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Print it off and take it to your next talk by a creationist, or play here online at Heavennet.
By my recollection there are a few that have not been used here. Either Hevennet creationists are a bit more sophisticated, or a bit less familiar with creationist canards.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,
Think about what you are asserting…
The Antonym for sophisticated is primitive.
Does this posture (of yours) really make sense?
Are you saying us Creationists here are more evolved,
and yet at the same time reject the process that made us?After all it took evolutionary scientists over 4 billion years
to figure out that we came from nothing ? ? ? Nothing is NOTHING!
Evolution is therefore NOTHING, according to the scientists who “Created” it!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 18 2010,18:55) Hi Stuart, Think about what you are asserting…
The Antonym for sophisticated is primitive.
Does this posture (of yours) really make sense?
Are you saying us Creationists here are more evolved,
and yet at the same time reject the process that made us?After all it took evolutionary scientists over 4 billion years
to figure out that we came from nothing ? ? ? Nothing is NOTHING!
Evolution is therefore NOTHING, according to the scientists who “Created” it!
It took well under 200 hundred years to fully uncover that fact, Ed. Prior to that most people believed what your lot still believe, ancient mythology that is at least 150 years out of date.Evolution is not nothing. It is a theory that explains how we came to be. Actually it is the only scientific theory that explains our origins.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 18 2010,19:42) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 18 2010,18:55) Hi Stuart, Think about what you are asserting…
The Antonym for sophisticated is primitive.
Does this posture (of yours) really make sense?
Are you saying us Creationists here are more evolved,
and yet at the same time reject the process that made us?After all it took evolutionary scientists over 4 billion years
to figure out that we came from nothing ? ? ? Nothing is NOTHING!
Evolution is therefore NOTHING, according to the scientists who “Created” it!
It took well under 200 hundred years to fully uncover that fact, Ed. Prior to that most people believed what your lot still believe, ancient mythology that is at least 150 years out of date.Evolution is not nothing. It is a theory that explains how we came to be. Actually it is the only scientific theory that explains our origins.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You illustrate you deeply embedded faith in nothing again.
A theory is 'only' an attempt to explain something,
which was created in rejection of the Creator!You assertions of monkey mischief are irreverent if you cannot answer the following…
Explain how the universe came from nothing, exploding into a precise order?
Also please explain how life can originate from non-living chemicals,
take you time, even if it takes you 4.5 million years to do so.So who's faith is it that really more far fetched Christians or Atheists such as yourself?
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Stu @ Oct. 18 2010,19:42) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 18 2010,18:55) Hi Stuart, Think about what you are asserting…
The Antonym for sophisticated is primitive.
Does this posture (of yours) really make sense?
Are you saying us Creationists here are more evolved,
and yet at the same time reject the process that made us?After all it took evolutionary scientists over 4 billion years
to figure out that we came from nothing ? ? ? Nothing is NOTHING!
Evolution is therefore NOTHING, according to the scientists who “Created” it!
It took well under 200 hundred years to fully uncover that fact, Ed. Prior to that most people believed what your lot still believe, ancient mythology that is at least 150 years out of date.Evolution is not nothing. It is a theory that explains how we came to be. Actually it is the only scientific theory that explains our origins.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,You illustrate your deeply embedded faith in nothing again.
A theory is 'only' an attempt to explain something,
which was created in rejection of the Creator!You assertions of monkey mischief are irreverent if you cannot answer the following…
Explain how the universe came from nothing, exploding into a precise order?
Also please explain how life can originate from non-living chemicals,
take you time, even if it takes you 4.5 million years to do so.So who's faith is it that really more far fetched Christians or Atheists such as yourself?
Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)BINGO.
We win because we believe that someone eternal caused all things. You believe that nothing did it or that something eternal that is non-intelligent did it.
Once again in case you haven't realised that we won.BINGO.
Pity it wasn't LOTTO though.
The prize was 28 million this week.Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 19 2010,13:00) So who's faith is it that really more far fetched Christians or Atheists such as yourself?
Must be christians because atheists don't have religious faith for it to be far-fetched.As the saying goes, if atheism is a faith then not collecting stamps is a hobby.
By the way, I already explained how matter appeared in the universe, how I think life began (there is no scientific theory of abiogenesis) and how complexity arises spontaneously in biology and how we know that it has. What alternative explanation have you given? None. That is why what you have to say is irrelevant: actually you have nothing of any interest to say about these things. You have nothing but scorn for human endeavour. Does your god require you to be anti-human? I suppose after the standard of murder and mayhem it set in the OT that should not be surprising.
