God with all your heart , soul and mind and Love your neighbor as you love yourself.
If you don't know that you have not read the Quran
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 10 2010,00:24) Bod, where does it say in the Quran that one must study BOTH books and allah will reveal the truth between them
u didnt answer my question, I cant find it in the quran, it says something like study both and allah wil give the interptationQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 11 2010,12:34) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 10 2010,00:24) Bod, where does it say in the Quran that one must study BOTH books and allah will reveal the truth between them
u didnt answer my question, I cant find it in the quran, it says something like study both and allah wil give the interptation
Here is a Quran search engineQuote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 11 2010,08:54) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 11 2010,12:34) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 10 2010,00:24) Bod, where does it say in the Quran that one must study BOTH books and allah will reveal the truth between them
u didnt answer my question, I cant find it in the quran, it says something like study both and allah wil give the interptation
Here is a Quran search engine
I looked already cant find itQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 11 2010,15:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 11 2010,08:54) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 11 2010,12:34) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 10 2010,00:24) Bod, where does it say in the Quran that one must study BOTH books and allah will reveal the truth between them
u didnt answer my question, I cant find it in the quran, it says something like study both and allah wil give the interptation
Here is a Quran search engine
I looked already cant find it
I really can't recall that exact statement, is this it?To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah. it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #48)or…
Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things.
( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #17)or…
Say: “O Allah. Creator of the heavens and the earth! Knower of all that is hidden and open! it is Thou that wilt judge between Thy Servants in those matters about which they have differed.”
( سورة الزمر , Az-Zumar, Chapter #39, Verse #46)To All,
What will happen to those who do not hear “That Prophet”?
Acts:3:23: And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will
not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.Who is that prophet?
John the Baptist…
John 1:21: And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias?
And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.Jesus called the Christ…
John 6:14: Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did,
said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.Jesus lineage explained
“Son of Man”: 25%; Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
“Son of Man”: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
“Son of God”: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35)Birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)!
Baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14)Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…
Mother Father
Mary HolySpirit
50% 50%
\ /
\ /
Jesus
/ \
/ \
/ \
Son of Man Son of God
(Mark 6:3) (Luke 1:35)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2010,18:53) To All, What will happen to those who do not hear “That Prophet”?
Acts:3:23: And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will
not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.Who is that prophet?
John the Baptist…
John 1:21: And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias?
And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.Jesus called the Christ…
John 6:14: Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did,
said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.Jesus lineage explained
“Son of Man”: 25%; Mary's mother's lineage was of the tribe of Levi. (Luke 1:5, 1:36)
“Son of Man”: 25%: Mary's father's lineage was (Judah) through Nathan(son of David). (Luke 3:23-31)
“Son of God”: 50%: Jesus' Father was the “HolySpirit”; NOT Joseph! (Mathew 1:18 / Mathew 1:20 / Luke 1:35)Birth: Jesus was 50% HolySpirit(God)(Matt.1:18 / Matt.1:20 / Luke 1:35), 25% Levite(Priest) and 25% Judah(King)!
Baptism by John the baptizer, Jesus was filled with the HolySpirit(God) beyond measure! (John 3:34 / John 1:14)Here is why Jesus is called both the “Son of Man” and the “Son of God”…
Mother Father
Mary HolySpirit
50% 50%
\ /
\ /
Jesus
/ \
/ \
/ \
Son of Man Son of God
(Mark 6:3) (Luke 1:35)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Jesus was 100% Human just like Adam was. Adam didn't have a Mother or Father so either you must call Adam 100% the Son of God or call Jesus the same as AdamBod is right.
Adam was the first 'Son of God', Son of God by the Flesh.He was the greatest creation of God.
Jesus is the second Adam, the second 'Son of God' by the flesh (Refinement for Mikeboll).
When Jesus proved himself resistant to sin and obedient unto death, God raised him up, begot him as Firstborn by rank, over Adam, the first-born by order of coming into being.
Can someone quickly answer this question…
Where was 'Jesus' when the great creation was completed and 'The Stars sang together, and the Angels shouted with joy'?Was 'Jesus' one of the 'Stars' or 'one of the 'Angels'?
Or did Jesus not sing nor shout with joy?
Only quick answers requested.
Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 13 2010,07:26) Can someone quickly answer this question…
Where was 'Jesus' when the great creation was completed and 'The Stars sang together, and the Angels shouted with joy'?Was 'Jesus' one of the 'Stars' or 'one of the 'Angels'?
Or did Jesus not sing nor shout with joy?
Only quick answers requested.
