Creation for people who find it hard

[Stu]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,17:52)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,18:10) Exactly.  Robots are not self-replicating. Stuart Stu and all, not yet.

And what would be the consequences if they do?

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,12:21)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 03 2013,07:11) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,09:38) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,18:12) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,15:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,10:05) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,12:23) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,18:25) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,12:50) Genesis is at least 70% wrong then, isn't it. What is more, you have only given us one of the four ways that the bible says or implies that humans can be made. Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body I've never seen god breath. Stuart stu that is not the right answer to my question So are you saying that Genesis is wrong about the creation of Adam? Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body??? What exactly do you mean by ingredients? Stuart stu I give you a full table what of  the composition of men body , and they describe the elements that it contains ,so my question is how many elements of those that are describe are found on earth Well how could any of those elements exist in humans but not be found on earth, since that is where you find humans? Stuart stu Ge 2:19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. Ge 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground so Geneses is a book of truth , look there is a difference between the creation of animals and man , can you see it animals are formed ” OF THE GROUND ” while man as been formed out of “THE DUST OF THE GROUND ”  this is biology at his first , and science as proven that this is in deed the truth .

I see you have to leave out a lot of scripture to make this fit. Namely, Genesis 2:7 (the divine breath, a factor that we don't see on earth); Genesis 2:2 (a rib needed to make a woman); Genesis 4:1 (humans aren't made of ground dust and god breath, or ribs, but the development of a zygote from a sperm cell and an egg cell); Genesis 4:17 (humans appear by magic – or else there were people before Adam and Eve, in which case inherited sin for which we are all responsible is a joke idea – or else this is incest, which hasn't been explained genetically except by complete morons who have no idea about genetics).

Of course genetics isn't really this god's strong subject. It seems to think bats are closely related to birds (Leviticus 11:13-19) and that goats can copulate while looking at striped rods and should expect striped offspring (Genesis 30:37-39).

And you still haven't accounted for the 70% water, which can't really be said to be the dust of the ground.

Genesis is almost completely wrong, in fact it is worse than just making up guesses.

Stuart

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 03 2013,15:19)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,12:21) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 03 2013,07:11) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,09:38) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,18:12) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,15:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,10:05) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,12:23) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,18:25) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,12:50) Genesis is at least 70% wrong then, isn't it. What is more, you have only given us one of the four ways that the bible says or implies that humans can be made. Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body I've never seen god breath. Stuart stu that is not the right answer to my question So are you saying that Genesis is wrong about the creation of Adam? Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body??? What exactly do you mean by ingredients? Stuart stu I give you a full table what of  the composition of men body , and they describe the elements that it contains ,so my question is how many elements of those that are describe are found on earth Well how could any of those elements exist in humans but not be found on earth, since that is where you find humans? Stuart stu Ge 2:19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. Ge 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground so Geneses is a book of truth , look there is a difference between the creation of animals and man , can you see it animals are formed ” OF THE GROUND ” while man as been formed out of “THE DUST OF THE GROUND ”  this is biology at his first , and science as proven that this is in deed the truth . I see you have to leave out a lot of scripture to make this fit.  Namely, Genesis 2:7 (the divine breath, a factor that we don't see on earth); Genesis 2:2 (a rib needed to make a woman); Genesis 4:1 (humans aren't made of ground dust and god breath, or ribs, but the development of a zygote from a sperm cell and an egg cell); Genesis 4:17 (humans appear by magic – or else there were people before Adam and Eve, in which case inherited sin for which we are all responsible is a joke idea – or else this is incest, which hasn't been explained genetically except by complete morons who have no idea about genetics). Of course genetics isn't really this god's strong subject.  It seems to think bats are closely related to birds (Leviticus 11:13-19) and that goats can copulate while looking at striped rods and should expect striped offspring (Genesis 30:37-39). And you still haven't accounted for the 70% water, which can't really be said to be the dust of the ground. Genesis is almost completely wrong, in fact it is worse than just making up guesses. Stuart

all was predictable ,

an evolution anticipation

[charity]

Adam is the first Man?
Had dinner, what ever it was. Taked to God an He fell a sleep; woke up an found a woman their beside Him. then felt her ribs an realised that she Had one more than Him.
wanted to Know why? an with all the other different Body Parts he found…he decided she was not like Him. an called her woman.

Just for second..
Where would eve Have come from if Adam was wrong?

It Is Good to observe to find the door Handles of a round room.

AS the earth is round yet flat to the naked eye.. so is mentality reason an excuse.

[terraricca]

Quote (charity @ Feb. 04 2013,04:07)

Adam is the first Man? Had dinner, what ever it was. Taked to God an He fell a sleep; woke up an found a woman their beside Him. then felt her ribs an realised that she Had one more than Him. wanted to Know why? an with all the other different Body Parts he found…he decided she was not like Him. an called her woman. Just for second.. Where would eve Have come from if Adam was wrong? It Is Good to observe to find the door Handles of a round room. AS the earth is round yet flat to the naked eye.. so is mentality reason an excuse.