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 19 2010,14:13) BINGO. We win because we believe that someone eternal caused all things. You believe that nothing did it or that something eternal that is non-intelligent did it.
Once again in case you haven't realised that we won.BINGO.
Pity it wasn't LOTTO though.
The prize was 28 million this week.
I guess you would be playing the JOKER card this time.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 19 2010,19:09) Must be christians because atheists don't have religious faith for it to be far-fetched.
Ha ha.Show us the proof that everything came from nothing or show us the something that is eternal and is not God.
See, you have a belief and you trust that belief, therefore you have faith. Not faith in God, but faith in Atheism or whatever you wish to call your faith.
Proof or faith?
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 19 2010,19:25) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 19 2010,19:09) Must be christians because atheists don't have religious faith for it to be far-fetched.
Ha ha.Show us the proof that everything came from nothing or show us the something that is eternal and is not God.
See, you have a belief and you trust that belief, therefore you have faith. Not faith in God, but faith in Atheism or whatever you wish to call your faith.
Proof or faith?
I don't believe in the validity of either faith or proof, unless you are talking about mathematics, which you are not.Why the false dichotomy?
Is that all you have in lieu of an actual explanation of your own?
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 19 2010,19:44) 
Here is your faith Stu.This is the fairytale you espouse in the place of God.
It sounds like magic to me Stu.Did you know that magic is really a whole bunch of pulleys, ropes, and deception.
Believing that Nothing acted on nothing and made everything is magic in the most extreme.
The deceptive part is that nothing can actually do anything and the ropes and pulleys are the ideas, beliefs, and supposed facts that deny that there is a God. In other words it is a big trick to fool the vulnerable or those who care not about eternal things and would rather that God just go away.
You have been taken hook line and sinker on this one.
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 19 2010,20:13) Quote (t8 @ Oct. 19 2010,19:44)
Here is your faith Stu.This is the fairytale you espouse in the place of God.
It sounds like magic to me Stu.Did you know that magic is really a whole bunch of pulleys, ropes, and deception.
Believing that Nothing acted on nothing and made everything is magic in the most extreme.
The deceptive part is that nothing can actually do anything and the ropes and pulleys are the ideas, beliefs, and supposed facts that deny that there is a God. In other words it is a big trick to fool the vulnerable or those who care not about eternal things and would rather that God just go away.
You have been taken hook line and sinker on this one.
When you can tell me what the falsifiable, evidence-based Theory of Divine Creation is then you will earn credibility.As it is you have never explained to anyone here HOW the universe came into existence.
You can go on all you like in your childishly amused fashion of playing various interpretations of the word “nothing” against one another but it is all meaningless drivel if you can't stump up with how you think it happened.
Do you have anything original to put up? Do you have a disproof of Hawking's mathematics?
Otherwise what do you claim as your basis for having any credibility on which to base your commentary?
Stories of talking snakes?
Men with missing biological parents and feet with spectacular surface tension?
Talking donkeys?
Earth before the light that preceeded it?It is not me that has tales of nothing.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 19 2010,21:09) Quote (t8 @ Oct. 19 2010,20:13) Quote (t8 @ Oct. 19 2010,19:44)
Here is your faith Stu.This is the fairytale you espouse in the place of God.
It sounds like magic to me Stu.Did you know that magic is really a whole bunch of pulleys, ropes, and deception.
Believing that Nothing acted on nothing and made everything is magic in the most extreme.
The deceptive part is that nothing can actually do anything and the ropes and pulleys are the ideas, beliefs, and supposed facts that deny that there is a God. In other words it is a big trick to fool the vulnerable or those who care not about eternal things and would rather that God just go away.
You have been taken hook line and sinker on this one.
It is not me that has tales of nothing.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Does not you story begin as NOTHING?
Ours begins with intelligence, something yours lacks!
Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.YHVH=63
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63; “YHVH is GOD”.
In 23 the 33 beginning 81 God 26 created 56 the 33 heaven 55 = the 63rd prime number
What a masterful intelligence, one that is NOT bound by time! Get out your calculator, this can be verified!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Oct. 19 2010,21:09) Quote (t8 @ Oct. 19 2010,20:13) Quote (t8 @ Oct. 19 2010,19:44)
Here is your faith Stu.This is the fairytale you espouse in the place of God.