Hi JustAskin,First you need to quote Scripture correctly…
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together,
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?Jesus must have been one of the [בני ה אלהים] Beni Ha-Eloheem.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Bod, Paul here, the one who wrote the paper Dennison quoted from to start off this thread. I have replied to your comments, below:
Quote from our paper, “Who Is That Prophet? Part 1”: “1) Muhammad was not from among the brethren of Israel.”
Bod: “‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 16:12)
“‘And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 25:18)
“The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. Likewise, Muhammad is from among the brethren of the Israelites, because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham.”
Me: That’s not what the Scripture I quoted says (Romans 9:7). Muhammad was not a Jew, according to God’s definition, either in the flesh or the spirit.
As for Ishmael dwelling in the presence of his brethren, those with whom he dwelt weren’t the brothers of Isaac and his son, Israel. Neither did Ishmael live in their presence. He was sent away and became another people, as God said to Abraham:
“And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall father twelve chiefs, and I will make him a great nation. But I will establish My covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this set time in the next year” (Genesis 17:20-21 MKJV).
Quote from our paper: “2) Muhammad did no signs and miracles, while Moses did many.”
Bod: “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:23-25”
Me: So what? Just because there are the false that do great signs, doesn’t mean there aren’t the true who do great miracles, which you seem to be implying.
God established Moses in the sight of Israel through many miraculous works, whereas Muhammad had none. And this is just one of many fundamental and crucial differences between Moses and Muhammad, as listed in the article.
Quote from our paper: “3) Muhammad allegedly heard from the angel Gabriel, and by his own admission, did not claim to speak face to face with God as Moses had ('whom the LORD knew face to face').”
Bod: “This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
Acts 7:34-36“And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
Acts 7:29-31″Me: What is your point? By Whose hand do you think Moses delivered the children of Israel? It was by God’s hand:
Exodus 3:7-8 KJV
(7) And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;
(8) And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.The Angel of the Lord IS God, His manifestation to man. There weren’t two entities at the bush, only the one true God speaking as quoted above.
“And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I” (Exodus 3:4 KJV).
Our point is that not only did Muhammad not hear from God or speak with Him face to face, he also never heard from the angel Gabriel. The angel Gabriel told Mary the following:
“He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest” (Luke 1:32 MKJV).
“And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit shall come on you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you. Therefore also that Holy One which will be born of you shall be called Son of God” (Luke 1:35 MKJV).
But the entity that Muhammad heard from told him that God has no Son. From the Koran:
[4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
The LORD (not “Allah”) is only one God. There are not three. And the LORD came in the flesh, as a human being, known as the Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who was crucified and raised His Own body from the dead, proving He was God.
Therefore, if Muhammad heard from anything at all, then he heard from a devil, and not the angel Gabriel, who wouldn’t contradict his own words, lying against the truth and the One he serves.
Quote from our paper: “4) Surer yet are the fruits of Muhammad’s 'prophetic' office”
Bod: “Eliminated Idol worship and Instilled the Monotheistic belief in ONE GOD”
Me: “You believe that there is one God, you do well; even the demons believe and tremble” (James 2:19 MKJV).
Belief in the one true God is not enough, but you have not even begun to do well, because you believe in an imposter, Allah, following his false prophet.
Worshipping a false god, the Muslims have many idols. Like all unregenerate men without Christ, they worship anything but God. For starters, they worship a man who is not God. They worship “Allah,” a devil or devilish invention of that man. They worship a stone in Mecca. They worship Mecca. They worship their religion and a form of worship. They worship hatred and victimhood. They worship the carnal appetites as their reward in heaven. They worship death, the vehicle to their supposed reward. Above all, they worship all these things because they worship themselves, which is at the heart of all idolatry. For this reason, you are a great idolater and antiChrist, because you have replaced Christ as your lord and savior.
Quote from our paper: “5) Muhammad did not come pronouncing the only Name given to men whereby they must be saved, which is Jesus Christ and not Allah.”
Bod: “Behold! the angels said: O Mary! allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of allah aught but the truth. christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for allah is one allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)“In blasphemy indeed are those that say that allah is christ the son of Mary. Say: Who then hath the least power against allah, if His will were to destroy christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For allah hath power over all things.
( سورة ال
605;ائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)”Me: These Koranic verses only prove our point. The Koran denies Jesus Christ is God, by which it proves that “Allah” is not God, but a devil impersonating God.
