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Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 23 2010,12:54) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,08:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 22 2010,19:48) STU, The Bible is a collection of books written by several writers before they were compiled they were independent sources that corroborated with one another.
Your logic would suggest that if I read a collected work of Greek philosophers they would not be acceptable on corroborating views.
By the way, why didn't you finish the proof with that link.
If you believe that nothing is absolute you would have to believe in Absolute uncertainty, is that what you believe in?
You forget two things in your attempts to make out that scripture bears the hallmarks of reliable history.Firstly, you have not analysed the workings of the Council of Nicaea, or the islamic equivalent of a group of followers producing the koran some years after the death of he who dictated it, with additional hadith material that you appear to reject, in the same manner as the decisions of the Council of Nicaea.
Secondly, the books most certainly are not independent. Most of the new testament is written in the name of just two people, even though a lot of it is done by associates under those names. The gospels are anonymous, but bear all the marks of co-copying (if you will pardon the pun).
I don't get your point about philosophy. Are philosophy books meant to contain historical accounts?
Regarding certainty, I am a materialist, and an important principle of that view is Heisenberg's principle, which is a literal statement about the most fundamental particles and the uncertainty in knowing about them. So, is the question truth exists, but we will never know it, or that there is no such thing as truth? Well I think it is obvious that we cannot know it, so therefore asking whether it exists is as absurd as asking for proof of gods.
Stuart
So are you absolutely sure we cannot know absolute truth?
Can your god create a rock that he cannot lift?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 23 2010,12:54) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,08:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 22 2010,19:48) STU, The Bible is a collection of books written by several writers before they were compiled they were independent sources that corroborated with one another.
Your logic would suggest that if I read a collected work of Greek philosophers they would not be acceptable on corroborating views.
By the way, why didn't you finish the proof with that link.
If you believe that nothing is absolute you would have to believe in Absolute uncertainty, is that what you believe in?
You forget two things in your attempts to make out that scripture bears the hallmarks of reliable history.Firstly, you have not analysed the workings of the Council of Nicaea, or the islamic equivalent of a group of followers producing the koran some years after the death of he who dictated it, with additional hadith material that you appear to reject, in the same manner as the decisions of the Council of Nicaea.
Secondly, the books most certainly are not independent. Most of the new testament is written in the name of just two people, even though a lot of it is done by associates under those names. The gospels are anonymous, but bear all the marks of co-copying (if you will pardon the pun).
I don't get your point about philosophy. Are philosophy books meant to contain historical accounts?
Regarding certainty, I am a materialist, and an important principle of that view is Heisenberg's principle, which is a literal statement about the most fundamental particles and the uncertainty in knowing about them. So, is the question truth exists, but we will never know it, or that there is no such thing as truth? Well I think it is obvious that we cannot know it, so therefore asking whether it exists is as absurd as asking for proof of gods.
Stuart
So are you absolutely sure we cannot know absolute truth?
Can your god create a rock that he cannot lift?Stuart
No , God cannot.God is ALL Powerful which does not include creating a condition of weakness.
Atheism is a sickness in which a person cannot comprehend any evidence or validation of God.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 23 2010,15:20) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 23 2010,12:54) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,08:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 22 2010,19:48) STU, The Bible is a collection of books written by several writers before they were compiled they were independent sources that corroborated with one another.
Your logic would suggest that if I read a collected work of Greek philosophers they would not be acceptable on corroborating views.
By the way, why didn't you finish the proof with that link.
If you believe that nothing is absolute you would have to believe in Absolute uncertainty, is that what you believe in?
You forget two things in your attempts to make out that scripture bears the hallmarks of reliable history.Firstly, you have not analysed the workings of the Council of Nicaea, or the islamic equivalent of a group of followers producing the koran some years after the death of he who dictated it, with additional hadith material that you appear to reject, in the same manner as the decisions of the Council of Nicaea.
Secondly, the books most certainly are not independent. Most of the new testament is written in the name of just two people, even though a lot of it is done by associates under those names. The gospels are anonymous, but bear all the marks of co-copying (if you will pardon the pun).