[Stu]

Quote (charity @ Feb. 04 2013,09:07)

Adam is the first Man? Had dinner, what ever it was. Taked to God an He fell a sleep; woke up an found a woman their beside Him. then felt her ribs an realised that she Had one more than Him.

And indeed when the 16th Century anatomist Vesalius dissected bodies and discovered that men and women have the same numbers of ribs, it was controversial discovery because it had been assumed somehow that Genesis implied men would have a different number of ribs compared with women. Some people even believe it today.

Just as well we live in an age where religious idiots no longer use poor interpretations of Genesis to question science and the facts it discovers…

…oh, wait…

Stuart

[kerwin]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 03 2013,15:02)

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,17:52) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,18:10) Exactly.  Robots are not self-replicating. Stuart Stu and all, not yet. And what would be the consequences if they do? Stuart

Stu and all,

They will be more like living creatures and serve to aid in colonizing other planets. If they also acquire intelligence then we may have competition.

[Stu]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 04 2013,18:53)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 03 2013,15:02) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,17:52) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,18:10) Exactly.  Robots are not self-replicating. Stuart Stu and all, not yet. And what would be the consequences if they do? Stuart Stu and all, They will be more like living creatures and serve to aid in  colonizing other planets.  If they also acquire intelligence then we may have competition.

And if that happened, what would you call the process by which they acquired these new capabilities?

Stuart

[charity]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2013,17:30)

Quote (charity @ Feb. 04 2013,09:07) Adam is the first Man? Had dinner, what ever it was. Taked to God an He fell a sleep; woke up an found a woman their beside Him. then felt her ribs an realised that she Had one more than Him. And indeed when the 16th Century anatomist Vesalius dissected bodies and discovered that men and women have the same numbers of ribs, it was controversial discovery because it had been assumed somehow that Genesis implied men would have a different number of ribs compared with women.  Some people even believe it today. Just as well we live in an age where religious idiots no longer use poor interpretations of Genesis to question science and the facts it discovers… …oh, wait… Stuart

im sure the story of Adam an eve was created way later stu.

The Information included in The Book of Genesis That Marvels everyone one is…wordless. an is. The using of 7 days of The week research. while other future writers use..A Times plus a Times. which reveals That the research of The Calendar was not completed.

IT IS More Than Lightly That The research of many years was written Backwards to force People To believe. I would consider around 500 BC.

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Quote (Stu @ Jan. 31 2013,19:55)

The robot is an extended phenotype, a product of the working of the genes that made humans. The robot didn't evolve biologically but it is certainly a byproduct of natural selection.

If a simple robot can never evolve out of a factory of all the necessary raw materials, then a complex animal cannot evolve out of biological raw material without a designer.

Just as a robot is designed so are all animals. And just because you can see humans and not the creator of humans doesn't change the fact that all animals exist because of the creative power and laws of a creator and lawgiver.

You are a blind soul if you cannot see that.

[Proclaimer]

Quote (charity @ Feb. 05 2013,13:01)

im sure the story of Adam an eve was created way later stu. The Information included in The Book of Genesis That Marvels everyone one is…wordless. an is. The using of 7 days of The week research. while other future writers use..A Times plus a Times. which reveals That the research of The Calendar was not completed. IT IS More Than Lightly That The research of many years was written Backwards to force People To believe. I would consider around 500 BC.

Charity, why do you have that name?

I would have thought Scoffer or Complainer was more appropriate.

Were you once charitable?

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2013,16:57)

Quote (Stu @ Jan. 31 2013,19:55) The robot is an extended phenotype, a product of the working of the genes that made humans.  The robot didn't evolve biologically but it is certainly a byproduct of natural selection. If a simple robot can never evolve out of a factory of all the necessary raw materials, then a complex animal cannot evolve out of biological raw material without a designer. Just as a robot is designed so are all animals. And just because you can see humans and not the creator of humans doesn't change the fact that all animals exist because of the creative power and laws of a creator and lawgiver. You are a blind soul if you cannot see that.

Kerwin and I were considering the question of robot evolution. But you seem to be sure about your conclusion. How do you know a robot can't evolve by natural selection?

I think the blindness is with he who has drawn hasty conclusions.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2013,16:59)

Quote (charity @ Feb. 05 2013,13:01) im sure the story of Adam an eve was created way later stu. The Information included in The Book of Genesis That Marvels everyone one is…wordless. an is. The using of 7 days of The week research. while other future writers use..A Times plus a Times. which reveals That the research of The Calendar was not completed. IT IS More Than Lightly That The research of many years was written Backwards to force People To believe. I would consider around 500 BC. Charity, why do you have that name? I would have thought Scoffer or Complainer was more appropriate. Were you once charitable?