Quote from our paper: “6) When the prophet like Moses comes, it will be at the return of Christ to restore all things, as prophesied by Peter on the day the disciples received the Spirit of Christ (Pentecost):”
Bod: “'And this is the witness of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who are you? And he confessed and did not deny, but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Are you Elijah? And he says, I am not. Are you that prophet? And he answered, No'
(John 1:19-21 MKJV).“Who is that Prophet?”
Me: Right. John wasn’t that prophet. But he was a prophet of God, whereas Muhammad was not. Read “Who is that Prophet? Part 2” http://thepathoftruth.com/teachings/thatprophet2.htm
Bod: “————–
“Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”Me: Jesus Christ is the Creator, the Father, the One Who was with Israel in the wilderness:
“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ” (1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV)
Who is from before Abraham:
“Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM!” (John 8:58 MKJV)
And Whom all men will worship:
Philippians 2:5-11 MKJV
(5) For let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
(6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God,
(7) but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.
(8) And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(9) Therefore God has highly exalted Him, and has given Him a Name which is above every name,
(10) that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly ones, and of earthly ones, and of ones under the earth;
(11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.Amen!
Paul Cohen
Hi Paul,
I did read much on Victor Hafichuk's website,
glad to welcome you to h-net!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (PaulCohen @ Oct. 21 2010,10:58) Hi Bod, Paul here, the one who wrote the paper Dennison quoted from to start off this thread. I have replied to your comments, below: Quote from our paper, “Who Is That Prophet? Part 1”: “1) Muhammad was not from among the brethren of Israel.”
Bod: “‘And he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 16:12)
“‘And he (Ishmael) died in the presence of all his brethren.’ (Genesis 25:18)
“The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. Likewise, Muhammad is from among the brethren of the Israelites, because he was a descendant of Ishmael the son of Abraham.”
Me: That’s not what the Scripture I quoted says (Romans 9:7). Muhammad was not a Jew, according to God’s definition, either in the flesh or the spirit.
As for Ishmael dwelling in the presence of his brethren, those with whom he dwelt weren’t the brothers of Isaac and his son, Israel. Neither did Ishmael live in their presence. He was sent away and became another people, as God said to Abraham:
“And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall father twelve chiefs, and I will make him a great nation. But I will establish My covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this set time in the next year” (Genesis 17:20-21 MKJV).
Quote from our paper: “2) Muhammad did no signs and miracles, while Moses did many.”
Bod: “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:23-25”
Me: So what? Just because there are the false that do great signs, doesn’t mean there aren’t the true who do great miracles, which you seem to be implying.
God established Moses in the sight of Israel through many miraculous works, whereas Muhammad had none. And this is just one of many fundamental and crucial differences between Moses and Muhammad, as listed in the article.
Quote from our paper: “3) Muhammad allegedly heard from the angel Gabriel, and by his own admission, did not claim to speak face to face with God as Moses had ('whom the LORD knew face to face').”
Bod: “This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush.
Acts 7:34-36“And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
Acts 7:29-31″Me: What is your point? By Whose hand do you think Moses delivered the children of Israel? It was by God’s hand:
Exodus 3:7-8 KJV
(7) And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows;
(8) And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.The Angel of the Lord IS God, His manifestation to man. There weren’t two entities at the bush, only the one true God speaking as quoted above.
“And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I” (Exodus 3:4 KJV).
Our point is that not only did Muhammad not hear from God or speak with Him face to face, he also never heard from the angel Gabriel. The angel Gabriel told Mary the following:
“He shall be great and shall be called the Son of the Highest” (Luke 1:32 MKJV).
“And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit shall come on you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you. Therefore also that Holy One which will be born of you shall be called Son of God” (Luke 1:35 MKJV).
But the entity that Muhammad heard from told him that God has no Son. From the Koran:
[4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
The LORD (not “Allah”) is only one God. There are not three. And the LORD came in the flesh, as a human being, known as the Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who was crucified and raised His Own body from the dead, proving He was God.
Therefore, if Muhammad heard from anything at all, then he heard from a devil, and not the angel Gabriel, who wouldn’t contradict his own words, lying against the truth and the One he serves.
Quote from our paper: “4) Surer yet are the fruits of Muhammad’s 'prophetic' office”
Bod: “Eliminated Idol worship and Instilled the Monotheistic belief in ONE GOD”
Me: “You believe that there is one God, you do well; even the demons believe and tremble” (James 2:19 MKJV).
Belief in the one true God is not enough, but you have not even begun to do well, because you believe in an imposter, Allah, following his false prophet.