I don't get your point about philosophy. Are philosophy books meant to contain historical accounts?
Regarding certainty, I am a materialist, and an important principle of that view is Heisenberg's principle, which is a literal statement about the most fundamental particles and the uncertainty in knowing about them. So, is the question truth exists, but we will never know it, or that there is no such thing as truth? Well I think it is obvious that we cannot know it, so therefore asking whether it exists is as absurd as asking for proof of gods.
Stuart
So are you absolutely sure we cannot know absolute truth?
Can your god create a rock that he cannot lift?Stuart
No , God cannot.God is ALL Powerful which does not include creating a condition of weakness.
Atheism is a sickness in which a person cannot comprehend any evidence or validation of God.
So what else can your god not do?Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,15:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 23 2010,15:20) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,13:46) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 23 2010,12:54) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,08:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 22 2010,19:48) STU, The Bible is a collection of books written by several writers before they were compiled they were independent sources that corroborated with one another.
Your logic would suggest that if I read a collected work of Greek philosophers they would not be acceptable on corroborating views.
By the way, why didn't you finish the proof with that link.
If you believe that nothing is absolute you would have to believe in Absolute uncertainty, is that what you believe in?
You forget two things in your attempts to make out that scripture bears the hallmarks of reliable history.Firstly, you have not analysed the workings of the Council of Nicaea, or the islamic equivalent of a group of followers producing the koran some years after the death of he who dictated it, with additional hadith material that you appear to reject, in the same manner as the decisions of the Council of Nicaea.
Secondly, the books most certainly are not independent. Most of the new testament is written in the name of just two people, even though a lot of it is done by associates under those names. The gospels are anonymous, but bear all the marks of co-copying (if you will pardon the pun).
I don't get your point about philosophy. Are philosophy books meant to contain historical accounts?
Regarding certainty, I am a materialist, and an important principle of that view is Heisenberg's principle, which is a literal statement about the most fundamental particles and the uncertainty in knowing about them. So, is the question truth exists, but we will never know it, or that there is no such thing as truth? Well I think it is obvious that we cannot know it, so therefore asking whether it exists is as absurd as asking for proof of gods.
Stuart
So are you absolutely sure we cannot know absolute truth?
Can your god create a rock that he cannot lift?Stuart
No , God cannot.God is ALL Powerful which does not include creating a condition of weakness.
Atheism is a sickness in which a person cannot comprehend any evidence or validation of God.
So what else can your god not do?Stuart
Anuthinhg contrary to His nature, for instance God cannot not be God.So this god of yours is not ALL powerful then. It cannot overcome omniscience and omnipotence paradoxes. Your problem is that you would expect your god to be able to create rocks of any size, yes? And lifting rocks should be a trivial matter, regardless of size?
How is it not in your god's nature to create rocks? After all you would probably try and tell me that all rocks are evidence for your god! How is lifting rocks not in your god's nature? You would also tell me that the uplift of the rocks in the Himalayas is a result of actions initiated by your god.
That is why I ask what else you claim your god cannot do. The rock paradox does not come under the category of not doing things in god's nature, because both rock making and rock lifting are part of what you would claim your god has already done.
So what other categories are there of 'what your god cannot do', apart from the disingenuously vague 'things that are not in his nature' category?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,20:36) So this god of yours is not ALL powerful then. It cannot overcome omniscience and omnipotence paradoxes. Your problem is that you would expect your god to be able to create rocks of any size, yes? And lifting rocks should be a trivial matter, regardless of size? How is it not in your god's nature to create rocks? After all you would probably try and tell me that all rocks are evidence for your god! How is lifting rocks not in your god's nature? You would also tell me that the uplift of the rocks in the Himalayas is a result of actions initiated by your god.
That is why I ask what else you claim your god cannot do. The rock paradox does not come under the category of not doing things in god's nature, because both rock making and rock lifting are part of what you would claim your god has already done.
So what other categories are there of 'what your god cannot do', apart from the disingenuously vague 'things that are not in his nature' category?
