Creation for people who find it hard

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Upon watching Stu struggle with a recent topic here, I thought that I would start this topic which is a series of questions to help those who find it hard to follow what creation is about. The questions are designed to start simple and upon the correct answers, you can progress to more complex understanding.

[Proclaimer]

In this video, did the robot evolve from a factory of raw materials?
Yes
No

[david]

“No.”

But to point to the universe and say: “obviously designed” it seems to be argued that we would have to look at a lot of universes before can truly say that.

Or, perhaps stu would say: if you are suggesting that complexity can only be the result of design, then who designed God?

[Stu]

The robot is an extended phenotype, a product of the working of the genes that made humans. The robot didn't evolve biologically but it is certainly a byproduct of natural selection.

Here's one for you, t8: would you expect anything to evolve in the biological sense in the course of a 2 minute video?

Maybe the universe has its sponsors URLs etched on it somewhere. Does the Discovery Institute have its best people searching for them?

Stuart

[terraricca]

stu

dig this scriptures says this ;;Ge 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

THIS LOOKS LIKE THE FIRST LESSON IN CHEMISTRY ,WEN YOU READ WHAT WE KNOW NOW IT WAS NOT THAT FAR OFF ,VERY CLOSE I WOULD SAY.

this is found in the human body;

Composition of the human body
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The composition of the human body can be looked at from the point of view of either mass composition, or atomic composition. To illustrate both views, the human body is ~70% water, and water is ~11% hydrogen by mass but ~67% hydrogen by atomic percent. Thus, most of the mass of the human body is oxygen, but most of the atoms in the human body are hydrogen atoms. Both mass-composition and atomic composition figures are given below.
Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of the six elements oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. Only about 0.85% is composed of another five elements: potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. All are necessary to life. The remaining elements are trace elements, of which more than a dozen are thought to be necessary for life, or play an active role in health (e.g., fluorine, which hardens dental enamel but seems to have no other function).
Not all elements which are found in the human body in trace quantities play a role in life. Some of these elements are thought to be simple bystander contaminants without function (examples: caesium, titanium), while many others are thought to be active toxins, depending on amount (cadmium, mercury, radioactives). The possible utility and toxicity of a few elements at levels normally found in the body (aluminum) is debated. Functions have been proposed for trace amounts of cadmium and lead, but these are almost certainly toxic in amounts normally found in the body. There is evidence that one element normally considered a toxin (arsenic) is essential in ultratrace quantities, even in mammals. Some elements that are clearly used in lower organisms and plants (arsenic, silicon, boron, nickel, vanadium) are probably needed by mammals also, but in far smaller doses. Two halogens used abundantly by lower organisms (fluorine and bromine) are presently known to be used by mammals only opportunistically. However, a general rule is that elements found in active biochemical use in lower organisms are often eventually found to be used in some way, by higher organisms.[citation needed]
Contents [hide]
1 Elemental composition
2 Composition by molecule type
3 Materials and tissues
4 Composition by cell type
5 See also
6 References
[edit]Elemental composition