Worshipping a false god, the Muslims have many idols. Like all unregenerate men without Christ, they worship anything but God. For starters, they worship a man who is not God. They worship “Allah,” a devil or devilish invention of that man. They worship a stone in Mecca. They worship Mecca. They worship their religion and a form of worship. They worship hatred and victimhood. They worship the carnal appetites as their reward in heaven. They worship death, the vehicle to their supposed reward. Above all, they worship all these things because they worship themselves, which is at the heart of all idolatry. For this reason, you are a great idolater and antiChrist, because you have replaced Christ as your lord and savior.
Quote from our paper: “5) Muhammad did not come pronouncing the only Name given to men whereby they must be saved, which is Jesus Christ and not Allah.”
Bod: “Behold! the angels said: O Mary! allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of allah aught but the truth. christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for allah is one allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)“In blasphemy indeed are those that say that allah is christ the son of Mary. Say: Who then hath the least power against allah, if His will were to destroy christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on th
e earth? For to allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For allah hath power over all things.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)”Me: These Koranic verses only prove our point. The Koran denies Jesus Christ is God, by which it proves that “Allah” is not God, but a devil impersonating God.
Quote from our paper: “6) When the prophet like Moses comes, it will be at the return of Christ to restore all things, as prophesied by Peter on the day the disciples received the Spirit of Christ (Pentecost):”
Bod: “'And this is the witness of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who are you? And he confessed and did not deny, but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Are you Elijah? And he says, I am not. Are you that prophet? And he answered, No'
(John 1:19-21 MKJV).“Who is that Prophet?”
Me: Right. John wasn’t that prophet. But he was a prophet of God, whereas Muhammad was not. Read “Who is that Prophet? Part 2” http://thepathoftruth.com/teachings/thatprophet2.htm
Bod: “————–
“Peace and blessings upon Jesus The Christ forever, He puts no partners with God and worships Our Father as The Only True God.”Me: Jesus Christ is the Creator, the Father, the One Who was with Israel in the wilderness:
“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ” (1 Corinthians 10:4 KJV)
Who is from before Abraham:
“Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I AM!” (John 8:58 MKJV)
And Whom all men will worship:
Philippians 2:5-11 MKJV
(5) For let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
(6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God,
(7) but made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.
(8) And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(9) Therefore God has highly exalted Him, and has given Him a Name which is above every name,
(10) that at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of heavenly ones, and of earthly ones, and of ones under the earth;
(11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.Amen!
Paul Cohen
I invite you to a debate you say that Jesus is God and is part of a trinity and I will be willing to debate that with you if you are willing I have prepared the debate in the debate section.Mote to Moderator: This debate is one on one
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 21 2010,05:59) I invite you to a debate you say that Jesus is God and is part of a trinity and I will be willing to debate that with you if you are willing I have prepared the debate in the debate section. Mote to Moderator: This debate is one on one
Bod,
Correction Paul does not believe in the Trinity.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 21 2010,12:13) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 21 2010,05:59) I invite you to a debate you say that Jesus is God and is part of a trinity and I will be willing to debate that with you if you are willing I have prepared the debate in the debate section. Mote to Moderator: This debate is one on one
Bod,
Correction Paul does not believe in the Trinity.
Actually he does believe in the trinity although not directly but he does believe that God manifests himself as the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit if not then Paul cannot believe that Jesus was God on earth praying to God in Heaven. Maybe he believes in Multiple gods.and plus look who he follows:
Victor Nicholas Hafichuk
I do declare to you today, that the Lord has chosen me from among men, to teach, to speak forth the truth to all those Whom He has ordained to hear, whether for good or for evil. I do walk with Him in His Present Coming today and do confess that Jesus Christ comes in the flesh. This is the day of the Lord. It is a great and terrible day, great for the righteous and terrible for the wicked. Let all fear and repent. The Lord has come to reconcile all things to Himself.
Blessed be the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Yashuah HaMashiach Adonai (Hebrew), Yahweh, the One and Only One Who is God and Who created all things for Himself! And as He has one walk with Him, so I have one to walk with me, Paul Benjamin Cohen, a Jew both in the flesh and spirit, to whom I was sent to deliver, by the Word of the Lord, in 1979 at Kibbutz Revivim, HaNegev, Israel. Together we walk before the Lord of Heaven and earth and speak that which He gives us to speak for the sakes of all those to whom He sends us.
Blessed are those who are not offended in us.
Victor Nicholas HafichukSixteen years later, an angel visited me to strengthen me, and a consecration in obedience came, in trying circumstances. It was the final battle, to the death. One can only serve the Lord with the sentence of death upon himself. That is the victory; that is the rest.
Victor Nicholas Hafichuk
Very interesting this same victor claims that Muhammad could not have been visited by an angel but Victor says it happened with him.
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