You wouldn't say that taking time to challenge people to rescue themselves from rigid and destructive modes of thinking isn't a charitable act?

Stuart

[kerwin]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2013,15:40)

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 04 2013,18:53) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 03 2013,15:02) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,17:52) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,18:10) Exactly.  Robots are not self-replicating. Stuart Stu and all, not yet. And what would be the consequences if they do? Stuart Stu and all, They will be more like living creatures and serve to aid in  colonizing other planets.  If they also acquire intelligence then we may have competition. And if that happened, what would you call the process by which they acquired these new capabilities? Stuart

Stu,

Directed evolution in robotics.

It is possible that we might design them with the ability to adapt to new environments and changes in environment.

[Stu]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 05 2013,17:27)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 04 2013,15:40) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 04 2013,18:53) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 03 2013,15:02) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 03 2013,17:52) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,18:10) Exactly.  Robots are not self-replicating. Stuart Stu and all, not yet. And what would be the consequences if they do? Stuart Stu and all, They will be more like living creatures and serve to aid in  colonizing other planets.  If they also acquire intelligence then we may have competition. And if that happened, what would you call the process by which they acquired these new capabilities? Stuart Stu, Directed evolution in robotics.   It is possible that we might  design them with the ability to adapt to new environments and changes in environment.

You might be aware that this has been done, to a very limited extent. Robots have been programmed to improve their performance by using a process of natural selection, whereby they use a process of random trials to determine if there is a more efficient way of doing the job, then they retain the best strategies and build on them by further randomised trialing.

After some time at this, it could be said that the robot had evolved in a biological sense, even though the production of robots had not been made evolutionary because there was no genetic-type plan that could undergo random mutation with selection.

If that all became commonplace, and robot evolution ran for a long time, there might come a point where the question of whether the robots had at one stage been designed became an irrelevant question.

It's also an irrelevant question in humans. Absolutely everything about us now is clearly the product of natural selection at work. You just have to look at our anatomy to see that. So even if there was a designer, a divine meddler at some distant point in the natural history of our ancestors, there is no way that design could have any persistence today. The very process of the production of humans has been written over by natural modifications.

Of course the question is at best speculative, because there is no reason whatever to think there is any design in life at all, apart from what humans and some other species design.

Stuart

[Proclaimer]

Question 2.

Can you explain colour to a man who has been blind all his life to the point that he can see colour in his mind?

Yes
No.

[charity]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2013,16:57)

Quote (Stu @ Jan. 31 2013,19:55) The robot is an extended phenotype, a product of the working of the genes that made humans.  The robot didn't evolve biologically but it is certainly a byproduct of natural selection. If a simple robot can never evolve out of a factory of all the necessary raw materials, then a complex animal cannot evolve out of biological raw material without a designer. Just as a robot is designed so are all animals. And just because you can see humans and not the creator of humans doesn't change the fact that all animals exist because of the creative power and laws of a creator and lawgiver. You are a blind soul if you cannot see that.

What if a Robot suddenly developed a brain big enough to discover he was plugged in, on line, connected to google 24/7; shall he bother to praise the flesh that bore him above the the owner of the Factory paying His internet connection.
Na I think he would probably pick on the scrap metal laying around; saying it will never be chosen.

[charity]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2013,19:51)

Question 2. Can you explain colour to a man who has been blind all his life to the point that he can see colour in his mind? Yes No.

possibly.

The eye's may be blind..but The mind is not…unless impaired.

whats your answer t8?

[charity]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2013,16:59)

Quote (charity @ Feb. 05 2013,13:01) im sure the story of Adam an eve was created way later stu. The Information included in The Book of Genesis That Marvels everyone one is…wordless. an is. The using of 7 days of The week research. while other future writers use..A Times plus a Times. which reveals That the research of The Calendar was not completed. IT IS More Than Lightly That The research of many years was written Backwards to force People To believe. I would consider around 500 BC. Charity, why do you have that name? I would have thought Scoffer or Complainer was more appropriate. Were you once charitable?

What about the up of saying people lived for 900 years t8…

their STILL learning to count still t8…not being rude. they compare to pre schoolers..Im not insulting people. humans Had to Learn THESE things.

As I said..EITHER LIFE DID or DID NOT ARIVE HERE THAT SMART. even if God told them..they would not have understood what he was saying.

Stop being such a girls blouse!

[Stu]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 05 2013,19:51)

Question 2. Can you explain colour to a man who has been blind all his life to the point that he can see colour in his mind? Yes No.

I have been trying to do that, but I concede it is difficult.

Stuart

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