Stuart
STU,It was not a paradox at all and I had overcome that riddle years ago, you know the river so wide the rock so heavy…etc.
The key is in the idea of God being ALL POWERFUL which means he does not lack nor have weakness. If he could make something superior to Himself in anyway he could not be ALL POWERFUL.
God is POTENT it is against His nature to be impotent
Omniscient means ALL KNOWING it does not include being ignorant if there is something that is known or can be known God will know it.
God does not have to know what you will do tomorrow because he knows all the choices you have tomorrow and when you execute a choice He is aware of it and the consequence of the choice immediately in effect.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 24 2010,06:19) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,20:36) So this god of yours is not ALL powerful then. It cannot overcome omniscience and omnipotence paradoxes. Your problem is that you would expect your god to be able to create rocks of any size, yes? And lifting rocks should be a trivial matter, regardless of size? How is it not in your god's nature to create rocks? After all you would probably try and tell me that all rocks are evidence for your god! How is lifting rocks not in your god's nature? You would also tell me that the uplift of the rocks in the Himalayas is a result of actions initiated by your god.
That is why I ask what else you claim your god cannot do. The rock paradox does not come under the category of not doing things in god's nature, because both rock making and rock lifting are part of what you would claim your god has already done.
So what other categories are there of 'what your god cannot do', apart from the disingenuously vague 'things that are not in his nature' category?
Stuart
STU,It was not a paradox at all and I had overcome that riddle years ago, you know the river so wide the rock so heavy…etc.
The key is in the idea of God being ALL POWERFUL which means he does not lack nor have weakness. If he could make something superior to Himself in anyway he could not be ALL POWERFUL.
God is POTENT it is against His nature to be impotent
Omniscient means ALL KNOWING it does not include being ignorant if there is something that is known or can be known God will know it.
God does not have to know what you will do tomorrow because he knows all the choices you have tomorrow and when you execute a choice He is aware of it and the consequence of the choice immediately in effect.
You are saying that you have overcome the omnipotence paradox?I don't think you have! If your god cannot make something superior to itself then it is not ALL POWERFUL, because even I can think of powers that it does not have.
I do know what omniscient means, too! Your claim of what your god does or doesn't HAVE to know are disingenuously irrelevant. Are you saying that your god does or doesn't know what choices I will make tomorrow?
These claims for your god are pretty easy for you to make, aren't they. Almost as if you are making up your god as you go along.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 24 2010,08:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 24 2010,06:19) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,20:36) So this god of yours is not ALL powerful then. It cannot overcome omniscience and omnipotence paradoxes. Your problem is that you would expect your god to be able to create rocks of any size, yes? And lifting rocks should be a trivial matter, regardless of size? How is it not in your god's nature to create rocks? After all you would probably try and tell me that all rocks are evidence for your god! How is lifting rocks not in your god's nature? You would also tell me that the uplift of the rocks in the Himalayas is a result of actions initiated by your god.
That is why I ask what else you claim your god cannot do. The rock paradox does not come under the category of not doing things in god's nature, because both rock making and rock lifting are part of what you would claim your god has already done.
So what other categories are there of 'what your god cannot do', apart from the disingenuously vague 'things that are not in his nature' category?
Stuart
STU,It was not a paradox at all and I had overcome that riddle years ago, you know the river so wide the rock so heavy…etc.
The key is in the idea of God being ALL POWERFUL which means he does not lack nor have weakness. If he could make something superior to Himself in anyway he could not be ALL POWERFUL.
God is POTENT it is against His nature to be impotent
Omniscient means ALL KNOWING it does not include being ignorant if there is something that is known or can be known God will know it.
God does not have to know what you will do tomorrow because he knows all the choices you have tomorrow and when you execute a choice He is aware of it and the consequence of the choice immediately in effect.
You are saying that you have overcome the omnipotence paradox?
I don't think you have! If your god cannot make something superior to itself then it is not ALL POWERFUL, because even I can think of powers that it does not have.
I do know what omniscient means, too! Your claim of what your god does or doesn't HAVE to know are disingenuously irrelevant. Are you saying that your god does or doesn't know what choices I will make tomorrow?