Main article: Dietary mineral
The average 70 kg adult human body contains approximately 6.7 x 1027 atoms and contains at least detectable traces of 60 chemical elements. About 24 or 25 of these elements are thought to play an active positive role in life and health in humans. [1]
The relative amounts of each element vary by individual, with the largest contributor due to fat/muscle/bone body composition ratio differences from person to person. The numbers in the table are averages of different numbers reported by different references.
The human body is ~65% water, and water is ~11% hydrogen by mass but ~67% hydrogen by atomic percent.
Atomic numberElementPercent of Mass[2][3][4][5]Mass (kg)[6]Atomic percentPositive health role in mammals[7]Group
8Oxygen654324Yes (water, electron acceptor) /No (Reactive Oxygen Species)16
6Carbon181612Yes (organic compounds are hydrocarbon derivatives)14
1Hydrogen10763Yes (e.g. water)1
7Nitrogen31.80.58Yes (e.g. DNA and amino acids)15
20Calcium1.41.00.24Yes (e.g. Calmodulin and Hydroxylapatite in bones)2
15Phosphorus1.10.780.14Yes (e.g. DNA and phosphorylation)15
19Potassium0.250.140.033Yes (e.g. Na+/K+-ATPase)1
16Sulfur0.250.140.038Yes (e.g.Cysteine, Methionine, Biotin, Thiamine)16
11Sodium0.150.100.037Yes (e.g. Na+/K+-ATPase)1
17Chlorine0.150.0950.024Yes (e.g. Cl-transporting ATPase)17
12Magnesium0.050.0190.0070Yes (e.g. binding to ATP and other nucleotides)2
26Iron*0.0060.00420.00067Yes (e.g. Hemoglobin, Cytochromes)8
9Fluorine0.00370.00260.0012Yes/No (topically hardens teeth; toxic in higher amounts)17
30Zinc0.00320.00230.00031Yes (e.g. Zinc finger proteins)12
14Silicon0.0020.00100.0058Yes (probable)14
37Rubidium0.000460.000680.000033No (?)1
38Strontium0.000460.000320.000033No (?)2
35Bromine0.000290.000260.000030No (?)17
82Lead0.000170.000120.0000045No (?) (toxic in higher amounts)14
29Copper0.00010.0000720.0000104Yes (e.g. copper proteins)11
13Aluminium0.0000870.0000600.000015No(?) (toxic?)13
48Cadmium0.0000720.0000500.0000045No(?) (toxic in higher amounts)12
58Cerium0.0000570.000040No
56Barium0.0000310.0000220.0000012No? (toxic)2
50Tin0.0000240.0000206.0e-7No(?)14
53Iodine0.0000160.0000207.5e-7Yes (e.g. thyroxine, triiodothyronine)17
22Titanium0.0000130.000020No4
5Boron0.0000690.0000180.0000030Yes (probable)13
34Selenium0.0000190.0000154.5e-8Yes (toxic in higher amounts)16
28Nickel0.0000140.0000150.0000015Yes (e.g. urease)10
24Chromium0.00000240.0000148.9e-8Yes (not confirmed)6
25Manganese0.0000170.0000120.0000015Yes (e.g. Mn-SOD)7
33Arsenic0.0000260.0000078.9e-8Yes (not confirmed). Toxic in higher amounts15
3Lithium0.00000310.0000070.0000015Yes (not confirmed). Toxic in high amounts. Useful medically (mood stabilizer).1
80Mercury0.0000190.0000068.9e-8No (toxic)12
55Caesium0.00000210.0000061.0e-7No1
42Molybdenum0.0000130.0000054.5e-8Yes (e.g. the molybdenum oxotransferases, Xanthine oxidase and Sulfite oxidase)6
32Germanium0.000005No (?)14
27Cobalt0.00000210.0000033.0e-7Yes (e.g. vitamin B12)9
51Antimony0.0000110.000002No (toxic)15
47Silver0.0000010.000002No (toxic)11
41Niobium0.000160.0000015No5
40Zirconium0.00060.0000013.0e-7No4
57Lanthanum0.0001378e-7No
52Tellurium0.0000127e-7No16
31Gallium7e-7No13
39Yttrium6e-7No3
83Bismuth5e-7No15
81Thallium5e-7No (toxic)13
49Indium4e-7No13
79Gold0.0000142e-73.0e-7No11
21Scandium2e-7No3
73Tantalum2e-7No5
23Vanadium0.0000261.1e-71.2e-8Yes (not confirmed)5
90Thorium1e-7No (toxic)
92Uranium1.3e-71e-73.0e-9No (toxic)
62Samarium5.0e-8No
74Tungsten2.0e-8No6
4Beryllium5e-93.6e-84.5e-8No (toxic)2
88Radium1e-173e-141e-17%No (toxic)2
*Iron = ~3 g in men, ~2.3 g in women
The elements needed for life are relatively common in the Earth's crust, and conversely most of the common elements are necessary for life. An exception is aluminium, which is the third most common element in the Earth's crust (after oxygen and silicon), but seems to serve no function in living cells. Rather, it is harmful in large amounts.[citation needed] Transferrins can bind aluminium.[8]
Periodic table highlighting dietary elements[1]

[Stu]

Genesis is at least 70% wrong then, isn't it.

What is more, you have only given us one of the four ways that the bible says or implies that humans can be made.

Stuart

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,12:50)

Genesis is at least 70% wrong then, isn't it. What is more, you have only given us one of the four ways that the bible says or implies that humans can be made. Stuart

Stu

How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,18:25)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,12:50) Genesis is at least 70% wrong then, isn't it. What is more, you have only given us one of the four ways that the bible says or implies that humans can be made. Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body

I've never seen god breath.

Stuart

[charity]

Tis a hugh problem, humans read books in a matter of days containing years of observations; hence long periods of documentation. its become more an more obvious that the human mind is more often than not; Not compatible with reality an fact space an time; often leaving one with a false sensation of a super hero that would have taken Just as long as they also would have taken to actually! overwhelm the Brain in 4 to 5 Days.