It sounds like magic to me Stu.Did you know that magic is really a whole bunch of pulleys, ropes, and deception.
Believing that Nothing acted on nothing and made everything is magic in the most extreme.
The deceptive part is that nothing can actually do anything and the ropes and pulleys are the ideas, beliefs, and supposed facts that deny that there is a God. In other words it is a big trick to fool the vulnerable or those who care not about eternal things and would rather that God just go away.
You have been taken hook line and sinker on this one.
It is not me that has tales of nothing.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Does not your story begin as NOTHING?
Ours begins with intelligence, something yours lacks!
Gen.1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.YHVH=63
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63; “YHVH is GOD”.
In 23 the 33 beginning 81 God 26 created 56 the 33 heaven 55 = the 63rd prime number
What a masterful intelligence, one that is NOT bound by time! Get out your calculator, this can be verified!Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd
Yours is a tale of nothing because you are just using the word “intellgence”. I could assert that in The Beginning there was an ambivalence, and it would just be me using a word.
Whether or not you give it a name (and a number!) you have not explained what it is that possesses intelligence, or how it expressed that in practice, or by what process it came to exist.
We have just named things. You being called Ed does not say anything about you as a person, and using the word “intelligence” tells me nothing either.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 19 2010,22:24) Ed I could assert that in The Beginning there was an ambivalence, and it would just be me using a word.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,To you truth is really a dichotomy, isn't it?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Oct. 19 2010,22:24) Ed 1) Whether or not you give it a name (and a number!) you have not explained what it is that possesses intelligence, or how it expressed that in practice, or by what process it came to exist.
2) We have just named things. You being called Ed does not say anything about you as a person, and using the word “intelligence” tells me nothing either.
Stuart
Hi Stuart,1) YHVH is God's name and I have illustrated that he has intelligence.
You must of missed the intelligence, since you're expecting nothing!2) So now I have no intelligence either?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Oct. 19 2010,21:09) When you can tell me what the falsifiable, evidence-based Theory of Divine Creation is then you will earn credibility.
Ha ha ha.An eternal Spirit doesn't fit in a test tube Stu.
Use your intellect to try and think what conclusion you would draw if NASA photographed a house on Mars. By its very design, you would assume that it was an absolute freak of nature or that it was built by someone. If it was a freak of nature, then try and explain the universe as a freak that just keeps on freaking along with amazing design. Actually I know you cannot grasp that the universe is the product of a designer, and nothing option seems easier for you to grasp, except that the nothing option is completely impossible, illogical, and laughable. But carry on entertaining us please. You cannot pretend to understand it, we know you are clueless.BTW, is this your creed or would you like to make some changes?
Feel free to give us an edited version, otherwise we will take it by default that this is your creed, as it is with other Atheists.Quote (t8 @ Oct. 20 2010,08:15) Quote (Stu @ Oct. 19 2010,21:09) When you can tell me what the falsifiable, evidence-based Theory of Divine Creation is then you will earn credibility.
Ha ha ha.An eternal Spirit doesn't fit in a test tube Stu.
Use your intellect to try and think what conclusion you would draw if NASA photographed a house on Mars. By its very design, you would assume that it was an absolute freak of nature or that it was built by someone. If it was a freak of nature, then try and explain the universe as a freak that just keeps on freaking along with amazing design. Actually I know you cannot grasp that the universe is the product of a designer, and nothing option seems easier for you to grasp, except that the nothing option is completely impossible, illogical, and laughable. But carry on entertaining us please. You cannot pretend to understand it, we know you are clueless.BTW, is this your creed or would you like to make some changes?
Feel free to give us an edited version, otherwise we will take it by default that this is your creed, as it is with other Atheists.
So, no theory of creation. No explanation for how humans arise from Imaginary Friends breathing into dirt. No explanation for why the Judeo-christian book of spells claims that you can have the earth before light exists.Writing “eternal spirit” is just an exercise in naming. It is no explanation for anything. Has NASA found a house on Mars? No. Is there any fact that demands that you conclude the universe was designed? No. Have you given a single reason why matter cannot appear from the expansion of space-time? No.
Feel free to start giving some facts instead of naming things that you cannot demonstrate to actually exist. “Matter cannot just appear” is not a fact, actually it is wrong.
Where does that leave you? On side B of the stuck record? Time to buy a new one.
Stuart
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