These claims for your god are pretty easy for you to make, aren't they. Almost as if you are making up your god as you go along.
Stuart
Wrong STU, if God cannot make something superior to God it would mean that God is suprior to whatever God can create.You cannot think of powers God does not have, you can only think of weaknesses God doesn't have. God cannot Lie, so is lying a power or the lack of power.
God knows what choices there are to make and therefore knows the choice you will make before you make it(Based on possibility) and when you make it(based on actuality)
Think of a horse race with 12 horses there are only 13 choices in the race of who will win either 1 of the 12 or none. The probability of 1 of those occuring is exactly 100% and the actuality of 1 of those occuring is 100%
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 24 2010,09:57) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 24 2010,08:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 24 2010,06:19) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,20:36) So this god of yours is not ALL powerful then. It cannot overcome omniscience and omnipotence paradoxes. Your problem is that you would expect your god to be able to create rocks of any size, yes? And lifting rocks should be a trivial matter, regardless of size? How is it not in your god's nature to create rocks? After all you would probably try and tell me that all rocks are evidence for your god! How is lifting rocks not in your god's nature? You would also tell me that the uplift of the rocks in the Himalayas is a result of actions initiated by your god.
That is why I ask what else you claim your god cannot do. The rock paradox does not come under the category of not doing things in god's nature, because both rock making and rock lifting are part of what you would claim your god has already done.
So what other categories are there of 'what your god cannot do', apart from the disingenuously vague 'things that are not in his nature' category?
Stuart
STU,It was not a paradox at all and I had overcome that riddle years ago, you know the river so wide the rock so heavy…etc.
The key is in the idea of God being ALL POWERFUL which means he does not lack nor have weakness. If he could make something superior to Himself in anyway he could not be ALL POWERFUL.
God is POTENT it is against His nature to be impotent
Omniscient means ALL KNOWING it does not include being ignorant if there is something that is known or can be known God will know it.
God does not have to know what you will do tomorrow because he knows all the choices you have tomorrow and when you execute a choice He is aware of it and the consequence of the choice immediately in effect.
You are saying that you have overcome the omnipotence paradox?
I don't think you have! If your god cannot make something superior to itself then it is not ALL POWERFUL, because even I can think of powers that it does not have.
I do know what omniscient means, too! Your claim of what your god does or doesn't HAVE to know are disingenuously irrelevant. Are you saying that your god does or doesn't know what choices I will make tomorrow?
These claims for your god are pretty easy for you to make, aren't they. Almost as if you are making up your god as you go along.
Stuart
Wrong STU, if God cannot make something superior to God it would mean that God is suprior to whatever God can create.You cannot think of powers God does not have, you can only think of weaknesses God doesn't have. God cannot Lie, so is lying a power or the lack of power.
God knows what choices there are to make and therefore knows the choice you will make before you make it(Based on possibility) and when you make it(based on actuality)
Think of a horse race with 12 horses there are only 13 choices in the race of who will win either 1 of the 12 or none. The probability of 1 of those occuring is exactly 100% and the actuality of 1 of those occuring is 100%
So actually I was right, there are things your god cannot do. At least that does resolve the paradox: your god is not omnipotent.If your god cannot lie then whence these?
4:88 What aileth you that ye are become two parties regarding the hypocrites, when Allah cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they earned? Seek ye to guide him whom Allah hath sent astray? He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him thou (O Muhammad) canst not find a road.
6:125 And whomsoever it is Allah's will to guide, He expandeth his bosom unto the Surrender, and whomsoever it is His Will to send astray, He maketh his bosom close and narrow as if he were engaged in sheer ascent. Thus Allah layeth ignominy upon those who believe not.
…and all the other examples of this in other sura.