To Many basic come easy reasons are ignored

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,13:33)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,18:25) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,12:50) Genesis is at least 70% wrong then, isn't it. What is more, you have only given us one of the four ways that the bible says or implies that humans can be made. Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body I've never seen god breath. Stuart

stu

that is not the right answer to my question

[terraricca]

Quote (charity @ Feb. 01 2013,15:57)

Tis a hugh problem, humans read books in a matter of days containing years of observations; hence long periods of documentation. its become more an more obvious that the human mind is more often than not; Not compatible with reality an fact space an time; often leaving one with a false sensation of a super hero that would have taken Just as long as they also would have taken to actually! overwhelm the Brain in 4 to 5 Days. To Many basic come easy reasons are ignored

if you do not understand the basics how will you understand what comes next

it may be difficult for some to understand the basics but think on the teacher that has to teach those people that do not understand those basics ,and believe that they know it all

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,12:23)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,18:25) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,12:50) Genesis is at least 70% wrong then, isn't it. What is more, you have only given us one of the four ways that the bible says or implies that humans can be made. Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body I've never seen god breath. Stuart stu that is not the right answer to my question

So are you saying that Genesis is wrong about the creation of Adam?

Stuart

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,10:05)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,12:23) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,18:25) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,12:50) Genesis is at least 70% wrong then, isn't it. What is more, you have only given us one of the four ways that the bible says or implies that humans can be made. Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body I've never seen god breath. Stuart stu that is not the right answer to my question So are you saying that Genesis is wrong about the creation of Adam? Stuart

Stu

How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body???

[kerwin]

Quote (david @ Jan. 31 2013,11:17)

“No.” But to point to the universe and say: “obviously designed” it seems to be argued that we would have to look at a lot of universes before can truly say that. Or, perhaps stu would say: if you are suggesting that complexity can only be the result of design, then who designed God?

David and all,

DNA is an artifact; as is any computer code.  

A robot factory that makes robots is fairly close to a hive with the “Queen robot” doing the reproduction.

Humans are basically self replicating robots.

[Stu]

Exactly. Robots are not self-replicating.

Stuart

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,15:19)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,10:05) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,12:23) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,18:25) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,12:50) Genesis is at least 70% wrong then, isn't it. What is more, you have only given us one of the four ways that the bible says or implies that humans can be made. Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body I've never seen god breath. Stuart stu that is not the right answer to my question So are you saying that Genesis is wrong about the creation of Adam? Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body???

What exactly do you mean by ingredients?

Stuart

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,18:12)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,15:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,10:05) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,12:23) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,18:25) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,12:50) Genesis is at least 70% wrong then, isn't it. What is more, you have only given us one of the four ways that the bible says or implies that humans can be made. Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body I've never seen god breath. Stuart stu that is not the right answer to my question So are you saying that Genesis is wrong about the creation of Adam? Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body??? What exactly do you mean by ingredients? Stuart

stu

I give you a full table what of the composition of men body ,

and they describe the elements that it contains ,so my question is how many elements of those that are describe are found on earth

[Stu]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,09:38)

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,18:12) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,15:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,10:05) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,12:23) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,18:25) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,12:50) Genesis is at least 70% wrong then, isn't it. What is more, you have only given us one of the four ways that the bible says or implies that humans can be made. Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body I've never seen god breath. Stuart stu that is not the right answer to my question So are you saying that Genesis is wrong about the creation of Adam? Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body??? What exactly do you mean by ingredients? Stuart stu I give you a full table what of  the composition of men body , and they describe the elements that it contains ,so my question is how many elements of those that are describe are found on earth

Well how could any of those elements exist in humans but not be found on earth, since that is where you find humans?

Stuart

[terraricca]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 03 2013,07:11)

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 03 2013,09:38) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,18:12) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,15:19) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,10:05) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 02 2013,12:23) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,13:33) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 01 2013,18:25) Quote (Stu @ Feb. 01 2013,12:50) Genesis is at least 70% wrong then, isn't it. What is more, you have only given us one of the four ways that the bible says or implies that humans can be made. Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body I've never seen god breath. Stuart stu that is not the right answer to my question So are you saying that Genesis is wrong about the creation of Adam? Stuart Stu How many of the ingredient are found on earth that composes the human body??? What exactly do you mean by ingredients? Stuart stu I give you a full table what of  the composition of men body , and they describe the elements that it contains ,so my question is how many elements of those that are describe are found on earth Well how could any of those elements exist in humans but not be found on earth, since that is where you find humans? Stuart

stu

Ge 2:19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air.

Ge 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground

so Geneses is a book of truth , look there is a difference between the creation of animals and man , can you see it

animals are formed ” OF THE GROUND ” while man as been formed out of “THE DUST OF THE GROUND ”  this is biology at his first ,

and science as proven that this is in deed the truth .

[kerwin]

Quote (Stu @ Feb. 02 2013,18:10)

Exactly.  Robots are not self-replicating. Stuart

Stu and all,

not yet.

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