So, regarding what I might be likely to think, you god is a betting man?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 24 2010,16:34) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 24 2010,09:57) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 24 2010,08:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 24 2010,06:19) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 23 2010,20:36) So this god of yours is not ALL powerful then. It cannot overcome omniscience and omnipotence paradoxes. Your problem is that you would expect your god to be able to create rocks of any size, yes? And lifting rocks should be a trivial matter, regardless of size? How is it not in your god's nature to create rocks? After all you would probably try and tell me that all rocks are evidence for your god! How is lifting rocks not in your god's nature? You would also tell me that the uplift of the rocks in the Himalayas is a result of actions initiated by your god.
That is why I ask what else you claim your god cannot do. The rock paradox does not come under the category of not doing things in god's nature, because both rock making and rock lifting are part of what you would claim your god has already done.
So what other categories are there of 'what your god cannot do', apart from the disingenuously vague 'things that are not in his nature' category?
Stuart
STU,It was not a paradox at all and I had overcome that riddle years ago, you know the river so wide the rock so heavy…etc.
The key is in the idea of God being ALL POWERFUL which means he does not lack nor have weakness. If he could make something superior to Himself in anyway he could not be ALL POWERFUL.
God is POTENT it is against His nature to be impotent
Omniscient means ALL KNOWING it does not include being ignorant if there is something that is known or can be known God will know it.
God does not have to know what you will do tomorrow because he knows all the choices you have tomorrow and when you execute a choice He is aware of it and the consequence of the choice immediately in effect.
You are saying that you have overcome the omnipotence paradox?
I don't think you have! If your god cannot make something superior to itself then it is not ALL POWERFUL, because even I can think of powers that it does not have.
I do know what omniscient means, too! Your claim of what your god does or doesn't HAVE to know are disingenuously irrelevant. Are you saying that your god does or doesn't know what choices I will make tomorrow?
These claims for your god are pretty easy for you to make, aren't they. Almost as if you are making up your god as you go along.
Stuart
Wrong STU, if God cannot make something superior to God it would mean that God is suprior to whatever God can create.You cannot think of powers God does not have, you can only think of weaknesses God doesn't have. God cannot Lie, so is lying a power or the lack of power.
God knows what choices there are to make and therefore knows the choice you will make before you make it(Based on possibility) and when you make it(based on actuality)
Think of a horse race with 12 horses there are only 13 choices in the race of who will win either 1 of the 12 or none. The probability of 1 of those occuring is exactly 100% and the actuality of 1 of those occuring is 100%
So actually I was right, there are things your god cannot do. At least that does resolve the paradox: your god is not omnipotent.If your god cannot lie then whence these?
4:88 What aileth you that ye are become two parties regarding the hypocrites, when Allah cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they earned? Seek ye to guide him whom Allah hath sent astray? He whom Allah sendeth astray, for him thou (O Muhammad) canst not find a road.
6:125 And whomsoever it is Allah's will to guide, He expandeth his bosom unto the Surrender, and whomsoever it is His Will to send astray, He maketh his bosom close and narrow as if he were engaged in sheer ascent. Thus Allah layeth ignominy upon those who believe not.
…and all the other examples of this in other sura.
So, regarding what I might be likely to think, you god is a betting man?
Stuart
Those examples have nothing to do with lying but I do understand that you are blind to that fact.What mechanism do you suggest that your god would 'lead people astray' if it would not be by lying to them?
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 24 2010,21:59) What mechanism do you suggest that your god would 'lead people astray' if it would not be by lying to them? Stuart
Allowing them to guide themselves. When people harden their hearts to God or for that matter their parents they are led astray by their own lusts.Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 25 2010,12:49) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 24 2010,21:59) What mechanism do you suggest that your god would 'lead people astray' if it would not be by lying to them? Stuart
Allowing them to guide themselves. When people harden their hearts to God or for that matter their parents they are led astray by their own lusts.
…Seek ye to guide him whom Allah hath sent astray? He whom Allah sendeth astray……whomsoever it is His Will to send astray…
Islam: religion for the illiterate, by the illiterate.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,14:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 25 2010,12:49) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 24 2010,21:59) What mechanism do you suggest that your god would 'lead people astray' if it would not be by lying to them? Stuart
Allowing them to guide themselves. When people harden their hearts to God or for that matter their parents they are led astray by their own lusts.
…Seek ye to guide him whom Allah hath sent astray? He whom Allah sendeth astray……whomsoever it is His Will to send astray…
Islam: religion for the illiterate, by the illiterate.
Stuart
STU,Does “Sent” mean “Led”?
I bet you won't answer that.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 25 2010,16:18) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,14:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 25 2010,12:49) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 24 2010,21:59) What mechanism do you suggest that your god would 'lead people astray' if it would not be by lying to them? Stuart
Allowing them to guide themselves. When people harden their hearts to God or for that matter their parents they are led astray by their own lusts.
…Seek ye to guide him whom Allah hath sent astray? He whom Allah sendeth astray……whomsoever it is His Will to send astray…
Islam: religion for the illiterate, by the illiterate.
Stuart
STU,Does “Sent” mean “Led”?
I bet you won't answer that.
Yes it does.You would send a letter, but not lead a letter.
However, you would send someone astray and lead them astray in the process.
None of that should be your concern, because I am claiming that in fact allah sending people astray is the result of lying to them.
The equation you should be trying to assert is that
sent astray lied to
I think it would be pretty reasonable to most people, especially reading it in context, that
sent astray = lied to
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,16:48) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 25 2010,16:18) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 25 2010,14:40) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 25 2010,12:49) Quote (Stu @ Jan. 24 2010,21:59) What mechanism do you suggest that your god would 'lead people astray' if it would not be by lying to them? Stuart
Allowing them to guide themselves. When people harden their hearts to God or for that matter their parents they are led astray by their own lusts.
…Seek ye to guide him whom Allah hath sent astray? He whom Allah sendeth astray……whomsoever it is His Will to send astray…
Islam: religion for the illiterate, by the illiterate.
Stuart
STU,Does “Sent” mean “Led”?
I bet you won't answer that.
Yes it does.You would send a letter, but not lead a letter.
However, you would send someone astray and lead them astray in the process.
None of that should be your concern, because I am claiming that in fact allah sending people astray is the result of lying to them.
The equation you should be trying to assert is that
sent astray lied to
I think it would be pretty reasonable to most people, especially reading it in context, that
sent astray = lied to
Stuart
I haven't lied to you and everyday I leave you sent astray.So if you send a letter what exactly are you doing?
Astray means wandering and to send someone wandering means to cause to go.
To lead astray would mean guidance was given
ALLAH does not guide the evil doers and mischief makers like yourself.
Therefore sent astray, cannot=lied to.
If you say “Bodhitharta I don't believe anything you say” and I say, “Okay STU but there is a painful punishment up ahead”, when you face that punishment you can't say “Hey, wait!, that Bodhitharta mislead me, lied to me, yea, he surely led me astray” Because clearly I sent you astray because of your own ignorance and refusal to accept the guidance.
I also enjoyed that video. Becoming a better thinker has been a goal of mine for years. Thinking more rationally, more logically, taking everything else out. I know I certainly don't always do this.
From time to time, I am troubled over how much certain things matter. What is more important? Truth, or happiness? And what if you could only have one? Which would you choose? And which would be the wise choice?
Quote (david @ Jan. 25 2010,18:46) I also enjoyed that video. Becoming a better thinker has been a goal of mine for years. Thinking more rationally, more logically, taking everything else out. I know I certainly don't always do this. From time to time, I am troubled over how much certain things matter. What is more important? Truth, or happiness? And what if you could only have one? Which would you choose? And which would be the wise choice?
TRUTH brings HAPPINESS maybe not at first but it doesQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 07 2010,23:46) Quote (david @ Jan. 25 2010,18:46) I also enjoyed that video. Becoming a better thinker has been a goal of mine for years. Thinking more rationally, more logically, taking everything else out. I know I certainly don't always do this. From time to time, I am troubled over how much certain things matter. What is more important? Truth, or happiness? And what if you could only have one? Which would you choose? And which would be the wise choice?
TRUTH brings HAPPINESS maybe not at first but it does
No wonder you are so unhappy…
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